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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:19:56 PM   
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This is going to be controversial, but it is my belief that after learning of an unplanned conception, a man should have the right to say he doesn't want a child. And if he informs the woman in time for her to make an informed decision, there should be a way for him to opt out. She then has the option of deciding to have the baby and keep it, have the baby and give it up for adoption or having an abortion. But the decision will have been informed.

I know people are going to disagree with me on that point but I won't be a hypocrite. If women have a choice, so do men. But if he says he'll be there and splits, even before the baby is born, he has child support to pay because he committed himself to this.

- LA[/font]


This is really a stupid comment.

Once a dude puts his cock in a woman's gash he has an idea that conception may occur...That kind of puts an end to your unplanned conception theory.

What we need is women have a permanent tattoo of a "father's rights" contract right above her ass....The contract reads....



I ____________________(Being of sound and probably intoxicated mind) have agreed to consentually bang CrabbyassDomme69. If somehow life develops inside of her festered hole.....


I choose to support our offspring by paying child support _______________________(initial here)


I choose to pay for half of the costs of an abortion _______________________________(initial here)


This would resolve many disputes.

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:21:04 PM   
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Oh I agree 100%. See the post above yours.
Nothing beats knowing who you are sleeping with.

LOL, proof that you type faster than I do.
I do agree with the theory, though.



I have freaked a guy once or twice in the past when early on in the relationship, I engage them in the "what happens if I get pregnant" conversation. I don't react well to the pill at all, and now at 37, it is not recommended anyway. I won't go into detail about my contraception routine, but I'm very well informed. It could happen and so I want to have an idea about what would go through his mind and also share what would go through mine. It ends up being a very healthy conversation.

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:23:55 PM   
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Exactly my point, it should be clarified.

I thought there was something more behind that.
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But I was alluding to control as a result of careless or simply recreational sex.

Not bad. The problem with the whole concept is.... how do you (general) know? Did the birth control pill/shot/whatever fail, or was she lying in the first place? Did he tell her that he was snipped/ unable to have kids, whatever, but lied?
For myself, the answer to the question of using abortion as birth control is "hell, no". I got pregnant at 16, and had an abortion. Unless one has a surgical addiction or similar issue, I can't understand why anyone want to go through that even once.
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I'm actually for freedom of choice, though I teach those I have been responisble for that I do not condone it for them, I discourage it and that life, in particularly innocent is precious.

I admire that you can be pro choice, even though it isn't something that you condone for you and yours.

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:24:24 PM   
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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:26:20 PM   
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Yeah Wyld heart it would never fly....and in addition I see another problem...and perhaps this has to do with the point LA made in her last post...morality.
When balanced against a mans, in the end need to submit to the decision of the woman on this,..it seems almost fair that he should have an opt out.....but,and for me this is a big but,his opt out comes with zero consequences.....The woman no matter what she would choose is going to be paying some consequences.
No in the end it took two to tango..society has not just a moral but as you pointed out a legal obligation to wherever possible or should I say whenever necessary compel those who would walk away to have to assume their legal obligations....Even if we come up short in ensuring that they live up to their moral obligations.


That is a very good point Mike and I would push it one step further and say that there is a balance is this paternalistic mentality in society that men need to take charge, man-up if you wish, and support a child they didn't want. While I realise that it is the way our society is set up, I don't find it is healthy for anyone.

There is no easy solution and what I proposed I know is far fetched, but I went to the extreme only to show that if a women has the right to opt out, so should a man. Fair is fair. The reality however is that life is not fair.

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:28:43 PM   
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Just in case you were wondering....I always do well in extra credit essay questions....so I'm thinking,if it ever came to it,I could knock that conversation out of the park ;-)


Boy do I like over achieving boys! ;-)

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:29:24 PM   
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There is no easy solution and what I proposed I know is far fetched, but I went to the extreme only to show that if a women has the right to opt out, so should a man. Fair is fair. The reality however is that life is not fair.

Since we're going there....
What happens if she wants to opt out and he doesn't?
*ducks*


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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:29:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Part of the problem with American Culture is we've fostered a culture of ignorance. Very few organizations out there take the responsibility of finding out and delivering anything but the facts that support thier particular point of view.
Our Society is not well enough informed on any matter to make an informed decision on jack.
This is not to say that individuals can not take the time to understand the 2nd and 3rd tier effects of thier decisions, many do, the problem is, is that we are discouraged from being informed.

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:30:44 PM   
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Just in case you were wondering....I always do well in extra credit essay questions....so I'm thinking,if it ever came to it,I could knock that conversation out of the park ;-)

Such a shame that you're s and not D 

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:32:54 PM   
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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:34:34 PM   
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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:34:46 PM   
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For myself, the answer to the question of using abortion as birth control is "hell, no". I got pregnant at 16, and had an abortion. Unless one has a surgical addiction or similar issue, I can't understand why anyone want to go through that even once.


Indeed. Not a pleasant experience at all.

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:35:51 PM   
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There is no easy solution and what I proposed I know is far fetched, but I went to the extreme only to show that if a women has the right to opt out, so should a man. Fair is fair. The reality however is that life is not fair.

Since we're going there....
What happens if she wants to opt out and he doesn't?
*ducks*


Well there have been court cases like this hasn't there been... ultimately, it's her body. But at the risk of sounding like a broken record, this once again illustrates why it's important to know who you are having sex with and communicating openly about the risks involved.

I'm not a prude but I don't let just anyone have access to my body. I need to know the person, I need to understand how they work, how they tick, how they feel and so many other things.

There has been some exceptions in the past. I highly doubt there will be many if any in the future.

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:36:57 PM   
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LOL, I'm flame retardent ;)
Wouldn't have posted if I didn't have a thick skin regarding my opinions


And he's a D WyldHrt... not a bad looking D neither ;-)

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:37:01 PM   
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Yeah Wyld heart it would never fly....and in addition I see another problem...and perhaps this has to do with the point LA made in her last post...morality.
When balanced against a mans, in the end need to submit to the decision of the woman on this,..it seems almost fair that he should have an opt out.....but,and for me this is a big but,his opt out comes with zero consequences.....The woman no matter what she would choose is going to be paying some consequences.
No in the end it took two to tango..society has not just a moral but as you pointed out a legal obligation to wherever possible or should I say whenever necessary compel those who would walk away to have to assume their legal obligations....Even if we come up short in ensuring that they live up to their moral obligations.


That is a very good point Mike and I would push it one step further and say that there is a balance is this paternalistic mentality in society that men need to take charge, man-up if you wish, and support a child they didn't want. While I realise that it is the way our society is set up, I don't find it is healthy for anyone.

There is no easy solution and what I proposed I know is far fetched, but I went to the extreme only to show that if a women has the right to opt out, so should a man. Fair is fair. The reality however is that life is not fair.

- LA
Life is not fair...truer words were never spoken.And we walk a fine line when we encourage those that have no business being parents....to actually be parents.The ability to concieve a child is in no way indicative of the ability to parent a child....for myself I would be very hesitant in asking for anything beyond material suport from someone who shows no inclination to want to be a parent when presented with that eventuality.Compelling men(or woman for that matter) to "man up" and accept their responsibilities should be a financial argument alone.Any farther an you run the risk that the child pays for that compelling....and pays for years.

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:38:12 PM   
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LOL, I'm flame retardent ;)
Wouldn't have posted if I didn't have a thick skin regarding my opinions

Coolios- Welcome to the fray, then!


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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:41:36 PM   
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There is no easy solution and what I proposed I know is far fetched, but I went to the extreme only to show that if a women has the right to opt out, so should a man. Fair is fair. The reality however is that life is not fair.

Since we're going there....
What happens if she wants to opt out and he doesn't?
*ducks*

Now you went and done it.....can you say clusterfuck...but actually this is one of the rationals for LA's opt out option for men....in too many cases the man is ,and in the end rightfully so,completely out of the loop decision wise...and yet held legally and morally equally responsible at least in a materialistic sense...a conundrum for sure.

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:46:55 PM   
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And he's a D WyldHrt... not a bad looking D neither ;-)

Like I didn't check his profile, LA.... he's taken




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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:50:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is always a choice. That is what we fail to understand. Regardless of the legality of the options.
More often than not, we hear "don't do it, period". We are not told why we shouldn't. We are not allowed to take the time to consider the effects of those decisions over the term of our lives.
"It feels good" is not adequate justification for irresponsible behavior.
"I didn't know" is a shitty excuse for ignorance.

I am personally Pro Choice for the simple reason that most who would choose that option, do not need to be contributing to the gene pool.
Thier decision making process is usually faulty, and thier attitude regarding the value of life is not one I would like to see fostered in a child.

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:52:34 PM   
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There is always a choice. That is what we fail to understand. Regardless of the legality of the options.
More often than not, we hear "don't do it, period". We are not told why we shouldn't. We are not allowed to take the time to consider the effects of those decisions over the term of our lives.
"It feels good" is not adequate justification for irresponsible behavior.
"I didn't know" is a shitty excuse for ignorance.

I am personally Pro Choice for the simple reason that most who would choose that option, do not need to be contributing to the gene pool.
Thier decision making process is usually faulty, and thier attitude regarding the value of life is not one I would like to see fostered in a child.
Oh shit.....being flame retardent is going to come in handy.....good luck with that.

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