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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:54:51 PM   
LadyAngelika


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And he's a D WyldHrt... not a bad looking D neither ;-)

Like I didn't check his profile, LA.... he's taken





I checked and when I saw D, well yanno... I'm kinda partial to the s-types myself.

Oh and to goldenwyrm1968, welcome to the board :-) I'm sure you'll have many women perving your profile ;-)

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:55:14 PM   
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Now you went and done it.....can you say clusterfuck...but actually this is one of the rationals for LA's opt out option for men....in too many cases the man is ,and in the end rightfully so,completely out of the loop decision wise...and yet held legally and morally equally responsible at least in a materialistic sense...a conundrum for sure.

Honestly Mike, until they figure out a way for guys to become pregnant accidentally, equality in the issue (in the sense of complete fairness) isn't possible.


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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:55:21 PM   
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There is always a choice. That is what we fail to understand. Regardless of the legality of the options.
More often than not, we hear "don't do it, period". We are not told why we shouldn't. We are not allowed to take the time to consider the effects of those decisions over the term of our lives.
"It feels good" is not adequate justification for irresponsible behavior.
"I didn't know" is a shitty excuse for ignorance.

I am personally Pro Choice for the simple reason that most who would choose that option, do not need to be contributing to the gene pool.
Thier decision making process is usually faulty, and thier attitude regarding the value of life is not one I would like to see fostered in a child.
Oh shit.....being flame retardent is going to come in handy.....good luck with that.



I wasn't all inclusive on that for a reason. but did I open a can of worms???

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:57:56 PM   
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I wasn't all inclusive on that for a reason. but did I open a can of worms???

Yep, but Ima give you a newbie pass just this once.


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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:58:20 PM   
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There is always a choice. That is what we fail to understand. Regardless of the legality of the options.
More often than not, we hear "don't do it, period". We are not told why we shouldn't. We are not allowed to take the time to consider the effects of those decisions over the term of our lives.
"It feels good" is not adequate justification for irresponsible behavior.
"I didn't know" is a shitty excuse for ignorance.


I agree with this part of your post. You might want to go back on page 3 or 4 when we talk about how accidents can happen even with all the precautions in place.

I'm in absolute disagreement with the second portion of your post. Planning parenthood is a very intelligent decision. Having a kid out of obligation is not.

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 9:58:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


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And he's a D WyldHrt... not a bad looking D neither ;-)

Like I didn't check his profile, LA.... he's taken





I checked and when I saw D, well yanno... I'm kinda partial to the s-types myself.

Oh and to goldenwyrm1968, welcome to the board :-) I'm sure you'll have many women perving your profile ;-)

- LA



Really? Are the choices of Online Doms that bad?

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 10:01:14 PM   
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Really? Are the choices of Online Doms that bad?


Nah, you just have a pretty face. Too bad the reasoning in that nogging is a little out of whack ;-)

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 10:02:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Such a nasty topic. I used to be hardcore pro-life but as I grow older and less idealistic I've come to realize there are a lot of people who should not be parents.

I think that a good point was made earlier, in that people are upset that their taxes will pay for a $500 abortion, but not that their taxes will cover the cost of childbirth as well as 70-odd years of this new person's medical treatment.

That being said, I think the abortion clause should be taken out of this healthcare bill. Seriously. Not because I don't think it should be a part of the plan but because it's such a hot topic issue that it's going to distract from any other debatable issues on this bill. Scrap it. Make a good, solid, healthcare bill. Put a clause about procedures deemed medically necessary by a physician to cover the if-I-don't-abort-I'll-die issues (which btw 'abortions' like that are usually covered in most insurance plans anyway and they take place in a hospital not an abortion clinic) but seriously, this is stupid bickering about something that can be fixed later.

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 10:03:22 PM   
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Really? Are the choices of Online Doms that bad?

Nope, you're just the shiny new toy


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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 10:03:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don't sweat it pal...the ones that actually check out your forum posts will think twice after that last "gene pool" comment.Plenty of quality woman have found themselves forced to make tough decisions...whichever way they decided to go,I'm thinking they won't be too appreciative of your views on this.Way to close to the bone...way to close.

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 10:04:49 PM   
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Really? Are the choices of Online Doms that bad?


Nah, you just have a pretty face. Too bad the reasoning in that nogging is a little out of whack ;-)

- LA
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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 10:05:14 PM   
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Don't sweat it pal...the ones that actually check out your forum posts will think twice after that last "gene pool" comment.Plenty of quality woman have found themselves forced to make tough decisions...whichever way they decided to go,I'm thinking they won't be too appreciative of your views on this.Way to close to the bone...way to close.


Smart, smart man.

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 10:06:16 PM   
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Really? Are the choices of Online Doms that bad?


Nah, you just have a pretty face. Too bad the reasoning in that nogging is a little out of whack ;-)

- LA
My laptop just got all wet....


Dare I ask.... with what?

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 10:07:31 PM   
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Such a nasty topic. I used to be hardcore pro-life but as I grow older and less idealistic I've come to realize there are a lot of people who should not be parents.

I think that a good point was made earlier, in that people are upset that their taxes will pay for a $500 abortion, but not that their taxes will cover the cost of childbirth as well as 70-odd years of this new person's medical treatment.

That being said, I think the abortion clause should be taken out of this healthcare bill. Seriously. Not because I don't think it should be a part of the plan but because it's such a hot topic issue that it's going to distract from any other debatable issues on this bill. Scrap it. Make a good, solid, healthcare bill. Put a clause about procedures deemed medically necessary by a physician to cover the if-I-don't-abort-I'll-die issues (which btw 'abortions' like that are usually covered in most insurance plans anyway and they take place in a hospital not an abortion clinic) but seriously, this is stupid bickering about something that can be fixed later.
Or,and this is just me spitballin here...the forces of ignorance and control would use the victory in excluding choice to renew their attack on a womans right to choose...Do you care to take that chance?
LA you have cmail....

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 10:08:49 PM   
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this is stupid bickering about something that can be fixed later.


But it won't be revisited later. That is the problem.

It affects mainly women so it will takes years before it gets tabled again.

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 10:10:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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Really? Are the choices of Online Doms that bad?


Nah, you just have a pretty face. Too bad the reasoning in that nogging is a little out of whack ;-)

- LA
My laptop just got all wet....


Dare I ask.... with what?

- LA
Lady Angelika...i'm shocked,get your mind out of the gutter...Jacks and Coke...and its all your fault(though the other thing would have been your fault too...lol)

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 10:16:35 PM   
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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 10:18:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Informed and Planned Parenting starts when you make the choice to participate in a behavior with the potential to result in pregnancy.
Nothing in life is guaranteed, even contraception. ;) Hell, Mary never had sex and still got knocked up....
That being said. I have five Children. My oldest was born 5 days prior to my 30th B-Day. Three of them are mine biologically, I pay child support to insure they are taken care of. I work a job that provides them medical coverage. I do my best to set them up with resources to prepare them for college.

I made the decision before I ever stuck my cock in a woman's Vagina, that I would be there to support that child to the best of my ability until the day I die.
Did I use contraceptives, yes. Did I have sex with women who used contraceptives, yes. But I was prepared to accept my responsibilities should my precautions be inadequate.

This is where we fail the most. Because your actions were done for recreational reasons, are you absolved from your responsibilities to the effects of your behavior?

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 10:19:17 PM   
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this is stupid bickering about something that can be fixed later.


But it won't be revisited later. That is the problem.

It affects mainly women so it will takes years before it gets tabled again.

- LA


I get what you're saying, and I agree that it'll probably take at least 5-10 years for it to be brought up again, but to me it's worth it to focus on making a better healthcare bill. A NHS bill is something that should have been implemented 10 years ago.

Personally I don't feel that entirely elective abortions should be government funded. Nor do I believe elective cosmetic surgery or medicines like Viagra should be. Private insurance is a business, and they can do what they want, but public healthcare is for the public health, not for the public's lifestyle choices.

Strangely I do think birth control should be on there, although it is entirely elective, and I realize that's illogical, but so it goes.

But anyway, there is a difference between abortion as a choice and abortion as a medically necessary procedure. I do think it is sad that the women who can't afford an abortion are often the ones who need one most, but I don't know if the best solution is to make it part of healthcare. "Being too poor to raise a child" is not a medical condition.

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RE: Women's Rights! - 3/18/2010 10:21:14 PM   
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Or,and this is just me spitballin here...the forces of ignorance and control would use the victory in excluding choice to renew their attack on a womans right to choose...Do you care to take that chance?



I would rather take the risk that people who are anti-abortion anyway will stay that way, than take the risk that a politically explosive (and not medically necessary) argument like this one will stall a bill that NEEDS to be passed, and that the spectacle of debate will take away from the rest of the bill that will deal with medical emergencies.

ETA: one thing I want to make clear - this is a national healthcare bill, not a pro-choice or pro-life bill. If this is the issue that stuffs it up I'd say the politicos on both sides are being selfish prats who put their pet causes ahead of this nation's wellbeing.

But, the side that is pushing pro-life is also the side that tends to be anti-NHS to start with. I roll my eyes at the political posturing but at the same time I implore the other side to go public and say fine. No elective abortions. This is about the health of our citizens, not about their right to do what they want with their body. That's a different fight, save it for that one until after this one is won.

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