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Elisabella -> RE: Women's Rights! (3/19/2010 6:27:58 PM)
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
If some people (not "most", as you erroneously wrote) have an issue with it, that's their problem. Others have an issue with having to pay into the pool to give men vasectomies, because they're not men. Others don't like to provide health coverage for people who catch the pox because they screwed the wrong person. Yet again, some individuals believe that if you catch cancer, it's karmic retribution, and you should fork out forthe chemo and radiotherapy out of pocket [8|] .
You're right, I wrote that wrong. What I meant to say was that most people who have an issue with it, have an issue with elective abortion, not with aborting when the fetus will endanger the mother's life or health.
I really don't care about the *reasons* why a woman gets pregnant or gets cancer, it's irrelevant to whether or not treatment is medically necessary, and making it into a moral issue completely overrides the real point which is: this is a healthcare bill, not a generalized social welfare bill.
I have no problem with government providing assistance for abortions but please fucking do it right. Give funding to clinics who use a specific sliding scale of fees that ends in zero cost for a certain income bracket. Don't try to slip it into a healthcare bill. Same with things like methadone clinics or vasectomies or even birth control - the fact that these things aren't available to everyone is a problem, but there are better ways to fix it than this.
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In the end, it doesn't matter what you think:it remains between the patient and her doctor. Because of this, it's a health issue.
Pregnancy is a health issue, the decision to terminate is a social issue. And as I said above, if the only requirement for federal funding is that there's a doctor involved and that it's legal, that covers a whole range of procedures.
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I'm so sick and tired of people like you trying to infringe on other people's rights just to push their politics upon everyone else... leave us aborting bitches alone :-) .
What rights am I infringing on? Not the right to terminate, not even the not-yet-a-right to have government pay for abortion. I'm just saying keep it out of a general public healthcare bill and deal with it like any other social welfare issue.
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PS: and don't forget this... it's not because a pregnancy is 'healthy' that the woman is going to be okay. Childbirth is one of the most dangerous thing any human being can do.
This is very true, but I think it's reaching. Driving a car is even more dangerous, but you're not going to have healthcare pay for airbags.
Oh and this:
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Tell me... was it Jesus that told you to be so judgemental?
Have you read the Bible? LOL
“Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” John 7:24
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’[a] 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it. Matthew 10:34-39
"Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"" Matthew 23:33 in the middle of a huge passage about how awful the Phairisees were.
And there's quite a bit more beyond the direct quotes but the gist is - revere that which is holy and destroy that which is sinful. "Judge not, lest ye be judged" is a command against hypocrisy, not a command for tolerance.
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