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housesub4you -> Navy Seals trial (3/20/2010 3:51:46 PM)

Well, it seems the Navy Seals who are being charged for hurting a prisoner are going to have the trail in Iraq.  The injuries where a fat lip and bruises from  allegedly  being pushed down.  The charges have been dropped against all but 1 Seal, and if they are convicted it will be a dishonorable discharge and prison time. 

This story is close to me because I have a relative who is a Navy Seal.  The person who was captured if you are not aware was the master mind behind the 4 contractors who where kidnapped, killed burned and one of the bodies was hung from a bridge and pulled apart.

Things have changed in war, now when units go out, there is an observer who watches and if they feel the US units did anything wrong they can have charges filed against people in the unit.  To bad the same does not apply to the people trying to kill everyone.

and people wonder why no one wants to join the military anymore

http://blog.taragana.com/politics/2010/01/11/judge-moves-military-trial-of-navy-seal-accused-of-mistreating-detainee-to-us-base-in-iraq-12560/





popeye1250 -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/20/2010 6:05:26 PM)

Boy, what a bunch of crap!




Aneirin -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/20/2010 6:58:15 PM)

Perhaps the sue menatlity has finally infiltrated the the miliatry and affects the soldier engaged in the act of war. The soldier loses every time, but a lawyer somewhere makes money to add to their stack.




servantforuse -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/20/2010 7:31:31 PM)

All they had to do was read him his Miranda rights and everything would have been ok. What happened to the good old days when Bush / Cheney were running the war ?




LadyEllen -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/21/2010 7:42:38 AM)

To be clear, the courts martial here are about the concealment of an incident of violence against a prisoner rather than the incident of violence itself according to the link.

The violence itself (a punch) may be permissible (if during the course of capture) or unlawful (if after the capture, mitigating factors notwithstanding).

It is vital we deal with this according to law and due process, however much it stinks. The damage already done to public relations through previous and more serious incidents of abuse of prisoners means that justice must be seen to be done. The danger is that public relations may here take unwarranted precedence over justice.

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Sanity -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/21/2010 7:57:23 AM)


I can't imagine why the SEALS or anyone else in the front lines of the military would opt for reenlistment right now, with the way things are in Washington. Or the FBI or the CIA, anything of the sort.

I know I wouldn't.


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Boy, what a bunch of crap!




MilesNY -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/21/2010 8:11:02 AM)

I will reenlist when my time comes, I am loyal to the people I serve with, the troops out there on the front lines and to the american public who holds the power with their vote. My job is bringing the wounded warrior back home for medical treatment, if I opted to get out that leaves my unit down a person and that can have effects way beyond that. I am not willing to do that. I will do my job as I am trained to do my job and hold faith in my superiors that they will do their part and leads us correctly. Politics happen everywhere but we can not let it control us.




Sanity -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/21/2010 8:14:20 AM)


True, for a medic the politics wouldn't be such a big deal. Odds are the Dems won't ever try to make a scape goat out of you.




slvemike4u -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/21/2010 9:10:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


I can't imagine why the SEALS or anyone else in the front lines of the military would opt for reenlistment right now, with the way things are in Washington. Or the FBI or the CIA, anything of the sort.

I know I wouldn't.


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Boy, what a bunch of crap!

Right  you are Sanity,as long as their is a no good Democrat sitting in the Oval Ofiice rejecting everything else you believe in...is well duh a no brainer!
What a fucking American you are [8|]
edited due to a missing "j"




Sanity -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/21/2010 9:23:46 AM)


Whats antiAmerican are these Democrat witch hunts against our elite forces who are trying to fight a war.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Right  you are Sanity,as long as their is a no good Democrat sitting in the Oval Ofiice reecting everything else you believe in...is well duh a no brainer!
What a fucking American you are [8|]




TheHeretic -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/21/2010 9:31:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen



It is vital we deal with this according to law and due process, however much it stinks. The damage already done to public relations through previous and more serious incidents of abuse of prisoners means that justice must be seen to be done. The danger is that public relations may here take unwarranted precedence over justice.





I'm with her.




popeye1250 -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/21/2010 9:32:21 AM)

"It takes a Carter to get a Reagan!"

When the president doesn't back the Troops 100%.....
It looks like we're going to have three Duds in a row, Clinton, Bush and now Obama. Isn't that unprecedented?




Sanity -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/21/2010 9:39:47 AM)


Maybe we can send ballet performers in, the next time we're in dire need of a few heroes. Granted, it would take a lot more of them to get a dirty job done, but I doubt they'd be accused of being too mean to any terrorists they did manage to capture...

Or perhaps we could raise an army of eunuchs.


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

"It takes a Carter to get a Reagan!"

When the president doesn't back the Troops 100%.....
It looks like we're going to have three Duds in a row, Clinton, Bush and now Obama. Isn't that unprecedented?




slvemike4u -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/21/2010 9:44:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Whats antiAmerican are these Democrat witch hunts against our elite forces who are trying to fight a war.

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Right  you are Sanity,as long as their is a no good Democrat sitting in the Oval Ofiice reecting everything else you believe in...is well duh a no brainer!
What a fucking American you are [8|]

Sure Sanity,but just for a moment lets focus on your prposed reaction to that problem.......as I said previously that would amount to turning your back on everything you supposedely believe in....I will repeat ,what a fucking American you are!




Sanity -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/21/2010 9:46:08 AM)


Your infatuation with me is flattering mike, but I don't swing that way, if you know what I mean.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Sure Sanity,but just for a moment lets focus on your prposed reaction to that problem.......as I said previously that would amount to turning your back on everything you supposedely believe in....I will repeat ,what a fucking American you are!




slvemike4u -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/21/2010 9:51:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Your infatuation with me is flattering mike, but I don't swing that way, if you know what I mean.

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Sure Sanity,but just for a moment lets focus on your prposed reaction to that problem.......as I said previously that would amount to turning your back on everything you supposedely believe in....I will repeat ,what a fucking American you are!

And your spin and deflection is a finely honed tactic....but it does not impress nor does it actually work.My "infatuation"with you is nothing more than the natural enjoyment a man with just a little integrity feels when he gets the chance to expose a hypocritical,lying and duplicitous poster for what he is.
How do you sleep at night?(I'm thinking upside down ,hanging from a rafter




Sanity -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/21/2010 9:57:11 AM)


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quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
And your spin and deflection is a finely honed tactic....but it does not impress nor does it actually work.My "infatuation"with you is nothing more than the natural enjoyment a man with just a little integrity feels when he gets the chance to expose a hypocritical,lying and duplicitous poster for what he is.
How do you sleep at night?(I'm thinking upside down ,hanging from a rafter




slvemike4u -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/21/2010 10:01:01 AM)

That's a great idea ...I suggest you use it,simply hold the can 6 to 8 inches from your face and spray directly in to eyes.Let us know how things turn out.




Sanity -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/21/2010 10:57:42 AM)


Part of the problem with this administration prosecuting our soldiers who are perceived to have been a bit too rough on captured terrorists is the way Attorney General Eric Holder is way too cozy with some of the people who have been eagerly representing captured terrorists for free.

There seems to be a direct conflict of interest here.


quote:


Holder admits nine Obama Dept. of Justice officials worked for terrorist detainees, offers no details


Attorney General Eric Holder says nine Obama appointees in the Justice Department have represented or advocated for terrorist detainees before joining the Justice Department. But he does not reveal any names beyond the two officials whose work has already been publicly reported. And all the lawyers, according to Holder, are eligible to work on general detainee matters, even if there are specific parts of some cases they cannot be involved in.

Holder's admission comes in the form of an answer to a question posed last November by Republican Sen. Charles Grassley. Noting that one Obama appointee, Principal Deputy Solicitor General Neal Katyal, formerly represented Osama bin Laden's driver, and another appointee, Jennifer Daskal, previously advocated for detainees at Human Rights Watch, Grassley asked Holder to give the Senate Judiciary Committee "the names of political appointees in your department who represent detainees or who work for organizations advocating on their behalf…the cases or projects that these appointees work with respect to detainee prior to joining the Justice Department…and the cases or projects relating to detainees that have worked on since joining the Justice Department."

In his response, Holder has given Grassley almost nothing. He says nine Obama political appointees at the Justice Department have advocated on behalf of detainees, but did not identify any of the nine other than the two, Katyal and Daskal, whose names Grassley already knew. "To the best of our knowledge," Holder writes,

during their employment prior to joining the government, only five of the lawyers who serve as political appointees in those components represented detainees, and four others either contributed to amicus briefs in detainee-related cases or were otherwise involved in advocacy on behalf of detainees.

Holder says other Obama appointees, like Holder himself, came from law firms which represented detainees but did no work on behalf of the terrorist prisoners. But other than Katyal and Daskal, Holder does not reveal any names of any Obama appointees, nor does he mention the cases they worked on.


Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Holder-admits-nine-Obama-Dept-of-Justice-officials-worked-for-terrorist-detainees-offers-no-details-84799487.html#ixzz0ippWuMau


quote:

Pay attention to Eric Holder’s law firm and Gitmo detainees

By Michelle Malkin  •  January 23, 2009 02:41 PM

A good friend writes:

[A]s nearly 100 of the remaining detainees are Yemenis, reflecting that country’s refusal to assure security for repatriated Yemenis, note that AG nominee Eric Holder is a senior partner with Covington & Burling, a prestigious Washington, D.C. law firm, which represents 17 Yemenis currently held at Gitmo. From the C & B website:
The firm represents 17 Yemeni nationals and one Pakistani citizen held at Guantánamo Bay. The Supreme Court will soon review the D.C. Circuit’s ruling that ordered the dismissal of a number of habeas petitions filed by Guantánamo detainees; some of our clients are petitioners in the Supreme Court case. We expect to play a substantial role in the briefing. We also plan to petition the Supreme Court to hear our Pakistani client’s appeal from the D.C. Circuit’s order dismissing his case. Further, we are pursuing relief in the D.C. Circuit under the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 for all of our clients. On a separate front, we filed amicus briefs and coordinated the amicus effort in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld in which the Supreme Court in the summer of 2006 invalidated President Bush’s military commissions and in which we have obtained favorable rulings that our clients have rights under the Fifth Amendment and the Geneva Conventions.
Covington & Burling’s Gitmo bar roster has included some of the most radical detainee advocates; see David Remes, who peeled down to his underwear at a press conference in Yemen to draw attention to his clients’ plight and Marc Falkoff, who published a book of detainee poetry and who, in the book’s intro, compared their heroic struggle to the Jews held in concentration camps and Japanese Americans held in internment camps during WWII. [One of Falkoff's "gentle, thoughtful" young poets--a Kuwaiti "cleared for release" and repatriated in 2005--blew himself up in a truck bomb in Mosul last March, killing 13 Iraqi army soldiers and wounding 42 others.]

The fact that Mr. Holder, while Deputy Attorney General, pushed for the release of 16 violent FALN terrorists against the advice of the FBI, the US Attorneys who prosecuted them and the NYPD officers who were maimed by them, suggests that he was perfectly willing to put politics before the national security interests of the country. He is not suited for the job of attorney general, which is central to the issues surrounding the disposition of war on terror detainees.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/01/23/pay-attention-to-eric-holders-law-firm-and-gitmo-detainees/?print=1





slvemike4u -> RE: Navy Seals trial (3/21/2010 11:19:22 AM)

So lawyers are to be judged by who they have defended in the past.But holding former White House Counsel who twisted ,distorted and outright lied in the effort to give legal cover to illegal action during the Bush Years is a political witch hunt?
Interesting ,though it all seems so conflicted !




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