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cuckyman -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 12:31:15 AM)

Where did I say that I did not want reform.... just NOT a government reform....we could start by tort reform, oh wait!...that's right!...the scumbag theiving lawyers are one of the demopuke's constituency!....can't stop all those ambulance chasing vampires springing from their leathered lurches to prey on emergency room doctors can we?




slvemike4u -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 12:33:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: countrychick


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ORIGINAL: cuckyman

Of course what he is not saying is the so called 'poor' people are in fact drug addicts in big eastern liberal cities that wouldn't go to health maintenance appointments if they were free.... they are more interested in robbing someone to get their next fix.... the liberal cities are such a wonderful example of the democrats 'great society' they envision..... crumbling filthy drug infested, crime infested shit  holes would  be the descriptions by most people..... and yet they want to tell the rest of us what to do..... what a joke....



So you mean to tell me is that you've met every single person in the USA living below the poverty line and can personally attest to them ALL being drug addicts out of "big eastern liberal cities"?? Come on now, even I know there are people living in poverty spread all across your country, I often see them when tornados hit and I've never heard of them hitting a "big eastern liberal city". There are people living in my country below the poverty line in small towns throughout Ontario for goodness sake.
Please dear Country Chick pay this man no mind...he is good for a few laughs....a diversion on a slow night...but to actually garner any actual information about the state of affairs down here....well to be honest with you I am the only voice you should be listening to,sure there are some other well meaning poster here....that Panda guy is a fine example,but in the end I am the only one with  the charm, wit and intelligence to shepard you thru this maze of confusion....trust me and I shall open all the doors of America for you......in a cyber laptop sort of way of course [:D]




cuckyman -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 12:36:34 AM)

Bum fuck florida?...really!  What hog waller do you live in?.....you might just take a look at our 'bum fuck' 
                                       www.sandestin.com
                                       www.seasidefl.com
                                       www.rosemarybeach.com
                                       www.destindirect.com
yeah, bum fuck....on a 62 foot Viking Sports fisherman heading out to the 'steps' to go after 300 pound yellowfin tuna.... laughing my ass off.....




countrychick -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 12:37:05 AM)

Well I do appreciate your guiding hand. ;) I don't mind though throwing serious arguments back at him, especially when he chooses to ignore them. Not sure though that I really want all the doors of America opened to me.. lol I like the health care I can get up here.. perhaps someday when I'm making serious money I'll consider it, for now, as a student, it is incredibly advantageous to be able to go for a yearly check up to a doctor for no cost.




slvemike4u -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 12:39:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cuckyman

Bum fuck florida?...really!  What hog waller do you live in?.....you might just take a look at our 'bum fuck' 
                                      www.sandestin.com
                                      www.seasidefl.com
                                      www.rosemarybeach.com
                                      www.destindirect.com
yeah, bum fuck....on a 62 foot Viking Sports fisherman heading out to the 'steps' to go after 300 pound yellowfin tuna.... laughing my ass off.....
Lets not argue about your little shit ass town in Florida...lets discuss this neighbor who travels to Rochester once a month for treatments all the way from there.




Kirata -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 12:39:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cuckyman

the 40mm Vulcans are mounted on "Spector" birds...(HC-130 Hercules gunships that fly out of Hulbert AFB, three miles from my home).... againk it would be helpful if you knew what the hell you talked about dummy....

The AC-130 has been through a number of armament configurations, designated "A", "E", "H", and "U". There were no 40mm cannon on the original "A" version. Beginning with the AC-130A "Surprise Package" configuration, the aircraft's armament has included the L60 Bofors 40mm cannon. It carries no Vulcans at all in its latest "U" configuration, and the M61 Vulcans in the earlier configurations were 20mm (not 40mm) cannon. Also, the aircraft is the Lockheed AC-130 "Spectre" (not "Spector").

Have a nice day.

K.




slvemike4u -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 12:43:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: countrychick

Well I do appreciate your guiding hand. ;) I don't mind though throwing serious arguments back at him, especially when he chooses to ignore them. Not sure though that I really want all the doors of America opened to me.. lol I like the health care I can get up here.. perhaps someday when I'm making serious money I'll consider it, for now, as a student, it is incredibly advantageous to be able to go for a yearly check up to a doctor for no cost.
Ahhh,I get the feeling you are taking my offer as one of a lecherous old man...nothing could be farther from the truth...I merely was hoping to help you avoid the serious consequences of getting your information from flawed sources...such as the aforementioned Panda guy...while well meaning he is not terribly bright(but keep that between us...he is so sensitve,I wouldn't want to hurt his feelings)no I merely meant to be a resource available to give you a true and intelligent picture of the goings on down here...nothing more than this.[:D]




countrychick -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 12:45:33 AM)

LOL no no most certainly I was not taking it that way.. but now that you mention it.... ;) kidding! No I really do appreciate the info everyone has given me, minus the cucky fellow's nonsense..




slvemike4u -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 12:49:51 AM)

Ahh I can't go to bed having done this....ThatDammedPanda is actually one of the smartest guys around here....and from my exposure to him...he actually seems like a nice guy...with a(I hope this part is true)great sense of humor.....so Panda I do hope you understnd I was just kidding....goodnight all.




cuckyman -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 12:55:16 AM)

All that and I bet you are not rated to fly....I am not Air Force... I am Army...and I perhaps thought that they were 40mm...and they are AC-130's and they originated at Hurlbert AFB in my hometown no less..... so you immediately went to some site and got the info.... so?  You still are a REMF I bet.....




cuckyman -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 12:57:26 AM)

Like I worry about what you think?.... if you are a liberal, then please do stay where ever it is you call home...we don't need more of those...we have enough retards....




mcbride -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 1:16:12 AM)


But, listen, cuckster, there i was boring you with actual data.  If you have any empirical evidence at all, any speck, any tiny glimmer of genuine numbers on all those phantom Canucks haunting border hospitals, anything that's a bit more solid than your cousin's wife's bowling partner's concerned premonition, by golly, you just speak right up, buddy.




rulemylife -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 1:31:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cuckyman

Bum fuck florida?...really!  What hog waller do you live in?.....you might just take a look at our 'bum fuck' 
                                      www.sandestin.com
                                      www.seasidefl.com
                                      www.rosemarybeach.com
                                      www.destindirect.com
yeah, bum fuck....on a 62 foot Viking Sports fisherman heading out to the 'steps' to go after 300 pound yellowfin tuna.... laughing my ass off.....


I'm laughing my ass off too.

It's amazing how you complain about socialism then post links to tightly regulated communities with homeowner's associations that are the epitome of socialism.




TreasureKY -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 2:29:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: soflamaster
....beacause if they are youn and healthy if they dont get the helathcare that was passed they can be fined $3,000


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

That is NOT true.  First off, it would be the parents that would be fined for not insuring their children.  Secondly it would be at the upper range a $695 fine.  The $2000 fine is for employers of a certain number of employees not offering or providing insurance.  *sheesh*


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

First year fine.. which doesnt start until 2013 or 14, under $100. Second, $750. I wish you would show me where you are getting this 3000 dollar price tag.


Well, I don't believe any one here has it quite correct...

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
SEC. 5000A. REQUIREMENT TO MAINTAIN MINIMUM ESSENTIAL COVERAGE
(a) REQUIREMENT TO MAINTAIN MINIMUM ESSENTIAL COVERAGE.—

An applicable individual shall for each month beginning after 2013 ensure that the individual, and any dependent of the individual who is an applicable individual, is covered under minimum essential coverage for such month.

(b) SHARED RESPONSIBILITY PAYMENT.—

    (1) IN GENERAL.—If an applicable individual fails to meet the requirement of subsection (a) for 1 or more months during any calendar year beginning after 2013, then, except as provided in subsection (d), there is hereby imposed a penalty with respect to the individual in the amount determined under subsection (c).

    (2) INCLUSION WITH RETURN.—Any penalty imposed by this section with respect to any month shall be included with a taxpayer’s return under chapter 1 for the taxable year which includes such month.

    (3) PAYMENT OF PENALTY.—If an individual with respect to whom a penalty is imposed by this section for any month—

         (A) is a dependent (as defined in section 152) of another taxpayer for the other taxpayer’s taxable year including such month, such other taxpayer shall be liable for such penalty, or

         (B) files a joint return for the taxable year including such month, such individual and the spouse of such individual shall be jointly liable for such penalty.

(c) AMOUNT OF PENALTY.—

    (1) IN GENERAL.—The penalty determined under this subsection for any month with respect to any individual is an amount equal to 1⁄12 of the applicable dollar amount for the calendar year.

    (2) DOLLAR LIMITATION.—The amount of the penalty imposed by this section on any taxpayer for any taxable year with respect to all individuals for whom the taxpayer is liable under subsection (b)(3) shall not exceed an amount equal to 300 percent the applicable dollar amount (determined without regard to paragraph (3)(C)) for the calendar year with or within which the taxable year ends.

    (3) APPLICABLE DOLLAR AMOUNT.—For purposes of paragraph (1)—

         (A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in subparagraphs (B) and (C), the applicable dollar amount is $750.

         (B) PHASE IN.—The applicable dollar amount is $95 for 2014 and $350 for 2015.

         (C) SPECIAL RULE FOR INDIVIDUALS UNDER AGE 18.—If an applicable individual has not attained the age of 18 as of the beginning of a month, the applicable dollar amount with respect to such individual for the month shall be equal to one-half of the applicable dollar amount for the calendar year in which the month occurs.

         (D) INDEXING OF AMOUNT.—In the case of any calendar year beginning after 2016, the applicable dollar amount shall be equal to $750, increased by an amount equal to—

              (i) $750, multiplied by

              (ii) the cost-of-living adjustment determined under section 1(f)(3) for the calendar year, determined by substituting ‘calendar year 2015’ for ‘calendar year 1992’ in subparagraph (B) thereof.  If the amount of any increase under clause (i) is not a multiple of $50, such increase shall be rounded to the next lowest multiple of $50.

What does this mean? 

Take an example family... husband, wife, and child (age 15)...

For every month they do not carry the approved minimum health insurance, the fine (paid when they file their tax return) would be...

For year 2014:         Husband     $7.92
                           Wife           $7.92
                           Daughter    $3.96
                           TOTAL     $19.80
           If they do not carry the required insurance for the entire year, the fine would total $237.60.

For year 2015:         Husband     $29.17
                            Wife           $29.17
                            Daughter    $14.58
                            TOTAL     $72.92
           If they do not carry the required insurance for the entire year, the fine would total $874.04.

For year 2016:         Husband     $62.50
                            Wife           $62.50
                            Daughter    $31.25
                            TOTAL     $156.25
           If they do not carry the required insurance for the entire year, the fine would total $1,875.00.

Please note that I've not calculated the cost of living increase in these examples. 

Regardless of the number of children, no family will pay more than three times the full adult fine amount, or $2250 per year (plus cost of living adjustment).

Of course, these figures are from the Senate version of the bill and it must still be reconciled with the House.  The House version proposed the fine be 2.5% of the modified adjusted gross income limited to the national average yearly premium.

What we will finally end up with has yet to be seen.
                          




tazzygirl -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 2:44:26 AM)

as i said, first year, under a 100. was off on the second. but was overshooting it.. better over than under.




tazzygirl -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 2:45:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cuckyman

Like I worry about what you think?.... if you are a liberal, then please do stay where ever it is you call home...we don't need more of those...we have enough retards....


sooooooooooo your hitting the retirement and medicare rolls in 2 years, no?




thishereboi -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 4:50:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

It would have been bipartisan if there were any republicans with a shred of honor or integrity. As for the democrats, many - maybe even most - of those who voted against it did so because it wasn't liberal enough, not because they're opposed to the basic principles. They just felt it didn't go far enough, not that it went too far. I can live with that.


So, the dems who voted no, did so because they opposed it's basic principles and it wasn't liberal enough. The repubs who voted no, did so because they lack honor and integrity.

Yea, that makes sense, and I am supposed to think you're a fair judge of things?




eyesopened -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 4:56:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
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ORIGINAL: countrychick
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ORIGINAL: cuckyman
Yes, if you are injured in say a car accident...the ambulance will take you to a hospital where you will be treated...period....the questions about insurance come later, and you will be billed.... but usually it is written off or just lumped into expenses that are charged to all other patients.... no one goes without treatment....we are not the Soviet Union yet...but the dems are working on it for sure....

wait wait wait.. so I get billed for the treatment?? How much does it cost?? How long will the debt collectors harass me before they write it off? How does it affect my credit?
Come on young lady surely you know the answers to those questions...it can screw up your credit rating just like any other unpaid debt.....but the secret to success down here is that most affected by these unpaid bills are so poor they don't have credit ratings anyway...so it's a win win for them.....of course up till now they also did not have access to preventive medical care....so the first and last time they see a doctor for any given problem is when it gets so bad they need an emergancy room...thereby being an unecessary drain on er's and trauma units all across the country.Now meanwhile everyone with insurance is paying higher and higher premiums...in part to feed the insrance companies insane desire for profits...and in part to cover the losses from er "deadbeats"...so all of the crying over paying for the uninsured is so much smoke and mirrors...we have been paying for them for years.The cuckies of the world don't want to hear that though...they like the status quo just fine.


Just to add a bit to this... If you do not pay your hospital bill, the hosptial can take your state tax refund, if any, for as long as it takes to pay the bill.  What the hospital says you owe is the "retail" value, not any discounted rate they may afford an insurance provider or Medicare or Medicaid allowed amounts.  In addition, the hospital also collects up to 75% of 'bad debt' from the Federal government.  So the government is already paying for healthcare but behind closed doors in and back alleys as it were.   Now as to your question as to how much does it cost?  There is no way for anyone to know that answer until you get your bill.  There is no price list of services. It's like ordering lobster in a fancy restaurant and the price is listed "Market Value".   Or in other words, if you have to ask the price, you can't afford it.   In order to avoid possible litigation, they may even order expensive test so they can argue legally that they 'did everything' they could.

Oh, and another thing.  The Mayo Clinic also has a facility in Jacksonville Florida.  And it would be wrong to judge all Floridians on the rantings of one....(words fail me) person.




Elisabella -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 6:06:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: countrychick


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ORIGINAL: cuckyman

Yes, if you are injured in say a car accident...the ambulance will take you to a hospital where you will be treated...period....the questions about insurance come later, and you will be billed.... but usually it is written off or just lumped into expenses that are charged to all other patients.... no one goes without treatment....we are not the Soviet Union yet...but the dems are working on it for sure....


wait wait wait.. so I get billed for the treatment?? How much does it cost?? How long will the debt collectors harass me before they write it off? How does it affect my credit?



Via your income tax, and if you don't pay, you have a chance of being arrested.

Oh wait, you were talking about the other sort of health care. [8D]

It truly amazes me that anyone thinks that national health care is "free health care" - everything in the world comes with a cost. I'd imagine the cost of national health care in the US is eventually going to be higher tax rates for everyone and a smaller "no-tax" bracket since a large chunk of taxes will be given directly back to every single American, as well as higher sales tax. To quote someone else, welcome to the civilized world, America - and the civilized world's tax brackets [;)]

That being said I also think that national healthcare is a requirement for any nation that considers itself modern, civilized and progressive...but people REALLY need to stop thinking of it as "free healthcare."




BoiJen -> RE: Health care passes (3/22/2010 6:09:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cuckyman

Where did I say that I did not want reform.... just NOT a government reform....we could start by tort reform, oh wait!...that's right!...the scumbag theiving lawyers are one of the demopuke's constituency!....can't stop all those ambulance chasing vampires springing from their leathered lurches to prey on emergency room doctors can we?


Please, mother fucker, tort reform is not what we need when doctors are willing to recommend to distressed patients that they need surgery that has a high rate of permanent debilitation like spinal fusions. Those doctors willing to sacrifice the long term health of their patients are numerous and need to be held accountable. I don't know many hospitals that would keep a surgeon around for costing them millions of dollars. And the patients who end up getting seriously hurt (some times permanently) deserve to have their needs around that injury (immediate and tertiary) met for the rest of their lives.

Shut the fuck up already.




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