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Aylee -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 2:30:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subtee But D/s is internal? Unless it's just kinky sex, I mean. [And I don't mean for everyone; standard disclaimers apply] Subtee, What I meant is that a person must have an internal desire to make lifestyle change successful. And it is not a secret that weight loss and keeping the weight off requires a lifestyle change. All of the external pressures in the world will not make this happen without an internal desire. An example. . . no matter how many 12-step meetings a soak attends, they are not going to stop drinking unless they really want to internally. No matter how many people are involved in a heroin users "intervention-come-to-jesus-metting" they are not going to stop snorting/shooting-up/smokig/whatever you do with heroin until they want to do so internally. All three of these things (weight, drinking, drugs) are lifestyle change issues. And without that personal internal desire to make them, the change is not going to happen. At least not in a long term sense. I hope that clarifies things a bit.

ShaharThorne -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 3:20:12 PM)
I am 283, gaining 20 pounds since 1-7, when I had to see the doctor about a case of pneumonia. I do resistance training at Curves, but I feel that it is too lite for me. I want an exerise bike for spinning, an stairmaster for hill climbing and free weights. I have been overweight since I was a teenager. The lower I have been was 135, when I was a rack of bones with a heavy top. I was in the military then so PT was daily or 3 times a week. I did weight training because it challenges my muscles. When I was down in Austin, I had trouble walking up a hill. I was not having trouble breathing, but I did have pain in my right hip joint. I take 2 or 3 Advils and kept going. I overdid myself. I used to lift 50 pounds of cowfeed when I had to feed the cows. Since we sold them off, that elimanite some lifting. I would love to be between 150 and 200 pounds, this way I can have a curvy figure. Be like Mae West (my idol). Now, these folks losing weight on The Biggest Loser are going at the in the wrong direction. When you starve a body and force it to work out, you can lose muscle mass as well. I betcha that these folks will regain all of their weight because they abused it. Meanwhile, I want my steak, I need my peanut butter, I deserve a honey bun about once or twice a week when I run out of my cereal. I can ration myself to fresher fruits and vegetables with no problem (but I like my squash to be steamed, not fried in oil). I got pecan halves that I can eat (no salt whatsoever). I like to have Ben and Jerry's since it is made with hormone-free milk. Braums carries the milk that is hormone free as well. Right now the doctor is treating the water gain with a pill. I drink plain water or Walmarts' Crystal Lite (either the cherry or grape). I walked about 2 miles today at a convention. I had a cherry slushie since there were no diet sodas around me. I feel tired but I need to stay up so I can sleep tonight. So what if someone considers me FAT...I don't have diabeties, yay me! So what if my size 24s are tight. So what if my feet are swollen and skin is taut. I am on meds that can cause weight gain. When it is not storming around here, I am walking the dog (poor blind soul). I have a friend who likes to feed me when I go down to Austin (as long as I buy the Ben and Jerry's ice cream). My heart is healthy, I can still do a judo kick. My hypothyroidism is under control. I take other meds to control my mental illness (and one makes my hair fall out according to the hair brush). As long as I am happy and healthy, I am free. Which reminds me...got to go pick up cans in a few minutes. A good 1.5 round trip. Maybe I will see some deer during my walk.

Musicmystery -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 3:35:15 PM)
quote: Why do we get all uppity? Because getting downity just sounds funny.

DarkVictory -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 3:50:42 PM)
No people, there are NOT other factors. It is quite simply a matter of physics. If you reduce your caloric intake, that's an absolute. If you increase your metabolic rate and caloric output, that's also an absolute. Under any set of conditions where outflow is larger than intake, fat loss will result. To believe otherwise is to believe in magic. Once that is understood, yes each person's individual 'formula' for weight loss and strengthening/exercise my differ based on things like medications, medical condition, metabolsim, etc. but the basic formula remains unaffected. To blame your bad knees or hyperthyroidism or diabetes for you being a fat fuck is a lie. You're a fat fuck cause you take in more calories than you put out. That's fucking physics, and you're not a special exception.

Lockit -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 4:56:04 PM)
DarkVictory, you are correct. Blaming hyperthyroidism for gaining weight is bull shit. It's hypothyroidism that causes the weight. And it has nothing to do with intake sometimes. It doesn't even have much to do with what I eat even. I don't eat. I get sick when I eat, so I make sure it is something decent and little of that. You are still trying to justify what you said, only I do thank you for saying it slightly nicer. You didn't call us fat names or anything. But frankly sir, while what you say is right in many cases, it is also wrong in many cases. (Oh, I take that back... you did.) And where is that apology for calling us names?

MsLadySue -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 5:05:25 PM)
It must be wonderful to see the world in black and white. Heaven forbid you should see some grey areas that might differ from your arrogant version of how everything in life works. I wonder if you are this outspoken only when sitting behind a computer? I would hope you'd be more thoughtful when voicing your opinions in person. Edited for spelling!

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 5:53:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkVictory No people, there are NOT other factors. It is quite simply a matter of physics. If you reduce your caloric intake, that's an absolute. If you increase your metabolic rate and caloric output, that's also an absolute. Under any set of conditions where outflow is larger than intake, fat loss will result. To believe otherwise is to believe in magic. Once that is understood, yes each person's individual 'formula' for weight loss and strengthening/exercise my differ based on things like medications, medical condition, metabolsim, etc. but the basic formula remains unaffected. To blame your bad knees or hyperthyroidism or diabetes for you being a fat fuck is a lie. You're a fat fuck cause you take in more calories than you put out. That's fucking physics, and you're not a special exception. i am a fat chick. have been for years. when i was a teen and wore a size 16 ya couldnt find them in stores, clothes stopped at 11 or so. now a size 16 is my goal. some days i do well at getting healthier, some days i dont. add in a move and the death of a friends baby and i have probably gained back 20 pounds of the 35 or so i had lost. i will get back on track soon hopefully. yes i use food as comfort more than i should. dunno why, found out my bio mom and 2 half sisters that i never knew until my late 20's did the same....genetics? maybe....who the hell knows. thing is, most, if not all of us have issues. i dont exercise enouigh, dont eat right as much as i should, and you can look at my fat ass and know this about me, and dont you feel special knowing my weakness is food. i can promise there are skinny folks who dont eat right, dont exercise enough, and are less healthy than i am overall. but they aint fat, so you would never know this about them. and then there are those whos issues show by the mean, i am smarter and better than you shit that they spew on a website. physics will help me lose my weight, according to your expertise. might i recommend you try a shrink to rid your self of the demons that make you so hostile....or try cramming a twinkie down ya throat or chocolate or something.... i can lose weight, by adopting a healthier lifestyle, physics and all that. id bet ya a hundred bucks i can be thin before you can be happy enough with your self to not feel the need to talk down to others whos issues show with their physical appearance, rather than their shitty attitude towards others that they do not understand...

DarkVictory -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 6:35:03 PM)
@JstAnotherSub - I'm a happy person, but I've no tolerance at all for people that pretend they don't have any ability to control their life, their weight, their emotions, etc.

Lockit -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 7:51:04 PM)
DV, Boy do I know what you mean! I can't tolerate people who run their mouth and call people names simply because they don't feel they should have to be a decent human being. Who give's a fuck what you can't tolerate big boy? Your name calling and ignorance of medical issues you fail to address properly while only blaming personal lacks, which are true in some cases, shows your ignorance. You don't have to like everything about people, but name calling is school yard bully and that would be a personal issue of your own. You aren't giving it to us straight... you're vomiting on people. I'd recommend pepto bismo or a ball gag.

ShaharThorne -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 8:21:50 PM)
I prefer duct tape a gag myself, Lockit...especially if they have a mousthae(?).

DarkVictory -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 8:30:23 PM)
Hmm, you sound fat. Are you?

Smutmonger -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 8:33:40 PM)
I posted a comment in my profile asking "Why is it that women who wiegh in excess of 400 pounds so often seem to call themselves "little"? I got three comments on it. Two were from thinner women who thought is was a silly thing to do. The one who was offended didn't have any weight listed. Probably because she wieghs more than I do, But is five feet tall-instead of six two. And never doubt that she was very very very submissive-since she felt this huge need to correct my thinking. >:))

MsLadySue -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 8:33:44 PM)
DarkVictory, it would appear you lack tolerance. Period!

Lockit -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 8:34:46 PM)
I told you my weight. I also told you my medical facts, when I gained the weight and what I ate. I weighed 107-112 a year and a half ago. Reading comprehension isn't one of your finer points. I am overweight with medical reason, not lacks in emotional balance or eating habits. I also told you of my back injury that keeps me from my physical routine I have had all my life. Now that explains my situation and issues. What explains your own?

DarkVictory -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 8:39:34 PM)
As I said before - its a matter of physics. If you reduce your caloric intake below your outflow, you will lose fat. It's thermodynamics. Go be pissed at physics or something. Find a new physical routine if your old one won't work. Walk if you can't run. If you can't walk, take a lard-cart over to the YMCA pool and do the fat girl swim thing, and if you can't do that, do the neutral buoyancy waddles. You can do something other than be helpless and powerless in the face of being a lard-ass.

WyldHrt -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 8:40:14 PM)
quote: I've no tolerance at all for people that pretend they don't have any ability to control their life, their weight, their emotions, etc. And I have no tolerance at all for assholes that feel the need to spew their bile on the forums. Guess we're both disappointed. [:D]

Lockit -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 8:45:57 PM)
DV, have you seen my medical records? No. I cannot walk far, I cannot move like people can normally without injuring myself. I do not eat! Read man... When I do eat it is small amounts of fish, cheese, crackers with the fish, veggies and I gained on those things. Your hard fast facts are not facts for everyone as there are medical conditions you clearly do not understand or make allowance for. You would rather insult and attack than to take into consideration you may not know what the hell you are talking about. Now... as for your lack of control. What medical foundation do you have for being so abusive in making a point? What is it that causes someone to need to use attack rather than just stating an opinion of things? I dare say I will lose my weight far before you have your little attitude problem taken care of. All I need is some thyroid medication I cannot get until I can afford a doctor. What you may need could take a bit longer to get.

RedMagic1 -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 8:57:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkVictory As I said before - its a matter of physics. If you reduce your caloric intake below your outflow, you will lose fat. It's thermodynamics. Go be pissed at physics or something. The laws of thermodynamics require you to consider the totality of a system in order to make a rigorous analysis. Looking at only one part of a system is, frankly, the trick of a pseudo-intellectual, and doesn't get the job done. You may know I read and commented on a blog that you and a woman you owned for a time co-authored, chronicling the beginning of her ownership by you. You may also recall that I spoke at length to her that your orders to her about her diet would cause weight gain and ill health, not weight loss. When it became clear to me that she was in such a mentally unhealthy space that she trusted your judgment in this, I decided to support her decision, because I cared about her, but I stopped following your blog, because I knew your relationship with her would not last, and the dramabomb was ticking. I've read the Body Sculpting Bible for Men. Have you? One piece of advice they give -- which I have followed -- is to throw the scale away. Ignore how much you weigh. The issue isn't weight, it's muscle instead of fat. It's inches, not pounds. Further, it is critical to eat enough calories each day, so the body doesn't go into starvation mode. You not only fail to understand this, you further have so little ability to command others that you type in a way that will cause nobody to think you're at all interesting. And, frankly, that's fine with me.

DarkVictory -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 9:00:54 PM)
@lockit - are you sure you couldn't get a crane to lower you into the pool and have a couple of people move your limbs around for you? It would probably help. I doubt its the veggies that are making you fat, unless you're eating celery sticks covered in butter and peanut butter and cookies. Lots of people are surprised at the fat and calorie content of their diet when a nutritionist helps them understand what the difference between a raw carrot and a carrot boiled in butter is. Hard and fast facts remain hard and fast facts. You can't argue your way out of gravity. You can't argue your calories out of a pile of cookies covered in cake frosting. Calories are not opinion. Calories are calories. If more go out than in, you lose weight/fat. If your exercise goes up, you gain in lean or dense muscle mass in proportion to white fats. Dude, that's just the way it is. The culture of fat indulgence in the US is horrible. It allows and encourages people to be helpless in the face of being a lard ass. I have nothing against you for being a lard ass. If I lived anywhere near you, I'd volunteer to come over and help get you to the pool. It's the helplessness that is revolting.

DarkVictory -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (3/27/2010 9:04:16 PM)
RedMagic - Turns out that she lost weight while she was with me, and gained it back after. Losing weight requires a fundamental change of habits and thinking, and the first habit to break is the habit of thinking that there's any one or anything responsible other than you.

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