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Aynne88 -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/2/2010 4:56:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aynne88 quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ [&o] I hate to be in disagreement with people I like. This past summer (my time frame may be off) she posted extensively on her desire to adopt a healthier lifestyle... . She used produce from her family's garden. She cut out most pre-prepared foods and asked people for recommendations for healthy recipes. It may not be "perfect" but it was a start. Most of us who struggle with weight issues, struggle with food issues as well. I know I don't do it perfectly and my guess is most of us with food issues don't do it perfectly either. So, perhaps asking her might be a better option than jumping to conclusions. This. The propensity of a few, to purposely jump on TFTB anytime the subject of weight comes up, is not flattering to the jumper at all. It makes them look like middle school bullies. Okay since I assume I was one of the "jumpers" I have to speak up. I am far from a middle school bully. I am 43 years old, I have my own health issues, and my Man has type 2 diabetes. If you took the time to read my posts, I, as well as Holly, have been more than fair to her. Not to drag Holly into this, but she did comment on my post to her in a positive way. I saw two different statments from her and I don't have the inclination to dig for the others, but the propensity of her posts are full of excuses why she can't lose weight and they go from one end of the spectrum to the other. I don't like being called a schoolyard bully, I am not one, I am just being fucking realistic. I can read and discern for myself, and I see people that never defend her suddenly because it is a fat thread all of a sudden being her knight in shining armor. Not realistic. Edited to add this was not meant to LaT, just a fast reply.

LaTigresse -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/2/2010 7:16:23 PM)
I could be fucking realistic also..........but what I would have to say would be unnecessary and cruel. However, I am a sadist........I enjoy being cruel. Please let me know when consent is given. Because, until then, I am going to be an adult and keep my opinions of some grown adults that do not always behave in the most admirable manner, to myself.

Aynne88 -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/2/2010 9:37:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I could be fucking realistic also..........but what I would have to say would be unnecessary and cruel. However, I am a sadist........I enjoy being cruel. Please let me know when consent is given. Because, until then, I am going to be an adult and keep my opinions of some grown adults that do not always behave in the most admirable manner, to myself. No that is not fair LaT. This is a forum and we all make opinions and statements here all the time to people's comments on here. I think consent is given when you make a post here. I am sorry if you found my comment not admirable, but I don't find it without consent, You have never been one to hold back on your opinion, and those are not with consent. Consent is given by mere virtue of posting.

Level -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/3/2010 3:08:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: had a fasting blood sugar of 339 Could you please explain the significance of this? I've never heard the term "fasting blood sugar" before much less any numbers associated with it. Glucose fasting blood sugar (FBS) is a test for diabetes mellitus. The fasting part means you don't eat or drink for 8-12 hours before the test. I believe 70-110 is the normal range, but I might be off on that. Pretty accurate, thb. Non-diabetic is 99 or under, pre-diabetic is 100 to 125, diabetic is 126 or higher. Change can happen rapidily, as I had a fasting reading of only 106 two years prior to the 339 one. [>:] Serious damage really begins to occur at 140 and higher, according to most sources that I follow.

jbcurious -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/3/2010 4:25:04 AM)
This is always a controversial issue because people who don't have a battle with weight can be so damn patronizing about it, myself included, before weight became an issue for me. I maintained a weight of 97 to 103 lbs until after my pregnancy, during I only gained 17 lbs. Pregnancy triggered something in my body and for years, regardless of diet and exercise I slowly gained weight. At one point I spent 6 months on 1000 calories a day, rode my bike 5 miles a day and spent 1.5 hours twice a day at the gym...the result after 6 months... a loss of 4 lbs. By age 37 my weight had reached 212 lbs. I had a full hysterectomy and suddenly began to see some results in weight loss and over the next 10 years my weight dropped to 168. It appears that this is where my body feels comfortable, because I haven't been able to lose any additional weight. My last physical the Doc said my health is that of someone 10 years younger, blood pressure ideal, heart, liver etc excellent, lung scan clear... in spite of the fact that I am over weight and smoke. He was a little shocked after having given me the standard lectures on my previous visit... At this stage there probably is a way for me to drop the next 30 lbs... but to be completly honest...I'm sick and tired of the effort and frustrated watching those around me who maintain an ideal weight with no effort (I know that many do put out effort, but there are many that don't) So at this stage I would need some loving support, and lot's and lot's of good sex before trying to tackle tge next 30 lbs.

sirsholly -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/3/2010 4:52:52 AM)
quote: Okay since I assume I was one of the "jumpers" I have to speak up. I am far from a middle school bully. I am 43 years old, I have my own health issues, and my Man has type 2 diabetes. If you took the time to read my posts, I, as well as Holly, have been more than fair to her. Not to drag Holly into this, but she did comment on my post to her in a positive way. I saw two different statments from her and I don't have the inclination to dig for the others, but the propensity of her posts are full of excuses why she can't lose weight and they go from one end of the spectrum to the other. I don't like being called a schoolyard bully, I am not one, I am just being fucking realistic. I can read and discern for myself, and I see people that never defend her suddenly because it is a fat thread all of a sudden being her knight in shining armor. Not realistic. I really see no bullying going on here. Aynne is the last person who fits that title, and my intention was certainly not to cause harm. I can only speak for myself and my response, but would have said the same thing to one who was not obese. When someone eats sparatically, then gorges enough to maintain their weight, it is Bulimia sans purging, more commonly known as binge eating. The behavior generally is an indication that the person has a lack on control over what they are doing. I am nearly certain i have discussed this with TFTB in c-mail also, so what i said was not new to her. Binge eating is brutal to the digestive tract. There is basically starvation followed by gorging, followed by starvation, followed by...you get the idea. The stomach, in starvation mode, will turn its acid onto itself, probably resulting in the thrill of a bleeding ulcer over time. I have a bleeder (nicknamed it TheLittleSquirt, and i would not wish an active GI bleed on my worst enemy). Nutrition is absorbed in the small intestine. There is no way in hell the small intestine can pull all the needed nutrients out if the food eaten after one has binged. No way, not happening, fergitit. So as a result there is generally a serious lack of the essential nutrients needed to be healthy. It is so hard to imagine that someone sitting there gorging on massive amounts of food is starving themselves by doing so, but that is exactly what is happening. The person who is binge eating can/might deny any serious health issues, and in all probability is telling the truth, because these issues do take a while to surface. When the binge eater is 30 yrs old, she will more than likely have the GI system of a 60 yr old. What she will have at 60 is anyones guess.

sunshinemiss -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/3/2010 6:00:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kiwisub12 Fat people can't hide their size, unlike drunks, druggies and smug people. Of course, prolonged exposure to drunks, druggies and smug people will usually show you the error of their ways - but fat is in your face. Which makes fat people an easy target. We all have something that is unattractive - some of us have somethings that are more obvious than others. sigh At least mine is able to be changed. Some peoples unattractive somethings can't be changed - ie addictions, personality traits. It is true that we all have something unattractive although that thing is different for different people. I generally find that the most obvious "unattractive" thing about a person is usually the most attractive and interesting. but I'm quirky like that. The thing is, it is like the last ok thing to taunt and hurt people about. It's against the law to act in a prejudicial manner to people based on other obvious things (race for example) but not this... although some places it is. Meh, I said my piece. Best, sunshine

Level -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/3/2010 7:02:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jbcurious This is always a controversial issue because people who don't have a battle with weight can be so damn patronizing about it, myself included, before weight became an issue for me. I maintained a weight of 97 to 103 lbs until after my pregnancy, during I only gained 17 lbs. Pregnancy triggered something in my body and for years, regardless of diet and exercise I slowly gained weight. At one point I spent 6 months on 1000 calories a day, rode my bike 5 miles a day and spent 1.5 hours twice a day at the gym...the result after 6 months... a loss of 4 lbs. By age 37 my weight had reached 212 lbs. I had a full hysterectomy and suddenly began to see some results in weight loss and over the next 10 years my weight dropped to 168. It appears that this is where my body feels comfortable, because I haven't been able to lose any additional weight. My last physical the Doc said my health is that of someone 10 years younger, blood pressure ideal, heart, liver etc excellent, lung scan clear... in spite of the fact that I am over weight and smoke. He was a little shocked after having given me the standard lectures on my previous visit... At this stage there probably is a way for me to drop the next 30 lbs... but to be completly honest...I'm sick and tired of the effort and frustrated watching those around me who maintain an ideal weight with no effort (I know that many do put out effort, but there are many that don't) So at this stage I would need some loving support, and lot's and lot's of good sex before trying to tackle tge next 30 lbs. Yay for good sex! :) Women generally have it much tougher than men, when it comes to losing weight. I'm guessing it's hormonal, but no one seems to know for sure. ~~~ General statement: those who may be tempted to drastically lower their calories, beware. The body usually sees this as a sign of starvation, and will HOLD ON to its fat stores in response. I'd say a deranged insulin response is the prime culprit in overweight, followed by hormones, and thyroid. And yes, overeating garbage is a big factor for many.

sirsholly -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/3/2010 7:07:23 AM)
quote: I'd say a deranged insulin response is the prime culprit in overweight i agree, and yet the (simple) blood test for insulin resistance is rarely done on one who is overweight. This makes no sense at all.

Level -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/3/2010 7:13:10 AM)
Morning, holls. I agree, but I honestly think things are sloooooooowly changing. Just the fact that more and more mainstreamers are willing to look at it is an issue is an improvement.

sirsholly -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/3/2010 7:24:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Morning, holls. I agree, but I honestly think things are sloooooooowly changing. Just the fact that more and more mainstreamers are willing to look at it is an issue is an improvement. Hey Levelly-Poo! I think you are right...there is a change but DAMN...there is no reason for how long it has taken. Medical professionals still tend to immediately assume a weight issue is behavioral as opposed to physical, and perhaps it partly now is, as that is what the patient has been driven to. If you have Mr/MrsAverageJoe/Jane, who has struggled for years to lose weight and failed because of undiagnosed insulin resistance, of course behavior is now an issue. They are tired of swimming upstream and have given up on weight loss through proper eating habits. So...finally the tide is turning and it occurs to their PCP to run the blood test which will diagnose insulin resistance. Not only does the patient have that diagnosis to deal with, but also must work to change the ingrained behavior of poor eating habits.

sexyred1 -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/3/2010 7:35:40 AM)
I have not been around much lately and how gratifying it is to see the same old weight threads resurface like the lunar cycles.

Aynne88 -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/3/2010 8:26:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: Okay since I assume I was one of the "jumpers" I have to speak up. I am far from a middle school bully. I am 43 years old, I have my own health issues, and my Man has type 2 diabetes. If you took the time to read my posts, I, as well as Holly, have been more than fair to her. Not to drag Holly into this, but she did comment on my post to her in a positive way. I saw two different statments from her and I don't have the inclination to dig for the others, but the propensity of her posts are full of excuses why she can't lose weight and they go from one end of the spectrum to the other. I don't like being called a schoolyard bully, I am not one, I am just being fucking realistic. I can read and discern for myself, and I see people that never defend her suddenly because it is a fat thread all of a sudden being her knight in shining armor. Not realistic. I really see no bullying going on here. Aynne is the last person who fits that title, and my intention was certainly not to cause harm. I can only speak for myself and my response, but would have said the same thing to one who was not obese. When someone eats sparatically, then gorges enough to maintain their weight, it is Bulimia sans purging, more commonly known as binge eating. The behavior generally is an indication that the person has a lack on control over what they are doing. I am nearly certain i have discussed this with TFTB in c-mail also, so what i said was not new to her. Binge eating is brutal to the digestive tract. There is basically starvation followed by gorging, followed by starvation, followed by...you get the idea. The stomach, in starvation mode, will turn its acid onto itself, probably resulting in the thrill of a bleeding ulcer over time. I have a bleeder (nicknamed it TheLittleSquirt, and i would not wish an active GI bleed on my worst enemy). Nutrition is absorbed in the small intestine. There is no way in hell the small intestine can pull all the needed nutrients out if the food eaten after one has binged. No way, not happening, fergitit. So as a result there is generally a serious lack of the essential nutrients needed to be healthy. It is so hard to imagine that someone sitting there gorging on massive amounts of food is starving themselves by doing so, but that is exactly what is happening. The person who is binge eating can/might deny any serious health issues, and in all probability is telling the truth, because these issues do take a while to surface. When the binge eater is 30 yrs old, she will more than likely have the GI system of a 60 yr old. What she will have at 60 is anyones guess. Thank you Holly, you are too sweet. I have given TFTB health tips, recipes, etc., and participated positively in many of her health issue threads. You just reach a point ( hello...DollParts ) where you realize that no matter what you say they are not willing to change behaviors and that is just wasted breath. I than you for seeing that I am not a schoolyard bully. Far from it. You are far from it either. I wonder if we were significantly overweight and made the identical comments.......either way, much love for coming to my rescue.[:D]. I hope you are enjoying this beautiful day.

ShaharThorne -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/3/2010 9:47:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: I'd say a deranged insulin response is the prime culprit in overweight i agree, and yet the (simple) blood test for insulin resistance is rarely done on one who is overweight. This makes no sense at all. My doctor does a blood test on me every time I go in and see him. Last 2 times, my blood sugar has been in the 80s. Yes, I am morbidly obese but I do work out, I try to watch what I eat. I like vegetables (except peas) and when I get a carb craving I hit the baked potato. I do have osteopenia and I am taking calium for it. I deal with fibromyalgia every day. I deal with my bipolar every day. I deal with my hypothyroidism every day. The meds I take are known for making me fatter. We are trying to figure out why in the past 2 or 3 weeks, my legs, feet, hands and arms have swollen up. I am joking about it but what if it is CHF, a blood clot or lymphedema. I am living on the edge here and until we (doc and I) find out WTH is wrong with me, I will blissfully eat some chocolate truffles and watch Mom make up some fattening potato salad, pea salad and banana pudding. We have to go out later to get cool whip for the pudding.

angelikaJ -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/3/2010 9:55:01 AM)
Since my post is what began the lastest tangent I thought I might refer to it. "I hate to be in disagreement with people I like. This past summer (my time frame may be off) she posted extensively on her desire to adopt a healthier lifestyle... . She used produce from her family's garden. She cut out most pre-prepared foods and asked people for recommendations for healthy recipes. It may not be "perfect" but it was a start. Most of us who struggle with weight issues, struggle with food issues as well. I know I don't do it perfectly and my guess is most of us with food issues don't do it perfectly either. So, perhaps asking her might be a better option than jumping to conclusions." What I thought was unfair was bringing up posts from a couple of years ago and using them to comment on current behavior. I was not suggesting that currently things are going in any particular direction... I was suggesting that we might ask her before committing to an opinion. I addressed the fact that many people who struggle with weight struggle with a healthy relationship with food and that I am perfectly imperfect in that area. As Holly knows, some people are able to manage that much easier than other people and the whys of that are still not really understood. My post was certainly not intended as an attack on anyone...it was an expression of a frustration point for me that is related to my own odd relationship with food. If changing eating patterns were an easy thing then most people would not be overweight.

sunshinemiss -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/3/2010 5:37:31 PM)
I'm very busy...

lusciouslips19 -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/3/2010 6:29:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss I'm very busy... Alas though, it was a lie. Perhaps it was fat bottom boys for him??? [sm=dunno.gif]

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/3/2010 8:24:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ snip My post was certainly not intended as an attack on anyone...it was an expression of a frustration point for me that is related to my own odd relationship with food. If changing eating patterns were an easy thing then most people would not be overweight. what she said. yeah, im a fat chick, morbidly obese even. it is what it is..... folks who think fighting obesity is just a matter of putting the fork down, act as if someone would choose to be fat....theres so much more to it....is it a mental illness? possibly. more and more research is showing actual physical "deformities" ,meaning different from normal weight folks and thats the best word i can come up with at this hour...differences in chemistry and other big worded shit that you can google for if you need a link. point is, if i was on a thread about anything else this site caters too, and i did not approve of the people and what they "are" and i said something like "they choose to be gay so that gives me the right to put them down....cause fact is they could be normal like me if they really wanted to..... well, we know how that would go over. extreme example? i dont think so...just sometimes, even on a site like this, the mature and right thing to do is just to not type, rather than choosing to be hurtful or appearing...lemme repeat that... APPEARING...to feel somehow superior to the fat pigs....

redwoodgirl -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/3/2010 8:45:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HisSweetElysium Jeff I loooove your new picture! wow i love yours! (off to perv thr pro.... file that is :D )

ResidentSadist -> RE: Why do we get all uppity about Weight based Threads? (4/4/2010 1:03:21 AM)
OP posted 10 days ago, 340 replies so far......... that means even a thread about threads that are weightbased get 1.4 replies and hour.

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