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Musicmystery -> Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/23/2010 9:05:21 PM)

Yes, I agree with you, who cares about polls, and it's a moving target anyway.

But I found the shift in this Gallup poll interesting:

On 3/9, they asked whether you'd advise your representative to vote for the bill. About 45% said yes, while 48% said no.

On 3/22, 50% were enthusiastic or pleased while 42% were angry or disappointed. Similarly, 49% thought this a good thing for the country while 40% thought it bad.




slvemike4u -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/23/2010 9:12:50 PM)

Oh shit Tim,you have competition....guess who started a similiar thread.
The evil Brain is always on the job!




Musicmystery -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/23/2010 9:15:12 PM)

Eight seconds apart at that!




slvemike4u -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/23/2010 9:17:34 PM)

The kid is quick...




Brain -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/23/2010 9:22:29 PM)

Just goes to show you that the strident fringe doesn't necessarily speak for the majority.




Musicmystery -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/23/2010 9:23:49 PM)

Yes, one of my favorite themes.




slvemike4u -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/23/2010 9:27:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

Just goes to show you that the strident fringe doesn't necessarily speak for the majority.
No,you certainly do not!




DarkSteven -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/24/2010 7:32:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yes, I agree with you, who cares about polls, and it's a moving target anyway.

But I found the shift in this Gallup poll interesting:

On 3/9, they asked whether you'd advise your representative to vote for the bill. About 45% said yes, while 48% said no.

On 3/22, 50% were enthusiastic or pleased while 42% were angry or disappointed. Similarly, 49% thought this a good thing for the country while 40% thought it bad.



Wow.  That's amazing, that the respondents were so polarized, with few 'don't know"s.




Louve00 -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/24/2010 8:24:21 AM)

I think as some of the hype dies down more people are going to realize its not the big bad thing it was being played up as.  My husband was fretting his medicare with the rumors that coverage was being cut and cost was going up.  When he found out the medicare 'donut' was being eliminated he relaxed a bit, too.

*editted to add...I'm not quite sure myself just what the advantages and disadvantages of this new law will be, but it hasn't been as intimidating since it was passed, but I have to add ...yet!




kdsub -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/24/2010 8:26:39 AM)

I think back in the day where news took time to spread across the country people were more cautious in making up their minds. Today with instant access to sensationalistic news outlets we form opinions on the spot with little thought.

Butch




Mercnbeth -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/24/2010 8:34:38 AM)

I take it this is the one poll and source that's 100% accurate, unbiased, not agenda based - determined by your agreement to it.

Who is the target audience? Who are you trying to convince the Bill solves anything except providing another corporate welfare program for the health care and services industry?

There may be no denied coverage but there is also no limit to what any insurance company can charge for coverage under those conditions.

Immediately there is a huge burden on health equipment with an income tax surcharge of between 10 and 30 percent for device companies. Who do you think this cost will be passed onto to be paid? Who in their right mind will do R&D in the US under that tax burden? A new tax burden, that has to be implemented into a US model full of unknowns versus a European or Asian models, both with established government health care take overs. Appreciating that's the goal, but until it occurs walking the white line between government ownership of all things health related and that this bill does will put the burden on the user and the tax payer.

A plan that; "pays for itself"; yet had to include another government take over - the student loan industry to pay for it. No longer do the students, now allowed to be a child until 26, get it at 'cost'; they'll be paying 6% on government funds coasting 2%. Profits are bad for industry, a government take over generating profits to support this bill is positive? Rationalization at its finest.

All planned and budgeted by the CBO who can only assume the numbers supplied and not vet them. What's it going to cost and who's going to pay for it? Or do you think all of a sudden small and large businesses will not look for ways to avoid paying any tax surcharge and/or reduce the employee force instead of being subject to higher costs for benefits, and government mandated coverage. No penalty or fee that I've seen from either side of the aisle has been more than cost of coverage required; putting the onus on the individual.

You think any of that was pointed out by the pollsters even if those polled could understand it? Most of the interviews I've seen from the 'man in the street' think this is coming to them "free". The entitled getting another entitlement.

This didn't change the problem with health care, it only relocated the problem and added another level; an 'efficient' government run one at that. The bill creates close to 100 new government bureaucracies, boards, commissions and programs with the power together to tell doctors and hospitals what health care they can and should provide, what are supposedly the "best practices" for treating specific illnesses and conditions, what works in health care and what doesn't through the concept of "comparative effectiveness," even who should and shouldn't receive what health care through the concept of "cost effectiveness."

Honestly do you believe anyone, individual or business, will be paying less for same or more health care benefits four years from now?

But this poll is provided as proof that the people are behind it. The consequences haven't been felt yet. With a bigger plurality they were behind 'CHANGE!' last January. I expect a similar result from a much lower base in this case, since the source expected to deliver on the expectation is the same. Your poll does point to one fact - no as many people were fooled this time around. Looks like some people learned from the last time. They must have fallen through the cracks of the US indoctrination (aka education) system.




Thadius -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/24/2010 8:39:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yes, I agree with you, who cares about polls, and it's a moving target anyway.

But I found the shift in this Gallup poll interesting:

On 3/9, they asked whether you'd advise your representative to vote for the bill. About 45% said yes, while 48% said no.

On 3/22, 50% were enthusiastic or pleased while 42% were angry or disappointed. Similarly, 49% thought this a good thing for the country while 40% thought it bad.


As I stated in another thread, I see this as being like a convention bump. With all of the pomp and circumstance surrounding the passing of the bill, the celebrations have given a positive feel to the folks. Many folks including me are still trying to figure out how this thing is going to change our personal situations. I think the trend will turn back down as folks realize they aren't getting anything for a few years, except additional costs.

I think we are also going to see more places implement "health care" surcharges the way they are now doing in San Fran restaurants. That should help public opinion a bit, no?




kdsub -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/24/2010 8:46:58 AM)

Thadius...Just wondering...if you don't know how it will work for you why are you so against it? Why do you assume the polls will go back down? Are you like many conservatives..." against anything Democrat just because they proposed it"

What will be you opinion if you find it will work very well for you?

I'm not being confrontational...just trying to understand.

Butch




cuckyman -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/24/2010 9:04:38 AM)

Just like the Titantic's departure from South Hampton, the bands played, and people cheered, and the flags flying.... only the iceburg was out there just waiting for the overconfident fools who dismiss the reality of what could be ahead...

The left is now confident...so confident that they are flying their flag of 'Social Justice' and now it is their time to be 'out'.... Let Marxism Ring!...we have done it!...we are the majority!  We win....  Just like CNN calling Florida before the polls closed back in 2000.....

Its all going to come down on their collective heads as it did that starry night on the North Atlantic..... this nation is built on individual freedoms, and not government control...and that force of gravity cannot be overcome by spin machines...or lies, or the pounding of the 'social justice' drum..... The left is risking the very existance of the democrat party and 'all in' with this government takeover of our economy and our rights....and its going to blow up right in their stupid faces..... The iceburg is going to be the jobless numbers, and the inflation that lies ahead.... and no 'Obama government stimulus' will change that fact.... that is going to rip open the ship of fools that democrats truely are, and no one is going to enjoy watching those pompous assholes drown in their stupidity, than those who will fight them every step of the way......  This is a free country, and your 'social justice' Marxism will collapse as it has everywhere it has been embraced...just like gravity, freedom is a force that will overcome anything the numbnuts of the left try to spin.... just ain't gonna happen..... November will bring that clarity and results..... and conservatives will have a Christmas holiday worthy of celebration for once again, the lame ass left wingers will self destruct as they always do....Fools are always the last to know that it is they who will lose all....and to under-estimate the resolve of the nation to keep liberty as the law of the land, is the mark of an overconfident fool....just like this turd......  keep on enjoying your 'victory'...but it was only the first of many battles ahead.... and the war will be won by those wise enough to know that only freedom will win.... always has...always will..... Your party is going to be short lived....enjoy it before the misery that awaits over the horizon of your short sightedness!  Fools are just that....fools.....




Thadius -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/24/2010 9:06:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Thadius...Just wondering...if you don't know how it will work for you why are you so against it? Why do you assume the polls will go back down? Are you like many conservatives..." against anything Democrat just because they proposed it"

What will be you opinion if you find it will work very well for you?

I'm not being confrontational...just trying to understand.

Butch


The reason I don't know how it will work for me is because the group in charge of setting up the minimum acceptable coverage has not yet been formed much less declared what is or isn't acceptable. My current setup may be found lacking, or if they include HSA donations it may put me in the 40% excise tax area. I am also worried about the possible tax implications if I am forced to close my HSA.

In the light of answering your question so that you might better understand my objections and thoughts on the bill here ya go.

I have continued to agree that we need (still do) health care reforms. There are some very good things that are accomplished via this bill, or at least the intent is good. I particularly like the pre-existing conditions changes, the removal of lifetime and yearly caps on coverage payouts, and even the allowance for parents to cover their kids til 26. I am opposed to (if you haven't noticed) the individual mandates, the creation of 150+ new beauracracies and offices, the unfunded mandates that will be passed on to already struggling states, the Sect of Health & Human being able to access my tax returns, and the hiring of 16k more IRS agents to enforce the mandates.

My objections have nothing to do with who proposed this mess, they are soley based on the mess itself.




Musicmystery -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/24/2010 9:07:19 AM)

quote:

conservatives will have a Christmas holiday worthy of celebration for once again


If they do, tell them to actually do something this time around, other than invading countries and creating long term structural deficits.




cuckyman -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/24/2010 9:13:52 AM)

To make that statement is only 'your' assumption of its validity.... because you repeat a lie, does not make it any more true.... more 'spin'....not truth....enjoy your party....and the cliff that lies ahead for the fools like yourself.....




Musicmystery -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/24/2010 9:15:49 AM)

Oh. I didn't realize we hadn't actually invaded any countries, nor that doing so was free and isn't costing us a dime.

I've really got to start reading Snopes.com.




mnottertail -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/24/2010 9:16:23 AM)

gators refusing the dining pleasures now?




Archer -> RE: Poll: Health-care reform more popular after passage than before (3/24/2010 9:24:45 AM)

As to the whys of the increase in the poll numbers, simple same reason the number of fans a team has increases after they win the big game.

People want to be counted as part of the winning team.
Some folks were glad it was signed because it ment that the news was gonna stop interupting their NCAA brackets conversations at the water coolers.

And there is alot of I'm just glad it's over feeling out there impacting the polls too.





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