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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/2/2006 6:44:11 PM

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Some dominants do, some don't. What matters is what YOUR dominant likes. I rather like them and encourage them. Wonderful to have one's sub/slave with a pierced labia and a metal tag saying that she is owned by me.
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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/2/2006 7:47:35 PM

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Personally, having lived in a culturally conservative and conformist place for so long, I find tattoos and piercings to be potent turn-ons. Anything from a simple, elegant tattoo on the ankle to a '666' on your forehead to enough piercings and tattoos to make you look more like a machine or work of modern art than a person work fine for me! It isn't the most important factor, though. I could just as easily go for a sub who was completely devoid of bodily decorations whatsoever.

It's not so much that it's a quality I look for in a partner as it is a style that I know how to appreciate. ^_^ Just like how I know how to appreciate both Jazz and Metal.

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/2/2006 8:52:37 PM

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CERCKL, have you considered, regarding the two tatts which tie her to the previous Master, having them modifies so as to break the "magickal" link. Pewrhaps they could be done in such a way that they become a link to you at different levels? Mor than happy to discuss this out of forum if it would help the pair of you..

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/3/2006 1:46:38 PM

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This is strictly a matter of personal taste, but I find imaginative, well-executed tattoos and piercings to be quite sexy. Shabby work of either sort tends to be a turn-off. My miss has one cute little tattoo from her earlier, non-kinky days, and another-- more elaborate, quite beautiful, and personally meaningful to me-- that we had inked as a mark of my ownership of her. I'm fond of her old tattoo in itself, but if it were a mark given to her by another Master, that would bother me. I would likely instruct her to have it altered.

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/3/2006 5:18:11 PM

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My owner isn't into them. I have 12 rings in my ears, 1 in my lip and three tattoos, from before we were doing the all-the-way power exchange. He's said no more peircings. I have a couple more tattoos I really really want to get, and there's a good chance he'll let me. He doesn't think they're ugly, just dislikes them.

I like well rendered, well thought out tattoos a great deal. And I like peircings and moderatly stretched peircings. A lot :)

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/3/2006 5:46:22 PM

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I have 5 ear piercings (2 in each lobe, 1 cartilage left ear), belly button, and two tattoos. All but the belly piercing were done before Master and I got together. He likes my tatts and if I want to get more He has no problems with it. He is a cleanskin but that is mainly because He never found anything He liked enough to get inked, and He feels He is too old to start now

I'm also not a fan of facial piercings, though I've toyed with the idea of a tiny nose stud. The thought of a genital piercing just makes me cross my legs and make the sign for warding off evil.....

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/3/2006 5:46:26 PM

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It all depends for me. If the tat is tasteful, and perhaps not in general view (having "Fuck You" tatooed across the forehead would count as not tatseful to me) it works for me. Same holds true of piercings. I love a lot of them, especially practical ones like nipple, tongue and labia/clit piercings. However if a person looks like she took a head plant into a tacklebox I'd have to pass.

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/3/2006 6:47:57 PM

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in a word...YES!!!

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/3/2006 9:24:19 PM

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I dont have a lot of metal protruding from my face <lol>, but I do have hood, nipple, double 14 gauge in ears, cartlidge, and an industrial. Luckily, i have no ownership tattoos, only kanji down my back and one on my ankle.
Thanks for all the posts!

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/3/2006 10:53:38 PM

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I would like opinions on whether Doms/Masters find piercings & tattoos desirable or a turnoff?

I love tattoos, provided they don't look like they were done in prison. When I met Master, I had one tattoo, which I had gotten when I was 36 years old. He told me He'd never been with a woman who had a tattoo, didn't find tattoos attractive at all, but could probably live with the one I had, and that He would never get one. For our five-year anniversary, He had me tattooed again, and He's planning at least two others that I know of. I think I've converted Him!

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/3/2006 10:57:17 PM

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I'm fond of her old tattoo in itself, but if it were a mark given to her by another Master, that would bother me. I would likely instruct her to have it altered.

Why?

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/4/2006 2:41:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: Ceyx

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but if it were a mark given to her by another Master, that would bother me. I would likely instruct her to have it altered.

Not to invalidate your feelings or tastes, Ceyx, but I have a different perspective to offer.

If I were to claim a slave who had a mark of previous ownership (and if control of zer body art was one of the powers offered to me by this slave), I'd leave it exactly as it was, with a respectful amount of space around it. To me, it's an important part of the slave's history, and I consider it very important as such. After all, the Butterfly Effect implies that without having been previously owned, my new slave may not have ended up with me at all! Our histories are important, even if they weren't ideal, and I'd never try to cover history up in any way. Not even another Master's mark on my property.

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/4/2006 5:38:00 AM

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Greetings :)
I have no piercings at all, not even my ears are pierced, but I do have quite a few tattoos. My back is covered with a dragon, I have a 'necklace' that goes around my neck and down my chest, two bands ( one on each arm ), the zodiac signs around my belly button, and gypsy markings that completly cover one hand. I love tattoos though. I am currently looking at having my other hand done with some other markings to match the one's of the gypsies.

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/4/2006 9:24:51 AM

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Evanesce, you ask why it would bother me if miss had a tattoo from a previous Master. I don't presume to speak for anyone else, but I'll answer from the perspective of my own relationship.

I'm deeply enamored of the tattoo that miss wears as a mark of my ownership. The beauty of the thing, its symbolism, the fact that we chose it together, the pain she endured in having it inked. To me, and to her, it means that she's mine; we wouldn't have done it unless (and didn't do it until) we were both sure of one another and of the life we wanted together. It was a remarkable gesture on her part, one that makes me proud, and proud of her. It's a living symbol of our bond, as close as her skin.

Rightly or wrongly, I imagine the same meaning to inhere in other ownership tattoos. The significance of the thing itself wouldn't change for me with our circumstances. Should we part ways, I would still think of her mark as representing our feelings for one another and her service to me, even if she were no longer living in those feelings or that service. I would be uncomfortable with such a tattoo on her body from another person, and if she should ever submit to someone else, I would expect them to look askance on mine.

Reilithion, you make the reasonable point that one may choose to view such tattoos as artifacts, for lack of a better term-- visual records of a slave's history-- rather than art-- in which meaning and feeling inhere whenever it's experienced. That seems a valid choice, but I don't know that I could ever think of miss' ownership tattoo strictly in the past tense, merely as an index to a moment in my life and hers. Altering a tattoo wouldn't be a question of denying history, for me, but rather of how one chooses to live with that history in the present. Obviously I believe that one wants to be very careful and deliberate about printing so dear a thing (more or less) permanently into a person's skin. The permanence is the allure, but it can also create problems.

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/4/2006 1:10:34 PM

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Normally tattoos do nothing for me. BUT a tattoo that was agreed to by my sub as a "Brand" to signify our relationship gets me hot just at the thought of it. And her too.

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/4/2006 2:11:36 PM

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I'm deeply enamored of the tattoo that miss wears as a mark of my ownership. The beauty of the thing, its symbolism, the fact that we chose it together, the pain she endured in having it inked. To me, and to her, it means that she's mine; we wouldn't have done it unless (and didn't do it until) we were both sure of one another and of the life we wanted together. It was a remarkable gesture on her part, one that makes me proud, and proud of her. It's a living symbol of our bond, as close as her skin.

Rightly or wrongly, I imagine the same meaning to inhere in other ownership tattoos. The significance of the thing itself wouldn't change for me with our circumstances. Should we part ways, I would still think of her mark as representing our feelings for one another and her service to me, even if she were no longer living in those feelings or that service. I would be uncomfortable with such a tattoo on her body from another person, and if she should ever submit to someone else, I would expect them to look askance on mine.

I've heard similar sentiments from others over the years, and it always saddens me that people feel this way about another's personal history. To me, it would be like if Master were to command me to throw away all my photo albums because they hold photographs of past boyfriends and my ex husband. I couldn't do it. It's a visual link to my past - to what helped mold me into the slave I am for Him, just as His history has molded Him into the Master He is for me.

The past is not a threat. It's not something to be buried or hidden or tossed aside, lest the memories lure us back to that time. It's part of who we are and, I believe, should be embraced as such.

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/4/2006 2:38:20 PM

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Of course I've said nothing about burying, hiding or tossing aside the past; if I could be willfully ignorant of, or indifferent towards, the history of someone with whom I'm involved, then deeply meaningful tattoos from the past wouldn't bother me at all. We'll just have to disagree on how one goes about making the past consist harmoniously with the present.

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/4/2006 6:49:57 PM

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quote:

Are piercings/tattoos desirable?

only to thoes who get them

accepted by others, but desired? Ummmm not so much

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/4/2006 8:23:51 PM

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Of course I've said nothing about burying, hiding or tossing aside the past;

Sure you have. You said you'd have any former owner's mark covered up, or removed. How is that not an attempt to bury the past? I think it's so you can then pretend that former relationship never was. If you can't see it, then it didn't happen.

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if I could be willfully ignorant of, or indifferent towards, the history of someone with whom I'm involved, then deeply meaningful tattoos from the past wouldn't bother me at all.

Who said anything about willful ignorance or indifference? A person's history is an inherent part of them. It's what helped make them the person you know and should be embraced. That it bothers you indicates a flaw within yourself that allows you to feel insecure about a partner's past. Perhaps you tend to compare yourself to her past partners and fear you'll come up short.

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We'll just have to disagree on how one goes about making the past consist harmoniously with the present.

I'm afraid we shall.

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RE: Are piercings/tattoos desirable? - 4/4/2006 9:22:15 PM

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Oh my goodness, talk about misunderstandings.

As the tattooed girl in question, I hope I can clarify what Sir meant. What you've described is as far from his reasoning as the earth from the sun.

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You said you'd have any former owner's mark covered up, or removed. How is that not an attempt to bury the past? I think it's so you can then pretend that former relationship never was. If you can't see it, then it didn't happen.

Sir said he would have such a mark altered. Not removed, not covered up. Altered means changed or added to, which doesn't so much bury the past as add the present to it. The reason for this is that my latest tattoo is the symbol of his ownership of me in much the same way others use collars or wedding rings as symbols of their committed bond. Were I have to have such a symbol with a past owner (which I don't, but we're speaking in hypotheticals here), it would be similar to my wandering around wearing an ex's wedding ring, or another master's collar. In our dynamic, Halcyone the slave wears one mark of ownership, that of Ceyx the owner. So he would be more than within his rights to add to or alter a past ownership mark to reflect my current status.

This wouldn't remove or ignore my history, which I feel bears repeating, and is what Sir meant when he said what it did. It would reflect the change in my present.

I'm not sure of how to respond to your "I think you feel this way for this reason" remark. I know Sir very well and can state, with authority, that he doesn't feel that way at all. You are entitled to that opinion but it isn't an educated one.

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That it bothers you indicates a flaw within yourself that allows you to feel insecure about a partner's past. Perhaps you tend to compare yourself to her past partners and fear you'll come up short.

Again, this simply isn't the case. It is a reflection of our beliefs that this slave can only have one owner, and past marks of ownership can be and should be altered to reflect current ownership, much as a brand would. It isn't a denial or an attempt to ignore my past. It is simply how we view our relationship. Your perhaps statement is, once more, simply not the truth. His statements do not bear out that theorizing.

Be well.

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