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TreasureKY -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 11:09:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead They don't, but if they're traveling under a false passport they've probably committed some form of identity theft. I don't believe the right to a secret identity is protected by the constitution, and identity fraud is something most western nations have been making an effort to crack down on recently, even if they haven't had a load of white right leaning lunatics issuing death threats at politicians they don't like for a year or so. Your point about people changing addresses and phone numbers during the life of a passport is well founded, but asking for information that is on the paperwork they've got but not on the passport does seem a pretty solid way of letting somebody prove that they're who they say they are. Your other half did, so no harm was done. To clarify, Firm was not traveling via passport. This was a domestic flight with no travel, at any time, outside of the country. Possession of a passport is not necessary if one never travels outside the US, and many Americans don't even have one. The point is that catching identity thieves is not the mission of the TSA or DHS. If you want to enlarge their role to catch any wrongdoers, then why not go all the way? I'm sure they could also identify individuals who may have unpaid parking tickets, failed to file their tax returns, or are late in paying child support. Just imagine... all those evil people could be brought to justice! [8\|]

slvemike4u -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 1:00:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY I'm a bit floored this morning... Firm has been out of state on a business trip for the past couple of days and is scheduled to fly back home to Georgia this morning. I called him yesterday evening to let him know that while attempting to check him in on his flight, I was unable to and that he needed to check in at the airport counter. Okay, a bit of an extra hassle for him but all-in-all, no biggie. It turns out, that he was flagged by the Department of Homeland Security to check his passport. WTF? Firm wasn't flying into or out of the country. They told him that he needed to be able to give the telephone number that is on his passport. WTF, again? There is no telephone number on his passport... at least not printed anywhere on the passport itself. Fortunately, after three tries he was able to give them what they said was the correct number and he was cleared to get his boarding pass, but I am at a total loss as to what on earth is going on. Firm wasn't the only one who experienced this... another gentleman who had been at the same meeting who was scheduled for the same flight has the same problem. Random check to be sure... I can't imagine any kind of profiling that would apply to him other than "plain, caucasian, American male". Firm's name and appearance is as all-American as "John Smith". About the most subversive association that Firm has in his life is his membership in this forum. Is anyone aware of any new requirement for US passengers on domestic flights to carry their passport? Is there any chance he will be met upon landing and arrested.I have long felt the man was a subversive and that we will all be better off once they lock his ass up......perhaps they can deport him to his country of origin(please tell me he is from Tazmania...please)This is ,my friends just the start..once we have Firm secure they will show up and grab Treasure too.....oh what glorious and heady days we live in!!!!!![:D]

MrRodgers -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 1:03:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I think may have found the problem, and I'm not nearly as certain that it's Bushs's doing as Dark Steven seems to be... [image]http://forthardknox.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/dhsreport.jpg[/image] http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5410658/DHS-Report-on-Right-Wing-Extremism/ I agree, Bush if anything was very similar to all of them...a very useful puppet needing few political yet important economically useful strings attached. Same as all since Reagan through Obama...and the next one and... I doubt if there is any real evolving big picture here yet...but we may be picking out the colors.

TreasureKY -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 1:17:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Is there any chance he will be met upon landing and arrested.I have long felt the man was a subversive and that we will all be better off once they lock his ass up......perhaps they can deport him to his country of origin(please tell me he is from Tazmania...please)This is ,my friends just the start..once we have Firm secure they will show up and grab Treasure too.....oh what glorious and heady days we live in!!!!!![:D] [8\|] Amusing.

slvemike4u -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 1:23:08 PM)
Treasure i had hoped you would understand off the bat that I was going for a laugh there....I do hope you did not take it in any other fashion.....I happen to like the two of you.

sappatoti -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 1:36:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY ... Firm has been out of state on a business trip for the past couple of days and is scheduled to fly back home to Georgia this morning. I called him yesterday evening to let him know that while attempting to check him in on his flight, I was unable to and that he needed to check in at the airport counter. ... I'm going out on a limb here so please take this for what it may or may not be worth. Firm is out of town traveling so someone is trying to check him into a flight using a computer/IP address that is no where near where he is at the moment (specifically, where ever you were, Treasure, when you made the attempt). That might raise a yellow flag for some extreme DHS agents. It would be interesting to think that if Firm attempted to do the online check-in himself from his out-of-town location if he would have been flagged for further screening. I know, family members have been checking their traveling relations in using online check-in with regularity. I've done it myself for my father, but that was a couple of years ago. Perhaps DHS is also considering it to be something to be on the look out for in having another person do a check-in, from a different location, than the one who is going to actually be getting on the plane. If this is indeed something that DHS is flagging, there's going to be a lot of complaining from the traveling public, I think. While a lot of people travel with their devices that allow them to do the online check-ins themselves, from their travel locations, a few people (like myself) would just as soon keep those devices at home and let a family member deal with the check-in from home on my behalf. I don't like carrying those devices with me unless I absolutely need them for the purpose of the visit. (For the record, my cell phone is not a smart phone; I don't own a smart phone and probably never will.) I stated this might be something to think about that's "way out there."

Sanity -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 1:54:00 PM)
What next in airport security? [8\|] quote: Terrorists Could Use Explosives in Breast Implants to Crash Planes, Experts Warn Female homicide bombers are being fitted with exploding breast implants which are almost impossible to detect, British spies have reportedly discovered. The shocking new Al Qaeda tactic involves radical doctors inserting the explosives in women's breasts during plastic surgery — making them "virtually impossible to detect by the usual airport scanning machines." It is believed the doctors have been trained at some of Britain's leading teaching hospitals before returning to their own countries to perform the surgical procedures. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/03/24/terrorists-use-explosives-breast-implants-crash-planes-experts-warn/?test=latestnews

LadyEllen -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 2:01:29 PM)
I must get my application in to MI6; I've only been saying for years that this is the way to go. E

barelynangel -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 2:26:20 PM)
Wow, hell i can't even remember my phone number when i am trying to give it to stores to get discounts. If they are going to require people to know information on their passports from admissions of years ago, then they need to inform people it may be wise to carry your passport domestically. Hell i don't look at my passport outside of needing it to fly out of the country and well because i am poor and overworked, that don't happen as often as i would like it too, so my passport is in the the vault collecting dust. To sit there and have someone try and remember a phone number is ridiculous. Phone numbers come and go --- MOST people don't even have home phone numbers anymore. What's odd is that he and another member of the meeting he was in was flagged also. angel

TreasureKY -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 2:54:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Treasure i had hoped you would understand off the bat that I was going for a laugh there....I do hope you did not take it in any other fashion.....I happen to like the two of you. No worries, Mike. I knew you were going for a laugh... that's why I said "amusing". Perhaps I should have used the [8D] emoticon instead of the [8\|]. Oh, by the way... I'm sorry but Firm isn't from Tazmania. He's from a swamp outside the Kingdom of Duloc. See for yourself. [;)]

slvemike4u -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 3:00:15 PM)
I knew it....the guys a furriner! p.s. yeah treasure the smiley would have been appreciated...after I saw your reply,and thought it was annoyed sarcasm...I started wondering just how much bullshit did the two of you go thru today....and was kicking myself for going for the laugh....I have spent the last half hour thinking myself an asshole(save the post where you tell me I was right Sanity)thanks a lot for going off to watch Oprah or some thing [:D].

TreasureKY -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 3:03:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sappatoti ... Firm is out of town traveling so someone is trying to check him into a flight using a computer/IP address that is no where near where he is at the moment (specifically, where ever you were, Treasure, when you made the attempt). That might raise a yellow flag for some extreme DHS agents. That had occurred to me as a possibility. If so, it still makes no sense to me as what does where you check in affect what you may or may not attempt to bring on board an airplane? Again, where does this fit into the scope of DHS' or TSA's mission? I'm just not seeing the connection between checking in from a remote IP address and terrorism.

TreasureKY -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 3:10:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u ... thanks a lot for going off to watch Oprah or some thing [:D]. lol... You're welcome. [:D]

slvemike4u -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 3:12:19 PM)
I just love a woman who can take pleasure out of my discomfort......[:D]

mnottertail -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 3:24:13 PM)
Let me see your papers. All I have is my pipe. Then you better come with me.

Real0ne -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 4:05:06 PM)
retracted post :)

sappatoti -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 4:46:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: sappatoti ... Firm is out of town traveling so someone is trying to check him into a flight using a computer/IP address that is no where near where he is at the moment (specifically, where ever you were, Treasure, when you made the attempt). That might raise a yellow flag for some extreme DHS agents. That had occurred to me as a possibility. If so, it still makes no sense to me as what does where you check in affect what you may or may not attempt to bring on board an airplane? Again, where does this fit into the scope of DHS' or TSA's mission? I'm just not seeing the connection between checking in from a remote IP address and terrorism. Consider a cell of terrorists about to board one or more planes from either the same or different airports at the same time. By taking advantage of online check-in, and assuming those boarding the planes don't trip any other profile triggers, the potential terrorists get on board without incident or suspicion. There need be only one terrorist actually checking everyone in from a safe, distant location. Like I wrote in my first post of this thread, DHS may or may not be using IP locations as part of their profiling, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's at least a minor consideration in their thought process.

TreasureKY -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 5:07:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sappatoti Consider a cell of terrorists about to board one or more planes from either the same or different airports at the same time. By taking advantage of online check-in, and assuming those boarding the planes don't trip any other profile triggers, the potential terrorists get on board without incident or suspicion. There need be only one terrorist actually checking everyone in from a safe, distant location. It still doesn't make sense to me. Online check-in doesn't allow a traveler to by-pass any screening or security measures. It only saves having to stand in line to get your boarding pass along with everyone checking baggage. And anyone wanting one less official scrutinizing their appearance and/or i.d. at the airport needs only to check-in at one of the automated kiosks. sighs Perhaps I just don't have a devious enough of a mind to see the connection.

Real0ne -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 5:29:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: sappatoti Consider a cell of terrorists about to board one or more planes from either the same or different airports at the same time. By taking advantage of online check-in, and assuming those boarding the planes don't trip any other profile triggers, the potential terrorists get on board without incident or suspicion. There need be only one terrorist actually checking everyone in from a safe, distant location. It still doesn't make sense to me. Online check-in doesn't allow a traveler to by-pass any screening or security measures. It only saves having to stand in line to get your boarding pass along with everyone checking baggage. And anyone wanting one less official scrutinizing their appearance and/or i.d. at the airport needs only to check-in at one of the automated kiosks. sighs Perhaps I just don't have a devious enough of a mind to see the connection. well look at it from the brighter standpoint. its all the easier to group flights to off your political opponents as an act of some innocent muslim being accused of a terror operation when you know instantly who is on every flight. what was billy butt head up too? 15 maybe?

Real0ne -> RE: "Let Me See Your Papers"... (3/25/2010 5:32:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sappatoti Consider a cell of terrorists ok lets consider when the cia dump that bacteria in the ny subway to see how long it took to spread through new york in hmm operation big city I think it was. You mean those terror cells?

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