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subtee -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:20:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

[I think it's very possible that a Domme can be a Domme without sacrificing her femininity.


Do you? And do you therefore believe a Dom can be a Dom to a strong female (as you clearly are) without sacrificing his dominance?



tazzygirl -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:20:48 PM)









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What I realize as I get older is that Michelle is less concerned about me giving her flowers than she is that I’m doing things that are hard for me…carving out time.


Which just strikes me as "suffer to prove you love me" bullshit.

I dont want flowers either, i want time. Does that make me a harpy?

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And this quote from Barack:
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"It is important that when I'm home to make sure that I'm present and I still forget stuff. As Michelle likes to say, 'You are a good man, but you are still a man.' I leave my socks around. I'll hang my pants on the door. I leave newspapers laying around. But she lets me know when I'm not acting right. After 14 years, she's trained me reasonably well."


And this one:
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"We haven't had a lot of peace and quiet over the last four years. Michelle's always had veto power and always will, over decisions that have a direct impact on her."


Sorry but if I vote for a politician I don't vote for his wife to have veto power over the way he votes.


And i dont see it that way. I see him saying that Michelle has veto power over decisions He makes affecting her... not the country... her directly. She is still a person.

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And this one by Michelle:
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"He's always asking, 'Is that new? I haven't seen that before.' It's like, 'Why don't you mind your own business? Solve world hunger. Get out of my closet!'"

Her closet is her business but his job is...oh yeah. Her business too.

And of course, the classic "Let's tell the world my husband's feet stink cuz I think it's funny" interview with Glamour magazine. That's ridiculous.


LOL.. i find that funny too.... it makes him much more human! And of course her closet is her business! He does have bigger issues than that new dress.



Elisabella -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:21:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subtee


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

[I think it's very possible that a Domme can be a Domme without sacrificing her femininity.


Do you? And do you therefore believe a Dom can be a Dom to a strong female (as you clearly are) without sacrificing his dominance?


Right up til the point he brags that she "trained him well" [;)]



tazzygirl -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:24:57 PM)

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/01/28/at_harvard_law_a_unifying_voice/

I point you in that direction, Sanity. Perhaps it might help you understand the man a bit more. And i have known a few Dominant men with his traits that you find so un-domly.



subtee -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:25:01 PM)

And do you imagine that relates in any way to actual training? That's naive. And you didn't answer my question.

Nonetheless, the question has to do with Obama as president. Dominant or no?



brainiacsub -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:26:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Hey mike- looks like some braniac wants to be our marriage counselor.


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ORIGINAL: brainiacsub

Don't you know that this has absolutely nothing to do with vacations, who took them and for how long, and whether or not they were working?

This is like when a couple goes to see a marriage counselor and one complains that the other puts the toilet paper on the dispenser backwards. Do you think they are really fighting about toilet paper? No, there is something deeper going on and the toilet paper becomes a convenient outlet for their frustrations. It is no different with attitudes toward Obama. If one is predisposed to not like him for any reason, there is no shortage of toilet paper to bitch about.


I sense that there is no love lost between the two of you, but if I could be your marriage counselor I'd tell you to kiss and make up or I'm taking the toilet paper from the both of you and you can just go without.



Sanity -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:28:39 PM)


How do you jive that article with your crackpot "all black men are submissives" theory

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/01/28/at_harvard_law_a_unifying_voice/

I point you in that direction, Sanity. Perhaps it might help you understand the man a bit more. And i have known a few Dominant men with his traits that you find so un-domly.



Elisabella -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:30:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subtee

And do you imagine that relates in any way to actual training? That's naive. And you didn't answer my question.

Nonetheless, the question has to do with Obama as president. Dominant or no?


LOL obviously not "BDSM training" but rather she's trained him to do or not do things she likes or doesn't like. While the word 'training' might have been facetious it's also accurate in a sense. She wears the pants in the house. Not him.

As far as his Presidency I don't think of that in terms of "dominant" or "submissive" so I couldn't say.

ETA I will say that there seems to be a lot of men who work in high powered, high stress jobs who are very submissive at home, so I can see where you're coming from.



subtee -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:30:21 PM)

Sanity! Not on topic.



slvemike4u -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:30:41 PM)

And I would promptly fire you.....but all of that aside,all you really need no about this till death fued between me and Sanity is that I am the one on the side of the angles(after all I'm a Democrat...and he is an evil overreaching Republican)and I'm the one who is right in all matters(again I'm the Dem and he's the Rep scu...ublican)other than that dear lady....don't give it a moments thought.[:D]



Sanity -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:32:20 PM)


I bet he doesn't leave the toilet seat up.

Or wet.


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

LOL obviously not "BDSM training" but rather she's trained him to do or not do things she likes or doesn't like. While the word 'training' might have been facetious it's also accurate in a sense. She wears the pants in the house. Not him.

As far as his Presidency I don't think of that in terms of "dominant" or "submissive" so I couldn't say.



Elisabella -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:33:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I bet he doesn't leave the toilet seat up.

Or wet.


LOL

My husband only leaves it up sometimes but he leaves his stupid beard hairs in the sink. That's the problem with dating a dominant, they do things their own damn way :(



Sanity -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:34:20 PM)


But it was funny though. And it was excellent payback, for that cheap shot she took at me earlier.


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ORIGINAL: subtee

Sanity! Not on topic.



subtee -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:35:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

LOL obviously not "BDSM training" but rather she's trained him to do or not do things she likes or doesn't like. While the word 'training' might have been facetious it's also accurate in a sense. She wears the pants in the house. Not him.

You obviously can't know that. These are interviews you're referencing.

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As far as his Presidency I don't think of that in terms of "dominant" or "submissive" so I couldn't say.


Try. A man acts. He decides. He speaks. He makes things happen. I believe Obama does these things. Do you? Or do you think someone else is puppetmaster? Or some other scenario?



Elisabella -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:42:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subtee
You obviously can't know that. These are interviews you're referencing.


This is true, but I've offered several quotes that would paint him as more submissive leaning and I have yet to see a single one that would paint him as more dominant-leaning.

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Try. A man acts. He decides. He speaks. He makes things happen. I believe Obama does these things. Do you? Or do you think someone else is puppetmaster? Or some other scenario?


I don't think someone else is puppet master but I do think a lot of someone elses are influencing the direction the administration is taking - as far as deciding, speaking, and making things happen...we're still in Iraq, the date he ordered Gitmo closed passed without it closing, the only real inititative he's taken has been with this healthcare bill and it doesn't seem as progressive as he would have liked it to be.

These are all natural for a President, a President is not a King. A President is a servant of the people, and if the President is a dominant, he's sure hooked up with a bunch of do-me subs.

He's fairly efficient as a President, but not as efficient as you'd expect for someone with a majority in both houses of Congress. And I still don't see what it has to do with BDSM.



Sanity -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:42:59 PM)


Its odd that you think its my job to enlighten you regarding why its not Domly to beg a kiss.


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ORIGINAL: subtee


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Not real Domly... (assuming its true).

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ORIGINAL: subtee
My god. Are you for serious? Dude asks her for permission to kiss her (assuming that's even true) and she's a harpy?



Really not? Enlighten me.



brainiacsub -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:46:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subtee


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ORIGINAL: brainiacsub
Don't you know that this has absolutely nothing to do with vacations, who took them and for how long, and whether or not they were working?

This is like when a couple goes to see a marriage counselor and one complains that the other puts the toilet paper on the dispenser backwards. Do you think they are really fighting about toilet paper? No, there is something deeper going on and the toilet paper becomes a convenient outlet for their frustrations. It is no different with attitudes toward Obama. If one is predisposed to not like him for any reason, there is no shortage of toilet paper to bitch about.


Obviously the TP goes over the top. Duh.

So, what is your answer? Do you find Obama's presidential/management style dominant in nature? Or not so much? And, obviously, why or why not?

He certainly has many characteristics that I look for in a dominant man, but as President I think my feelings are mixed. He is often too much of a politician and not enough of a leader, but I don't entirely blame him for that. He is a bit inexperienced operating at this level and it's only fair to expect that there would be some learning curve, but also the climate of Washington makes it nearly impossible for anyone but a masterful politician to thrive. I don't think the ability to compromise necessarily negates dominance, but any man that I am with should be able to define a path forward for us based on his convictions, and bring me along even if I disagree. Obama is in a tough position politically and no matter what he does there will be dissent from either the left or the right. As a man, I would like to see him be more decisive about his own convictions, but as President I understand the political realities of constant compromise.



slvemike4u -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:46:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subtee


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

LOL obviously not "BDSM training" but rather she's trained him to do or not do things she likes or doesn't like. While the word 'training' might have been facetious it's also accurate in a sense. She wears the pants in the house. Not him.

You obviously can't know that. These are interviews you're referencing.

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As far as his Presidency I don't think of that in terms of "dominant" or "submissive" so I couldn't say.


Try. A man acts. He decides. He speaks. He makes things happen. I believe Obama does these things. Do you? Or do you think someone else is puppetmaster? Or some other scenario?
Okay after that last line,and pinot noir or not,I'm back to being pissed at this whole line of  reasoning...and can not help but think their are subliminal inferences as far as sub men being somehow.....unmanly[:D]...I hereby withdraw my -clink-.



subtee -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:53:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

[This is true, but I've offered several quotes that would paint him as more submissive leaning and I have yet to see a single one that would paint him as more dominant-leaning.



And if that were the case and he was to say it, how do you think it would go over?

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I don't think someone else is puppet master but I do think a lot of someone elses are influencing the direction the administration is taking - as far as deciding, speaking, and making things happen...we're still in Iraq, the date he ordered Gitmo closed passed without it closing, the only real inititative he's taken has been with this healthcare bill and it doesn't seem as progressive as he would have liked it to be.


And Iraq wasn't his deal, nor was Gitmo. He accepted these burdens with grace and earnest efforts. HCR was a complete clusterfuck and he still got it passed, not as he would have liked it to be, but it was counted down and out--unpassable-- and he did it. With every single Republican voting against (good faith?), he did it. I say, Dominant.



subtee -> RE: As a Dominant or one who is interested in a Dominant (3/26/2010 9:58:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Okay after that last line,and pinot noir or not,I'm back to being pissed at this whole line of  reasoning...and can not help but think their are subliminal inferences as far as sub men being somehow.....unmanly[:D]...I hereby withdraw my -clink-.


Dude. Don't think that an idea expressed about Dominance means the opposite is true of submissives. In other words, because I'm saying that I'm finding XYZ qualities dominant in Obama does not mean that they also can't be present in submissive men. Please reinstate ~clink~



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