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The Soldier. - 3/27/2010 9:02:27 PM   
Smutmonger


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Status: offline 		 I'm writing this out of a sense of cognitive dissonance this evening.

I see a lot of flowery stuff on here about "submissives yeilding"...followed by a bunch os standard girly girl gushings. But this has never been a model I saw as being particularly useful to my ideology of D/s. The "1950's Hausfrau slut by night-pta admin by day" sort finds me a bit bored.

Because this comes in great part from a western Double standard that is terribly outmoded. We abide in a new age-where women are expected to have some degree of equality. And I agree with this-women should be able to view themselves as stronger-and that ability should have rewards.

I guess my model is a bit of a tomboy-equally at home hammering nails into a house frame-or gliding on the dance floor. Someone quite competent-and fanatical in a mutual vision she shares with her Dom.

I have mentioned this viewpoint-about the soldier under command to a few subs-and they told me "sounds like you are looking for a Domme."

But that's not it-though I am sure many subs out there get taken for this by the more passive (agressive?) sorts who think they deserve to get taken along for a ride.

I just like the idea of mutual responsibility-intelligence and ability. But unequal authority. And I HAVE seen this out there-I find it admirable.

What do you think-are you a soldier for HIM?

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RE: The Soldier. - 3/27/2010 9:08:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		i wouldn't call myself a "soldier," but slaves are often very intelligent, strong, capable, and independent people in their own right - is this what you mean?

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RE: The Soldier. - 3/27/2010 9:13:15 PM   
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RE: The Soldier. - 3/27/2010 9:16:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		The soldier has intelligence-ability to follow orders, discipline, strength, loyalty. The soldier understands the importance of completing the mission-even though missions may not always come to expected conclusions. The soldier trains to accomplish these.

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i wouldn't call myself a "soldier," but slaves are often very intelligent, strong, capable, and independent people in their own right - is this what you mean?


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RE: The Soldier. - 3/27/2010 9:17:50 PM   
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RE: The Soldier. - 3/27/2010 9:18:32 PM   
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RE: The Soldier. - 3/27/2010 9:19:41 PM   
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I've used terms like he's my executive assistant because I prefer business analogies.

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RE: The Soldier. - 3/27/2010 9:22:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Smutmonger

Having a sub who's a dead shot with a .50 cal sniper rifle has more appeal to me than paperwork on my desk-but to each thier own!


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I've used terms like he's my executive assistant because I prefer business analogies.

- LA



We all have different needs. And believe me, the executive assistant is going to deal with much more than shuffling paper. Just ask my real life executive assistant!

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RE: The Soldier. - 3/27/2010 9:24:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Smutmonger

The soldier has intelligence-ability to follow orders, discipline, strength, loyalty. The soldier understands the importance of completing the mission-even though missions may not always come to expected conclusions. The soldier trains to accomplish these.

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ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven

i wouldn't call myself a "soldier," but slaves are often very intelligent, strong, capable, and independent people in their own right - is this what you mean?


Ah, well even though i grew up overseas in a military family, and worked with the military in my previous vanilla career, i have no military mindset.

Following orders, discipline, strength, loyalty, i agree with these absolutely, but i see these as slave traits in general. The "mission" analogy doesn't resonate with me - no offense.

These days, rather than military might, my currency is kindness. It works for me, and my future Owner.

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RE: The Soldier. - 3/28/2010 1:46:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ongoing surrender requires the strength of free choice from self will.

For some, that is a challenge, an inner battle through which they must soldier through.

And yes, the choice to surrender is made with inner control and discipline. Self will is a form of dominating the mind, heart, and ego.

Excellence in either side of the control/surrender polarity requires that one must have the wisdom of both sides, which already exist within.

Which has greater value, one who surrenders as half a person, or one who surrenders as a whole person?

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RE: The Soldier. - 3/28/2010 2:12:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Smutmonger

The soldier has intelligence-ability to follow orders, discipline, strength, loyalty. The soldier understands the importance of completing the mission-even though missions may not always come to expected conclusions. The soldier trains to accomplish these.
 And often, the slave also has these things. :) And while I've never handled a .50 cal, I can drive tacks with my 1911 .45 ACP.  *wink* Well wishes, Cav's ally

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RE: The Soldier. - 3/28/2010 2:29:58 AM   
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The soldier has intelligence-ability to follow orders, discipline, strength, loyalty. The soldier understands the importance of completing the mission-even though missions may not always come to expected conclusions. The soldier trains to accomplish these.



In the context of a soldier following orders - it follows thus that her commander dictates her value. To illustrate: perhaps you have a commander whose orders do not allow for her to use her initiative - but one day you need her to use her initiative - so the commander has generated a situation where she really isn't that much of the 'soldier' that he needs. In other words - 'the soldier' is only as good as the 'commander'.

The idea of a 'soldier' following orders isn't much use to me. Would much rather have the feminine qualities that come with being a woman: charity/warmth/humour/love etc - than strength and discipline. I'd just read Neitzsche or something for an introduction to those. Life - according to my philosophy on life - should be governed by warmth and humour.

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RE: The Soldier. - 3/28/2010 4:51:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		He is what I need him to be no matter what the label, "soldier" just happens to be one of them. He is like this because I trained him to be that way and if there is something he doesn't know that I think he should, I have him learn.

If you look hard enough you can find what it is that you seek, a submissive that is independent and quite capable of being trained to do whatever it is that you need done. How many threads do we see on training? You want her to swing a hammer? Train her. You want her to cook a dish a certain way? Train her. That is the Dominant's job teach the submissive how to please them.

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RE: The Soldier. - 3/28/2010 4:57:30 AM   
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I think the soldier point of view is more an American thingy. You have a completely different view on soldiers then Europeans.
Not saying one is better then an other, but it can make a discussion about "beeing a soldier" difficult.

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RE: The Soldier. - 3/28/2010 5:09:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		What does it matter if your ideology isn't someone else's? You show your disdain for "flowery stuff" and "standard girly girl gushings" but like to waffle out annoyingly pompous terms like "cognitive dissonance" as though it's the popular standard....

Explaining your soldier ideology to a prospective sub is all part of getting to know an individual rather than a social demographic; it makes conversation; it holds an interest (or not)....

The only flaw in your soldier analogy comes from my years of participating in online D/s forums; that most associate soldiers with being submissive no matter what their rank. IE, they ultimately *all* take orders from someone....

I'm close though - my girl is simply second in command. I don't want her ringing me because she doesn't know what dress to wear (for eg). If I'm not around, she is to take over the everyday decisions and I'll trust her judgement for the same reasons she's earnt my trust.

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RE: The Soldier. - 3/28/2010 6:20:06 AM   
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I'm close though - my girl is simply second in command. I don't want her ringing me because she doesn't know what dress to wear (for eg). If I'm not around, she is to take over the everyday decisions and I'll trust her judgement for the same reasons she's earnt my trust.


Very well said. My submissive can make decisions on my behalf, knowing what my wishes are, but realising that at all times, he is representing me. I guess that sounds more like a vice-president than an executive assistant though doesn't it ;-) I think he would have to have qualities from both and from other sources as well.

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RE: The Soldier. - 3/28/2010 7:22:05 AM   
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Hmm, lets jump from one bad stereotype to another......

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RE: The Soldier. - 3/28/2010 7:32:45 AM   
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Hmm, lets jump from one bad stereotype to another......


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RE: The Soldier. - 3/28/2010 8:11:16 AM   
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snubmission


Was that a Freudian slip? ;-)

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RE: The Soldier. - 3/28/2010 8:22:01 AM   
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We could always talk about sub vs slave-or the 29 levels of submission? (corrected for spelling)


You're right, those are pretty bad too. This helps explain why the posting volume is greatest in POLLS AND OTHER RANDOM STUPIDITY. To your credit, you are the first to make a soldier's analogy in some time (but it did come up in "forced masculinization," and one guy got all his posts deleted for among other things, expressing anti-war sentiments.)

In this thread, I feel you have failed to put enough emphasis on uniforms and boots -- had you done that --- things might have been more lively. There's also the offshoots of "training," "rewards," "medals," "commendations," "promotions," "insubordination," "fraternization," and "latrine duty."

No mention of LATRINE DUTY yet. This could combine uniforms, boots, discipline, water sports, and scat. You'd be breaking new ground!

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