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Real0ne -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (3/30/2010 9:34:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Boy! Thank GOD this was a "Christian" militia and not a "Muslim" militia! Then Obama would be on t.v. telling us not to jump to conclusions!

Well gosh.

I think planning to kill a police office and kill more people by bombing his funeral is murder, that any such group should be raide and tried as the criminals they are.

But that's just me.


yeh its "alleged" so it gotta be twu!




jlf1961 -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (3/30/2010 11:12:21 PM)

Real, if you had been watching the news, you might have heard that the group had been infiltrated by the FBI and the raids were timed to prevent a series of violent and murderous events planned by the group.

It also probably doesnt matter to you that among the items seized were bombs and bomb making material.




rulemylife -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (3/31/2010 5:18:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


This handful of fringe radicals wasn't dangerous, they were bumbling morons who couldn't keep a secret, who immediately got caught because they went around advertising their plans (obviuosly).



Yes, much better if they didn't advertise their plans and followed through on them.  [8|]

Would you have considered them dangerous then?




kdsub -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (3/31/2010 10:30:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Its a common tactic for trolls like you to try to derail any thread thats not going the way you would like by launching such personal attacks, too.


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Sanity I'm sorry I wasn't talking about the militia...I was talking about you.

Butch



What personal attack?




Real0ne -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (3/31/2010 3:41:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Real, if you had been watching the news, you might have heard that the group had been infiltrated by the FBI and the raids were timed to prevent a series of violent and murderous events planned by the group.

It also probably doesnt matter to you that among the items seized were bombs and bomb making material.



You talking about the same guys that blew up the wtc in 1993? 

Oh yeh I believe them.  That case is still open and they refuse to hear it in court, why because it would take down the whole agency not to mention discredit the government on record in a fashion they cannot claim plausible deniability.

Thats the way it works.

If you have ever worked with people who have worked with the news or the LE et al, you would be shocked at how different the reality often is from the report.




jlf1961 -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (3/31/2010 5:11:59 PM)

They have heard the trial for the 93 wtc bombing Real. You are once again blowing smoke.

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The 1993 World Trade Center bombing occurred on February 26, 1993, when a car bomb was detonated below the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City. The 1,500 lb (680 kg) urea nitrate–hydrogen gas enhanced device was intended to knock the North Tower (Tower One) into the South Tower (Tower Two), bringing both towers down and killing thousands of people. It failed to do so, but did kill six people and injured 1,042.

The attack was planned by a group of conspirators including Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. They received financing from Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, Yousef's uncle. In March 1994, four men were convicted of carrying out the bombing: Abouhalima, Ajaj, Ayyad and Salameh. The charges included conspiracy, explosive destruction of property and interstate transportation of explosives. In November 1997, two more were convicted: Yousef, the mastermind behind the bombings, and Eyad Ismoil, who drove the truck carrying the bomb.






Real0ne -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (3/31/2010 5:47:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

They have heard the trial for the 93 wtc bombing Real. You are once again blowing smoke.

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The 1993 World Trade Center bombing occurred on February 26, 1993, when a car bomb was detonated below the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City. The 1,500 lb (680 kg) urea nitrate–hydrogen gas enhanced device was intended to knock the North Tower (Tower One) into the South Tower (Tower Two), bringing both towers down and killing thousands of people. It failed to do so, but did kill six people and injured 1,042.

The attack was planned by a group of conspirators including Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. They received financing from Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, Yousef's uncle. In March 1994, four men were convicted of carrying out the bombing: Abouhalima, Ajaj, Ayyad and Salameh. The charges included conspiracy, explosive destruction of property and interstate transportation of explosives. In November 1997, two more were convicted: Yousef, the mastermind behind the bombings, and Eyad Ismoil, who drove the truck carrying the bomb.





yeh against the patsy.  not against the fbi.  They have a 5" dossier against fbi.

a patsy is someone that is set up by some organization to take the blame for the agenda of some group.  You know you get someone who is cranked out and convince them you are helping with a sting on another party and then substitute real explosive chemicals for the fake one.

You know how it is.

You got that dumb fuck public that believes any damn thing.  Same shit different day.


here is a nice short version for you

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6612404919108240876#


you see afghan and iraq was a bit late by 10 years.







jlf1961 -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (3/31/2010 6:13:53 PM)

Real, your ability to spew unproven pure bs and rampant paranoia is beyond description.




Real0ne -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (3/31/2010 6:22:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Real, your ability to spew unproven pure bs and rampant paranoia is beyond description.



The fbi's admission isnt good enough for you?  What I dont understand is why you even get involved in ancient history as if its completely unknown.

you need to get your obsession with hyperbole looked at man.

Unproven to whom?  You?





jlf1961 -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (3/31/2010 7:52:02 PM)

Real, I keep forgetting, you believe that everyone that has been arrested for weapons, domestic terrorism, probably even the unabomber are all patsies and the real guilty party is the US Government.

I should know by now that you are going to spout conspiracy bs on everything. The only thing that I came across dealing with the FBI knowing about the attack on the wtc in 93 was, ON A FUCKING CONSPIRACY SITE.




tazzygirl -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (3/31/2010 9:50:59 PM)

~FR

For Hutaree, Web rumor stoked anger at Obama

A member of the Hutaree militia charged with federal crimes was upset because she thought that President Barack Obama had signed into law this month a bill that would spend $20 billion to help the terrorist group Hamas settle in the U.S.

There was never any such legislation, but Tina Stone believed it was the truth, according to her Facebook account.

"H.B. 1388 Passed.... It's bad news for us all," Tina Kelley, her maiden name, said on her Facebook page on March 19.

She then said in an update:

"I'm peeved,,, when people in this country is getting kicked out of there homes everyday and our government passes a bill to spend more then 20 billion dollars to bring Hamas here and supplies them with food and homes that just wrong."

On March 26, the day before the federal raid of Hutaree, she wrote at 12:21 p.m., “I'm so stressed I could KILL someone!!!!!!!”

Stone, part of a Christian militia busted by federal agents this week, apparently got the false idea from fake e-mails and Internet chatter that claimed Obama and Congress had passed H.B. 1388 to help Hamas.

According to the site factcheck.org — which tries to debunk lies on the Internet — the false rumors were generated in part from one e-mail that stated:

"Something happened... H.R. 1388 was passed yesterday, behind our backs. You may want to read about it. It wasn't mentioned on the news...Obama funds $20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the USA. This is the news that didn't make the headlines."

Stone was charged with being part of a plot to murder multiple police officers that would create a revolt against the U.S. government. Hutaree is a Christian militia that she was a part of.

http://www.freep.com/article/20100331/NEWS06/100331050/1318/For-Hutaree-Web-rumor-stoked-anger-at-Obama

Always knew the outrageous lies would cause harm.




jlf1961 -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (3/31/2010 9:54:13 PM)

But according to Real they are set up patsies and the FBI is really guilty of what these people are accused of.




tazzygirl -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (3/31/2010 10:00:25 PM)

Considering factcheck debunked this one in feb... well... these are obviously people who were lied too, bought into the lies, and got hurt in the process. i would pity them, if they werent so damn stupid to be dangerous.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/02/hamas-refugee-assistance/




jlf1961 -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (4/1/2010 12:23:29 AM)

Tazzy, you dont understand, Real is going to say it was an FBI set up, these militia members are patsies, and the FBI were the ones really planning on killing cops.

McVeigh, Nichols, the Unabomber, the guys that planned and carried out the first WTC bombing are all patsies, they really didnt do what they were tried and convicted of.

Its all an FBI conspiracy and coverup.




tazzygirl -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (4/1/2010 2:10:08 AM)

And, considering the source, that doesnt surprise me. Doesnt make him right because he considers himself "real"




Real0ne -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (4/1/2010 3:33:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Real, I keep forgetting, you believe that everyone that has been arrested for weapons, domestic terrorism, probably even the unabomber are all patsies and the real guilty party is the US Government.

I should know by now that you are going to spout conspiracy bs on everything. The only thing that I came across dealing with the FBI knowing about the attack on the wtc in 93 was, ON A FUCKING CONSPIRACY SITE.


you remind me of these shills who pick the weakest dumbest arguments from dumb people and mischaracterize the educated and qualified people who are bang on target to further your own agenda and propaganda.

Aggrandize some asshole who thinks alien lizards blew up the wtc and then use that foolishness to discredit the likes of gage chandler et al.

It was on the news, just like murrah was on the news where they reported REMOVING BOMBS FROM THE INSIDE OF MURRAH at the OK bombing incident.  Yet certain people paint it as if mcveigh was some lone terrorist when it was a black ops job.  Wanna tell me why those bombs went to sandia labs?  I couldnt imagine????????????

I suppose you cant find anything about weaver where they mowed down what the fuck was it a 11 year child and his wife while she was carrying her baby outside?

The MSM by design distracts everyone from anything that can harm the system and your ilk insist that all information must "FILTER" through MSM to be credible.

You seem to think people are fools out here.




Real0ne -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (4/1/2010 3:40:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Its all an FBI conspiracy and coverup.



get a clue already.

just one thats all you need!

the fbi blew the fucker up in 93 and blamed islam guy but the islam guy out smarted them and recorded all the conversations.

Now the fbi is on record admitting it so what the fuck have you done in your life to prosecute these fuckers?

Oh wait thats right you are a promoter.  I forgot.  None of the MSM news feeds PROVED IT TO YOU!






Sanity -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (4/1/2010 3:50:02 AM)


Ah, so it wan't a conservative personality on TV or radio at all, it was a web page.

I'm sure the apologies to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh will begin rolling in any second now...

And does this mean that kdsub will demand everyone shun the Internet, along with anyone who gets any information off of it?

[:D]


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

For Hutaree, Web rumor stoked anger at Obama

A member of the Hutaree militia charged with federal crimes was upset because she thought that President Barack Obama had signed into law this month a bill that would spend $20 billion to help the terrorist group Hamas settle in the U.S.

There was never any such legislation, but Tina Stone believed it was the truth, according to her Facebook account.

"H.B. 1388 Passed.... It's bad news for us all," Tina Kelley, her maiden name, said on her Facebook page on March 19.

She then said in an update:

"I'm peeved,,, when people in this country is getting kicked out of there homes everyday and our government passes a bill to spend more then 20 billion dollars to bring Hamas here and supplies them with food and homes that just wrong."

On March 26, the day before the federal raid of Hutaree, she wrote at 12:21 p.m., “I'm so stressed I could KILL someone!!!!!!!”

Stone, part of a Christian militia busted by federal agents this week, apparently got the false idea from fake e-mails and Internet chatter that claimed Obama and Congress had passed H.B. 1388 to help Hamas.

According to the site factcheck.org — which tries to debunk lies on the Internet — the false rumors were generated in part from one e-mail that stated:

"Something happened... H.R. 1388 was passed yesterday, behind our backs. You may want to read about it. It wasn't mentioned on the news...Obama funds $20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the USA. This is the news that didn't make the headlines."

Stone was charged with being part of a plot to murder multiple police officers that would create a revolt against the U.S. government. Hutaree is a Christian militia that she was a part of.

http://www.freep.com/article/20100331/NEWS06/100331050/1318/For-Hutaree-Web-rumor-stoked-anger-at-Obama

Always knew the outrageous lies would cause harm.




jlf1961 -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (4/1/2010 3:53:45 AM)

Real, I put about as much faith in what you spew as fact, as I do in the myth about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

Considering that the only place that has anything to do with your theories and conspiracies are BS conspiracy sites, I would give it some credit if some major ACCEPTED news agency backed your statements up.


You make all these bizarre claims that cannot be proven, that no one except conspiracy theorists put forth.

Your failure to accept reality and sticking to this insane idea that no one convicted of committing a terrorist act inside the United States actually committed the acts, that they were all patsies defies logic. For any of this to be true, there would have to be hundreds of people involved, and sooner or later someone would have talked. Money does not buy complete silence, there is nothing that can guarantee silence for any great length of time.

Give it a break, no one wants to hear or read your nonsense. You are a troll and have nothing valuable to contribute other than foolish, stupid remarks that have less to do with reality and everything to do with rampant paranoia.




Real0ne -> RE: MI militia raided by FBI (4/1/2010 5:21:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Real, I put about as much faith in what you spew as fact, as I do in the myth about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

Considering that the only place that has anything to do with your theories and conspiracies are BS conspiracy sites, I would give it some credit if some major ACCEPTED news agency backed your statements up.


You make all these bizarre claims that cannot be proven, that no one except conspiracy theorists put forth.

Your failure to accept reality and sticking to this insane idea that no one convicted of committing a terrorist act inside the United States actually committed the acts, that they were all patsies defies logic. For any of this to be true, there would have to be hundreds of people involved, and sooner or later someone would have talked. Money does not buy complete silence, there is nothing that can guarantee silence for any great length of time.

Give it a break, no one wants to hear or read your nonsense. You are a troll and have nothing valuable to contribute other than foolish, stupid remarks that have less to do with reality and everything to do with rampant paranoia.



you talk like most people that the only intelligence information you are privy too is main stream media.  That diatribe only appeals to the retards man.  Not the "in the boxers" but the "in the really tiny boxers".  Face it whats proven and whats proven to you are entirely 2 different realities and you can never prove anything to the agenda driven.  We all know that.  Faux dont push it so it cant be twu!


then there is the flip side of the coin when we talk about the king signing off.  The only thing proven is that he signed off direct legal jurisdictional control.  There is nothing in those treaties that specifically states complete relinquishment of ALL INTEREST.

You have a cute way of playing both side of the coin depending on what issue supports your rockyfeller high school approach.








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