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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 5:06:08 PM   
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I agree that a few guys discussing something on a board is not a threat, however is that the full extent of the group in the OP? I don't know.

Check points are also sometimes a necessity for safety reasons, and not necessarily a sign of martial law. I still remember the claims years ago about the colored and different shapes appearing on the backs of road signs...

I cannot comfirm or deny the existance of those camps or whether there is a continuity of plans regarding them.

Who will be vaccinated against it? Afterall, there will have to be some force that isn't sick to help clean up after the release of something like that for quelling riots. This seems more like fantasy than reality, but who knows.


I dont know anything about the busted group.

The govt has contingency plans for EVERYTHING.  We spend zillions on war planning- anything connected to war.

As far back as Reagan - it came out on congressional tesimony that there is a continuity of government plan. Everything is controlled.

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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 5:08:32 PM   
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Once more a thread has been turned into a conspiracy soapbox.


Well maybe some of us don't think everyone is life shares or plays nice.

How about we all have milk and cookies and dream about sugar plums- Wall street titans have plans for YOU.  Then done took YOUR retirement.    and you are fine with that.   You may agree to that- but I do not.

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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 5:08:33 PM   
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Once more a thread has been turned into a conspiracy soapbox.



well lets see now...

should you ever research the foundational principles of this governmental structure you would find that the government operates in fraud.  Now I have a friend that I debate with and he takes the position that they have no choice but to operate in fraud.  I see his point to an extent.

However.  For those of us who have researched this and understand that the government operates in fraud and so do most of you all by the way, to turn around and even blink an eye about government conspiracy has got to be one of th ehighest level oxymorons I have heard in a very long time.

They lie to you at every corner and you dont see the sharp stick in your eye because you are to worried about the speck in my eye.

So ok the government operates in fraud but it not a conspiracy.  Like whatever you say man.


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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 5:11:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Am I the only one who thinks this may be a stunt to cover Janet the Nappys not-inconsiderable ass, that this may be anything from an otherwise legitimate raid on deliberatelt mis-identified meth labs to a couple drunken Rambo-esque posts magnified into a full-scare full-scale attempt to jumpstart Armeggeddon?
These charges may be as inconsequential as those against O'Keefe.

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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 5:16:37 PM   
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they simply do not at any time have the authority to stop or detain you for ANY reason other than you caused an injury to another or have done some sort of property damage.  I cannot stress that strong enough.


Tell you what, next time a police officer tries to pull you over, you ignore it and see how far it gets you. Then you tell them they do not have the authority to stop you while you are being arrested for attempting to flee from a law enforcement officer.


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People allow this to go on and the next thing they will be arresting you for dissent by thinking, thought terrorism.


Unless the constitution is completely repealed, this is a moot point since it wont happen.


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The fact is these government agents are using strong arm tactics to get people into contracts with them.


There is no contract involved, they are accused of violating the law and as such are being arrested, under the law. Oh I forgot, you dont recognize the law of the US and State governments.

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Once you give them your name they can put a lien on you.  That is what they do.  Charge your account.  People who are in jail and I do mean even some of the most intelligent have somehow contracted their way in.   All crime today is commercial.


What is this nonsense? Where do you get they can put a lien on you. You are arrested, you have the chance to post bond or bail. You show up for court you or the bonding agent gets it back.

Look, I tell you what, go down to your local courthouse, stand up and tell the judge, and anyone that will listen that you do not consent to be governed, and as such you are not subject to their laws, then piss on the court room floor and see how far you get.


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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 5:21:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		RO, in a way it is comical that we try to tell the folks in several various ways that they been robbed.  We spell it out as best we can- and we get the young child  mode that they would never be unfair to me- we get mocked - told to take drugs- get called tin foil hats- - but you and I , are not the theifs.

They do not want to face that fact that their retirement had been plundered from them.

Of course- when the masses do wake up- it will be too late then.

People on this board- in a way- I could care less if they lose their life savings.
I just wish I could get my brother and family protected.

I have tried to use this as a proofing ground to get my family on board.

When my little sister was a toddler she had a tummy- ach- I told her candy did it.  She no way wanted to believe that.

That is what these people here remind me of.

--- I tell you what.  I will cut you all a deal.   If you can plot a way for my brother to buy gold- -- if you can make that happen- I will never bring it up again on this forum.   Just show me a strategy to get him in the door-

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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 5:24:15 PM   
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What is this nonsense? Where do you get they can put a lien on you. You are arrested, you have the chance to post bond or bail. You show up for court you or the bonding agent gets it back.

Look, I tell you what, go down to your local courthouse, stand up and tell the judge, and anyone that will listen that you do not consent to be governed, and as such you are not subject to their laws, then piss on the court room floor and see how far you get.



RO,

Don't explain anything.    Find something rewarding to do.  

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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 5:31:51 PM   
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I find it amusing that for a number of posters the burden of proof,as far as whether or not they were operating in a legal manner,seems to be on the actual law enforcement entities involved.
Why?

I am not exactly sure what you mean with your statement and question, if I don't answer what you are asking please clarify.

Why? Do the words innocent until proven guilty ring any bells?

Let's try a hypothetical. If I get together on a regular basis with some veterans, we discuss politics and the constitutionality of varioius laws, and over the weekend we also do some weapons training and practice; at what point are we breaking the law? If we call our group by a name, does it then become illegal? How about if we volunteer to help the local sheriff quell a riot or some other civil disturbance? Are you going to suggest that a bounty hunter has more rights than a militia?

I find it amusing that a number of posters, do not recognize the civil, historic, and legal rationale for the formation of militias. Don't misunderstand me as representing any of the hate groups that have tried to organize under that banner.
No,I guess I wasn't clear with that post...sorry about that,after the long drive yesterday my back is barking today...so pain pills...But again sorry,let me try again to make my point.
I have no problem with the theory of innocent till proven guilty....such a thing would have come in handy during the Duke Rape case...or the Acorn scandal?  ...eh,
No,my question was why isn't the same "benifit of the doubt" being afforded to the various law enforcement agencies involved here.Why isn't it assumed they had valid warrants and that those warrants were issued in good and true faith? Remember the burden of proof to obtain a warrant is not proof of guilt but a reasonable suspicion that some laws are being violated.
So all I was commenting on is the propensity of some here to.....
a)nefarious motivations behing govt activities
b)a sort of "waco" and "ruby ridge" attatchment to every Federal Law enforcement action.

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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 5:40:48 PM   
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they simply do not at any time have the authority to stop or detain you for ANY reason other than you caused an injury to another or have done some sort of property damage.  I cannot stress that strong enough.


Tell you what, next time a police officer tries to pull you over, you ignore it and see how far it gets you.

Oh now I never said ignore it now did I?

Then you tell them they do not have the authority to stop you while you are being arrested for attempting to flee from a law enforcement officer.

yep been there done that and he no longer works there and my case was thrown out.

and you were saying?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
People allow this to go on and the next thing they will be arresting you for dissent by thinking, thought terrorism.


Unless the constitution is completely repealed, this is a moot point since it wont happen.

well they are arresting you for you or detaining you because you might do something and you want me to believe the next step is unthinkable since they do not have the authority to do what they are already doing you want me to believe that because they dont have the authority to take it to the nest step they wont?

Ever log roll on a ice log?

You simply miss the essence of what I have been talking about.  maybe someone will explain it to you?
quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
The fact is these government agents are using strong arm tactics to get people into contracts with them.


There is no contract involved, they are accused of violating the law and as such are being arrested, under the law. Oh I forgot, you dont recognize the law of the US and State governments.

Again you really need to brush up on law and color of law and conrtacts etc.  really.

Of course I recognize it, its law for the citizens and those who need to be led on a leash.  nothing new there man

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Once you give them your name they can put a lien on you.  That is what they do.  Charge your account.  People who are in jail and I do mean even some of the most intelligent have somehow contracted their way in.   All crime today is commercial.


What is this nonsense? Where do you get they can put a lien on you. You are arrested, you have the chance to post bond or bail. You show up for court you or the bonding agent gets it back.

Can you walk away from it?  Is it attached to you as a detainer?  How do you think they lien a ship at port?  Its no different.  Yeh sign their bond and you just gave them incentive to really put the screws to you because you just put your "body" up for surety.


Look, I tell you what, go down to your local courthouse, stand up and tell the judge, and anyone that will listen that you do not consent to be governed, and as such you are not subject to their laws, then piss on the court room floor and see how far you get.



Well I dont say it that directly but yah I have done that too but I have this little packet of paperwork I give them (about an inch thick), proving they do not have jurisdiction.  (I assume that is what you meant by that?)

Now why would I piss on the floor and do damage to the judges property and give him a bonafide reason to have a claim against me?

Good thing I dont take your advice.


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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 6:09:25 PM   
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Well I dont say it that directly but yah I have done that too but I have this little packet of paperwork I give them (about an inch thick), proving they do not have jurisdiction.  (I assume that is what you meant by that?)

Now why would I piss on the floor and do damage to the judges property and give him a bonafide reason to have a claim against me?

Good thing I dont take your advice.



The courthouse is not the property of the judge, it is the property of the state, which you say has no jurisdiction over you. Therefore, by your argument you can do what you want and they have no right to detain or arrest you.

Actually, by your argument, you are completely with in your rights to commit any illegal activity you wish and the courts and law enforcement has no right to deal with you. Like I said, why not try it and see how far your argument gets you.



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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 6:12:32 PM   
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the UCC code.    what RO does is up there with training to be a lawyer.  therefor it can not be explained in a post.

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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 6:20:52 PM   
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Maybe if we just started another 9/11 thread,


You know, reading what people think of the law and what should be legal and opposing government--it's all an argument for a very weak country. I wonder what's taking terrorists so long--we should be easy to overthrow at this rate.

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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 6:37:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tim according to some around here...we have been overthrown already!
It was  bloodless but "they" did it anyway...they got a furriner in the White House!

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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 6:47:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm still adjusting to the fact that there's a group training a militia to fight the anti-Christ and stand ground with Jesus.

I live in the sticks in a conservative area, but even here, they'd be seen as wackos.

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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 6:50:49 PM   
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Tim according to some around here...we have been overthrown already!
It was  bloodless but "they" did it anyway...they got a furriner in the White House!


You finally  got it.    This is what TARP was all about.  We have been taken over.  We serve at the pleasure of Goldman Sachs JP Morgan...   the masses sole purpose in life is the enrich the international bankers.  Nothing else.

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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 6:58:42 PM   
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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 7:00:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		PA,I like you...really I do but I got tell you buddy I am not now, and never will, "get" anything you are peddling.
I serve at the "pleasure" of Miss Tori....and only Miss Tori.Who and what you serve is of course your business.....I do hope Msrs Sachs and Morgan are pleased with your service!

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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 7:23:04 PM   
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PA,I like you...really I do but I got tell you buddy I am not now, and never will, "get" anything you are peddling.
I serve at the "pleasure" of Miss Tori....and only Miss Tori.Who and what you serve is of course your business.....I do hope Msrs Sachs and Morgan are pleased with your service!


Need a remind you that we are officially under a state of emergency.

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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 7:25:56 PM   
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RE: MI militia raided by FBI - 3/28/2010 7:27:41 PM   
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Need a remind you that we are officially under a state of emergency.




What state of emergency are you blabbering about?

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