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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 9:12:34 AM   
acctonthelook


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Status: offline 		Even with that long story I'm still not buying it!  I have been in three relationships that I was so tuned into that person, so mentally into them and NEVER could I, even now, imagine the idea of "just pushing an orgasm out".  In fact, it sounds absolutely ridiculous!  Has anyone heard the word "Gullible"?
 
I have several times on this thread requested someone to give me and others I'm sure, the "specifics" of this so called training and no one has yet to respond...but yet there's plenty of advocates of this training...hmmm, So far I'm not a believer!!
 
Don't mean to sound negative, but I'm truly coming from a realistic point of view here. (pardon the pun, lol)  Please give me something I can bite my teeth into... PROVE IT! or I will just continue to think it's pure BS!

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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 9:16:05 AM   
BlackRobe


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Status: offline 		I would say that probably about half the submissives I have been with were either previously trained, or I have trained to come on command.  Am working on that right now with a particularly challenging young woman from Apple Valley.  I think it definitely adds to the fun

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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 9:16:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: acctonthelook
I have several times on this thread requested someone to give me and others I'm sure, the "specifics" of this so called training and no one has yet to respond...but yet there's plenty of advocates of this training...hmmm, So far I'm not a believer!!

Well you can't really give someone the specifics on how to make a woman orgasm to begin with.  Trust me, when a woman can't orgasm, people come out of the woodwork to give her all the tips and techniques you can imagine...try this toy!  try this motion!  relax!  you just don't want to!  you just need the right man! 

Every woman/man is different.  How we orgasm is very unique and I have yet to find an adequate way to find to teach someone how to orgasm.  Yes, there are good techniques out there, yes there are things a person can try.  But sometimes, it's just there or it's not- and in NO way does it somehow suggest you don't have as devoted or amazing bond with the person in your relationship just because you don't orgasm/don't orgasm a certain way.

So I don't see how it would be possible to really teach someone how to orgasm on command.  There are lots of conditioning exercises a person can try- repetition, force, habituation, etc.  A lot of people start by doing normal orgasms and then conditioning them to a specific response.  But it's all individual to the person.

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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 9:22:53 AM   
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Having an orgasm and having an orgasm with no physical stimulation is a completely different thing. 


Not really, for some, for me at least, the overwhelming need to submit to my owners causes very physical reactions.

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Again, I think cumming on command is a neat trick for some people to do- something like being able to curl your tongue.  But I think too many get caught up in not only doing it, but feeling like they've made some awesome accomplishment by doing it.  I wish people would focus more on simply enjoying their time together- not some hot orgasm.  


I believe since the original question here was whether or not it was possible to cum on command and how common it was i am simply answering the questions posed. Not stating every sub/slave must  be able to do this.

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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 9:23:38 AM   
acctonthelook


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Status: offline 		Thanks Lucky, now at least someone is realistic out there!  The way some people say they can just "do it" without any sort of mindf...k, or stimulation is just absurd to me.  This girl he was talking to...I'm sorry...Give me a break!  F-A-K-I-N-G it!!!!!!! 
 
Please I would think you'd have to be a 24/7 nympho or totally a robot to do it like one woman said half way down the hall I was coming. 
 
I guess I'm just TOO DARN REALISTIC to ever be able to do that, cum on command.  Still not a believer!

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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 9:25:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hello There,
I think cumming from things other than direct glandular contact is very possible and happens for real often. I think to cum on demand for your Dom or Master every time he wants you to is not possible for most, but faked by lots.
Sincerely,
Suzanne

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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 9:33:14 AM   
acctonthelook


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quote:

ORIGINAL: twicehappy

quote:

Having an orgasm and having an orgasm with no physical stimulation is a completely different thing. 


Not really, for some, for me at least, the overwhelming need to submit to my owners causes very physical reactions.

quote:

Again, I think cumming on command is a neat trick for some people to do- something like being able to curl your tongue.  But I think too many get caught up in not only doing it, but feeling like they've made some awesome accomplishment by doing it.  I wish people would focus more on simply enjoying their time together- not some hot orgasm.  


I believe since the original question here was whether or not it was possible to cum on command and how common it was i am simply answering the questions posed. Not stating every sub/slave must  be able to do this.

 
Now Twicehappy please take me from where I cum from LOL, I need you to be specific, call me dumb.  I'm just not getting it!
 
You say you can do this, so tell me...
quote:

Not really, for some, for me at least, the overwhelming need to submit to my owners causes very physical reactions.
What very physical reactions??????
 
quote:

Not stating every sub/slave must  be able to do this.

I can respect this though, I'm still on the Prove it to me aspect.  Since you seem to be "in the know", let me in on it.
 
Please know I'm NOT in anyway trying to be confrontational.  I'm really at a loss on this subject and I just cannot fathom the truth in any of it.  Please know I respect everyone and their opinions but please SOMEONE BE REALLY SPECIFIC!
 
 

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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 9:35:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		At this point I totally agree, mainly b/c no one can prove s...t to me. LOL

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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 9:45:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: acctonthelook


I have several times on this thread requested someone to give me and others I'm sure, the "specifics" of this so called training and no one has yet to respond...but yet there's plenty of advocates of this training...hmmm, So far I'm not a believer!!
 
Don't mean to sound negative, but I'm truly coming from a realistic point of view here. (pardon the pun, lol)  Please give me something I can bite my teeth into... PROVE IT! or I will just continue to think it's pure BS!



Here is an essay on the subject, complete with a link to the site it came from, plus two other links to sites with specific onfomation on the subject.

Source: http://www.steel-door.com/mental_conditioning.htm
Are Mental Orgasms Possible? Exploring the Mental Orgasm and the submissive...
Humans are born with hardware and software. That hardware might be considered to be the physical body and the 'direct' physical triggers and responses that are built into it. These can be the 'automatic' responses such as the rhythmic contraction of muscles used to breathe and pump blood through the heart, the blinking of eyes to keep them moist and a myriad of other maintenance tasks that the body performs continuously. The hardware is also governed by the limitations of its creation, or, it has finite dimensions due to the nature of the materials used to make it.
The software might be considered to be the mental programming platform within the brain itself. It appears that we are born with an informational base. This base is expanded by 'all' of the informational input that we receive, this includes information we may gather prior to actual birth while still being carried inside the womb. The existence of this base as an actual structure becomes evident by the individual's 'innate' ability to evaluate information and respond or make choices based on that evaluation. An example of this is when a newborn infant learns that through making sound they receive attention. Most infants evaluate this response as 'positive' and incorporate that information into their software as a usage tool. The determination of 'positive or negative' appears to be part of the base software program and not 'imposed' or learned by environment or socialization after birth.
In many ways BDSM explores the 'way' hardware and software work and interact together. Exploring the underlying preexistent built in response codes or informational bases is at the very heart of the relationships between a Dominant and a submissive. Some of the information within this base appears to be an accumulation of species survival encoding, things we as a species have learned and integrated in our effort to continue to exist. We appear to 'pass' this information in our genetic code or in some manner encourage it to exist intact as part of the necessary 'equipment' built into a new life. The strength and intensity of this encoded information does appear to vary from one bloodline to another and within that bloodline itself when certain members of a family appear to get a 'stronger mix' than others.
This software contributes to the automatic response structures of the individual. Reactions that the person does not consciously think about. A Dominant often taps into the undersurface of a sub missives mind, that area where these identical responses are held. This is an area where a submissive will react in situations where they perceive an element of 'threat'. The element of 'threat' or 'risk' often triggers them past their thought directed voluntary response chain into the area of innate responses. In many ways the 'desire' or 'need' to respond in a submissive fashion is housed in these responses. The innate 'software' of the submissive tells them that this manner of response and behavior is correct or most liable to lead to success or even more basically survival. The more often that a submissive is 'triggered' into this area the stronger their connection with these responses will become. They are not developing new responses but using ancient ones that they already possess.
A Dominant does not teach a submissive how to be submissive. A Dominant may encourage or condition preexisting responses, aiding a submissive in embracing these responses within themselves. In general you condition responses by positive reinforcement (compliments or approval) and discipline by negative reinforcement (removal of approval). A submissive knows 'how' to do everything. Reaching that information beyond all the current societal and environmental blockades is often difficult and painstaking. A Dominant has the ability through 'expression of presence' to trigger a submissive beyond or through that barrier. On each penetration the submissive will be able to connect more strongly with their underlying self. An example of this type of conditioning training is when a 'brand new submissive' is told simply to 'present' and they instinctively alter their body to an open stance of some kind. A Dominant 'reading' this information is given clues as to what type of information is possible within that submissive. An extension of the simple 'present' may be a unique enormously erotic movement of designed seductive presentation by that submissive after many sessions and experiences of positive encouragement. The Dominant simply encourages the submissive to go into their responses further. If that submissive naturally extends their arms over their head when lying down, the Dominant expresses approval of this reaction and possibly suggests a 'furthering' of the movement such as in the crossing of the sub missives wrists. This is a subtle and slow process. Attempts to force a submissive into responses not inherent within them will produce lack of comfort and a display which is inferior. Follow or Direct the clues so presented. A Dominant often has an 'instinctive' or 'innate' understanding of what they are viewing (part of their software informational base)!
Ahh, back to the topic at hand... The mental orgasm. Many sub missives have the built in capacity to orgasm through mental command. To access this reaction the Dominant needs to watch and follow the signs of intense erotic arousal within the sub missives natural responses. When the submissive is in a highly aroused state the Dominant needs to encourage the submissive in identifying where they are in their mind. This command tells the submissive to 'mark' the area. To some extent when the Dominant later tells that submissive to 'find' that place - the mind of the submissive searches (much like a computer) to obey the command.
Locating the area of physical orgasmic control is the first step. Developing the further conditioned response of triggering on command is done through repeated access of the area to strength the connections. It is important to understand that 'when' a submissive orgasms on command that it is not purely a physical release of orgasmic material, their entire body will respond, nerve endings reacting along the entire skin surface and internally as well. The experience can be so intense and 'primal' that it can be frightening for the submissive at first. In some ways it is a letting go of the full potential. The mind orgasms as well as the body. It is also important to remember that a submissive who is mentally triggered into orgasm may continue to orgasm for hours, their body cycling up and down as the button is pushed over and over inside their mind. This can become painful and even dangerous so it is important for the Dominant to remember to tell the submissive to stop.
Many submissive can bond to the command presence of their Dominant so strongly that achieving the ability to orgasm on command becomes simply part of the daily fabric of their lives. In some ways they present to their Dominant 'access' to this most intimate of pleasures by coupling the trigger to the command. This command can be utilized when the Dominant and submissive are not physically together and may be managing part of their relationship at a distance (via phone) and allow both to enjoy a direct/indirect powerful connection which separation does not inhibit. It can also serve to reinforce the bonding within the relationship.


Next 2 links on subject :
http://www.bestslavetraining.com/Behavior.htm

http://www.castlerealm.com/library/release.shtml

Not every method is used by or will work for every individual, yet the basics remain the same.

Having been in the lifestyle for 31 years i can unequivically state it is very possible to be trained in this manner. 


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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 9:58:16 AM   
Halcyone


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Status: offline 		The problem with providing proof is that it's difficult to supply cites when you're speaking of something so intimate. Unless you're right there with your fingers knuckle deep in her sex while someone trained to come on command is given that command, it's going to be near to impossible to "prove".

I'm not trained to orgasm on command. I would enjoy that with Sir but so far the firing sequence for my orgasms is long, intricate and entirely necessary.

However I don't believe that it isn't possible. There have been countless instances where I've felt, without any exterior stimulation, what seemed like a very mild orgasm that resulted from interacting with Sir. Translated, this means that there have been a number of times that he has said something or done something that didn't involve my genitals in any way and I still enjoyed a gentler version of the pleasurable spasms and incredible increase in wetness that typically marks a normal orgasm with me.

Because we're long-distance, this means that Sir has provoked  something that feels like an orgasm with purely mental efforts. I responded to him strongly enough that it  happened.

Is that proof that it's possible? For you, no. For me, I think it is. The trick will be finding the training and triggers I need to move from requiring such and such to orgasm, to requiring only his command. I have no idea if that we'll manage it consistently but half the fun will be the time spent training.

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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 10:00:08 AM   
QuietDom


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Status: offline 		Since you've included the possibility that everyone here who claims to orgasm on command is a liar, and that all those who have had a sub that did this were fooled by fake orgasms, I don't think that there's any way to 'prove' the reality of command-orgasms to your satisfaction other than by taking such a sub, slapping her into an MRI machine, ordering her to come (perhaps repeatedly) and comparing the resultant images with those from conventionally-induced orgasms.

I don't have access to an MRI machine, so I can't help you.

As for me, I've played several times with a sub that had been so trained, I'm satisfied that it was real, and I like it very much.  That's good enough for me.

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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 10:29:40 AM   
fyreredsub


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Status: offline 		part of the specifics of this training is called....
Master owns and commands what is his...

i dont 'just push' anything out.........

i got my ass smacked or pinched enough times for coming with out begging,
i learned thro the word 'release' when it  is allowed...

still working on the rest (without physical closeness)but if someone has truly captured your mind and body...
its SEEMS only natural to me ....for it to obey ...for Master use and pleasure...

i guess until a Master has that kind of power over your mind and body

you stay skeptical*shrugs*
quote:

ORIGINAL: acctonthelook

Even with that long story I'm still not buying it!  I have been in three relationships that I was so tuned into that person, so mentally into them and NEVER could I, even now, imagine the idea of "just pushing an orgasm out".  In fact, it sounds absolutely ridiculous!  Has anyone heard the word "Gullible"?
 
I have several times on this thread requested someone to give me and others I'm sure, the "specifics" of this so called training and no one has yet to respond...but yet there's plenty of advocates of this training...hmmm, So far I'm not a believer!!
 
Don't mean to sound negative, but I'm truly coming from a realistic point of view here. (pardon the pun, lol)  Please give me something I can bite my teeth into... PROVE IT! or I will just continue to think it's pure BS!


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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 10:31:23 AM   
acctonthelook


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ORIGINAL: twicehappy
Here is an essay on the subject, complete with a link to the site it came from, plus two other links to sites with specific onfomation on the subject.

Source: http://www.steel-door.com/mental_conditioning.htm

Next 2 links on subject :
http://www.bestslavetraining.com/Behavior.htm

http://www.castlerealm.com/library/release.shtml

Not every method is used by or will work for every individual, yet the basics remain the same.

Having been in the lifestyle for 31 years i can unequivically state it is very possible to be trained in this manner. 



WELL SHUT MY MOUTH!!!  THANK YOU!!!
LOL
Now those are links I sunk my teeth into! 
 
I can only begin to dream of finding a Master who is willing to go into such training!  I really enjoyed B.E.S.T. and the CastleRealm!  See now why is it that everyone was just beating around the bush! Now these are facts!  Thank you!
 

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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 10:34:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		maybe its a Master/slave thang as opposed to Dom/sub..........*shrugs*

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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 10:37:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub
maybe its a Master/slave thang as opposed to Dom/sub..........*shrugs*

No, because plenty of vanilla people can orgasm without physical stimulation as well. 

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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 10:39:20 AM   
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Has anyone heard the word "Gullible"?
 


I have. :)  I believe that 'others' believe that's what's happening to them. I had my first r/t session almost 24 years ago and I've probably attended, oh.. conservatively speaking, about 200 play parties in those years and I've never once seen it happen. I, personally, have a 'hair trigger clit' as Himself calls it. I can go from zero to 60 in about 45 seconds. Not very satisfying, but with a new battery in the vibe, very doable and it is better than watching the commercials when Survivor is on. :) Given a choice between coc and alien abduction, I'd rather be abducted by aliens. I just don't think either one of those is actually going to happen to me.

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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 10:45:06 AM   
acctonthelook


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ORIGINAL: QuietDom

Since you've included the possibility that everyone here who claims to orgasm on command is a liar, and that all those who have had a sub that did this were fooled by fake orgasms, I don't think that there's any way to 'prove' the reality of command-orgasms to your satisfaction other than by taking such a sub, slapping her into an MRI machine, ordering her to come (perhaps repeatedly) and comparing the resultant images with those from conventionally-induced orgasms.

I don't have access to an MRI machine, so I can't help you.

As for me, I've played several times with a sub that had been so trained, I'm satisfied that it was real, and I like it very much.  That's good enough for me.


I'm sorry to have come across as saying as if ppl were liars, that was not my intention at all!  I only was trying to question HOW? can this be achieved?  and Twicehappy surely did that for me.  Ty again!
 
I now understand that it's not just "saying" something but more in a combination of slave training, domination, a dom learning my responses just prior to orgasm, total control over my time and space factors, daily actions, privacy and relationship controls, and release training.
 
I am a student by nature and when someone says something as fact, I need that proof in the pudding, so to speak to understand something. 
 
Now my frustration can rest easy!  I GET IT NOW! 
 
 

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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 10:46:03 AM   
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 See now why is it that everyone was just beating around the bush! Now these are facts!  Thank you!
 


Not to burst your bubble here, but those are op-ed's on training pieces, not facts so don't be disappointed if they don't work.

Celeste

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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 10:46:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: acctonthelook

Even with that long story I'm still not buying it!  I have been in three relationships that I was so tuned into that person, so mentally into them and NEVER could I, even now, imagine the idea of "just pushing an orgasm out".  In fact, it sounds absolutely ridiculous!  Has anyone heard the word "Gullible"?
 
I have several times on this thread requested someone to give me and others I'm sure, the "specifics" of this so called training and no one has yet to respond...but yet there's plenty of advocates of this training...hmmm, So far I'm not a believer!!
 
Don't mean to sound negative, but I'm truly coming from a realistic point of view here. (pardon the pun, lol)  Please give me something I can bite my teeth into... PROVE IT! or I will just continue to think it's pure BS!


LOL

"I don't mean to sound so negative, but you are full of shit!!!"  Okay that's funny.

i don't need to prove to you or anyone what goes on in my mind, spirit and body.  However, if it is that critically important to you, you are welcome to purchase a flight from Florida to California, and ask my Master for a demonstration. 

~ Edited to add:  Believe and it can happen.  Disbelieve and it may not.

< Message edited by ownedgirlie -- 4/6/2006 10:47:53 AM >

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RE: Cum on command - 4/6/2006 10:49:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL  acctonthelook


Now Twicehappy please take me from where I cum from LOL, I need you to be specific, call me dumb.  I'm just not getting it!
 
You say you can do this, so tell me...



I wish I could wave a magic wand and have you comprehend this one. I can only describe it.

Tell me, are you collared? If not I could refer you to a few Dominants who do this type of training. If you are, have your Master send an email to my owners, either of them (ScooterTrash or ShiftedJewel), requesting permission to speak with me and i will provide him with contacts to people/groups where he may learn how to train you in this technique.

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What very physical reactions??????


Before a woman reaches an orgasm, their body becomes increasingly excited. Breathing, heart rate and blood pressure increases. The pupils of the eyes dilate; the lips of the mouth darken, the nipples become erect, the clitoris swells, becomes hard and exposed, (much like the aroused penis). With increased excitement, the skin becomes flushed and it begins to sweat. In women, the labia, clitoris, vagina and pelvic organs enlarge in very much the same way as the aroused penis enlarges.

Orgasm is the point at which all the tension is suddenly released in a series of involuntary and pleasurable muscular contractions that may be felt in the vagina and/or uterus.

The orgasm happens when excitement seems to go over the edge -- a climax or crescendo is reached which may last several seconds or longer. During orgasm the body stiffens and the muscles contract. Involuntary muscle contractions and spasms may occur in various parts of the body, including your legs, stomach, arms, and back. The muscles of the vagina relax and contract rapidly, as do the muscles of the uterus. The glands of the vagina (Bartholin's glands) discharge a watery secretion, (in certain women this can be quite copious, these individuals are commonly known as squirters) which acts to lubricate the vagina.

Not every woman will experience all of these physical reactions; most will experience at least some of them in varying degrees of intensity.

Most Dom/dommes should be able to observe these very real physical changes, provided of course that they are actually paying attention.



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