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RE: Cum on command - 4/16/2006 11:57:47 AM   
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to let some one in your subconscious brain, willingly, takes more trust then i knew exsisted.  Just imagine what they could do to you....

Cum on command? 

You could be told to cum on command driving.. have an accident
Cum on command infront of your boss.. possibly get you fired
Neighbors house in mid conversation.. get black balled from the neighborhood
After being pulled over and talking to a cop..

yeaaaaaaaaaaah i can see tons of ways where giving some one that sort of control and power over you could possibly lead to some really negative life altering changes.  Possibly.. and you really want to "possibly" give some one the ability to do that to you?



In my previous collar of 18 years, yes, i gave up that kind of control. Before accepting a collar i am absolutely 100% positive i can trust my owner.

After 6 years spent in mourning and searching i again fell and hard to my current owners a Dom/Domme couple. I 100% trust them also.

After all what you are implying here is that by giving up this control something horrible could happen to you. If you wish to pursue a lifestyle relationship with that type of mentality how or why would one submit at all.

If your owner wished to hurt you in some life altering manner once you were bound they could just as easily (without nearly as much effort spent on training you to cum on command) cut your throat. Better yet just imagine all the mind f***'s possible to play with a sub that are effortless.

Either i trust them with my entire being, accept the collar and surrender the totality of me or i do not.



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RE: Cum on command - 4/16/2006 12:15:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Excellently put.  Either i trust him or i don't.  If i do, i have no worries.  If i don't, i should not be his. (this is becoming my new mantra, lol).

Actually Master amuses himself watching me try to do this unnoticeably while in places such as...a crowded Starbuck's, in the grocery check out line, in the company of my friends, once while getting a pedicure (during which my friend looked at me and asked, "Are you okay?  You're shaking and your face is red.")

If i dare suggested he would harm me by having me orgasm...it would be my last orgasm.

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RE: Cum on command - 4/16/2006 12:52:24 PM   
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yeaaaaaaaaaaah i can see tons of ways where giving some one that sort of control and power over you could possibly lead to some really negative life altering changes.  Possibly.. and you really want to "possibly" give some one the ability to do that to you?



There is many many ways to which power over someone can equate to a misuse or abuse of such power that would result in some really negative life altering changes.  It comes down to Trust... in someone will use that power in postive and benevolent manner.

However, It has been my experience that Trust starts with oneself first.  You can claim trust in another all you want... but first and foremost.. you must Trust your perception and judgement of the person you claim to trust.  If you doubt your judgments and preceptions... these doubts will surface in the trust you have for another sooner or later.  When you start to preceive the Risk beyond the Trust... the doubts will start to undermine the relationship.

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RE: Cum on command - 4/16/2006 2:49:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		What you say Knight is so true. i know exactly who and what i am; i am comfortable with myself. I have always relied heavily on my 6th sense about people.  

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RE: Cum on command - 4/16/2006 9:07:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		lolz - i didnt mean to get into a debate about trust!  Probably a personal issue   Just to me, letting some one that deep into your head is extremely scary.  i try not to forget things that scare the crap out of me.. but it does happen on occasion.. like that big tree that half way up to my goal to "perch" out on, i remember i'm seriously afraid of heights.  lolz  But of course i'm not a quitter. To me letting some one in your head is the one of the biggest, scariest things i could imagine, to let them in at such a level is past your own monitering.. yeeeeeeah well. 

Knight i wont disagree with you.  One has to trust oneself first.  i do a poor job at that.  Comes from making large mistakes when its about judging others.  Yes, it creates problems.  But then i've been very wrong about many ppl in the past and been totally screwed over so well i trust that i'm not always right = ) 

Twice i'm happy and confident in myself.  Some areas more then others.  i've a 6th sense about ppl and at times i'm wrong.  i am unfortunetly not always right!  You're also right, if my owner wished to hurt me could.  He could have quite easily killed me many times over now.  That doesnt mean, people dont do unintentional things.  Nor do they make errors.  Tell me, have you're past and previous Owners never made a mistake?  We're they perfect?  Any MasterMistresses here ever make ANY mistakes that had negative side effects for the one under you? Sometimes circumstances are everything.  As i've seen through out life, things just happen.

Lets say........

1.30 is usually lunch time at work for you.. usually never fails.
your Owner calls you at 1.40 thinking he's got a suprise..
and of course your wearint that skirt with no panties
and for some reason today of all days your boss wanted a meeting and pushed lunch our fwd
your owner says the magic words for a cum hard
and you puddle infront of your boss.. dripping down the legs
wrap it up you get fired
whatcha gonna tell your next boss about why you were fired?

Random accidents arent really random.  They happen all the time as well.  You didnt know he'd say the magic words and he didnt know you werent on lunch.. yeah well.. with out a job.. bills well.. you got problems.

So aside from trusting the person, you might also try trusting life too.  Bungee jumping.. generally is safe.. but oh geez, every now and then.. something screws up.  Life happens. 

Intentional, unintentional the consequences are the same.  Really.  The only difference is one is forgivable while the other is not.  Granted this life is full of risk.  Sorry to be a brat but i make calculated risks.  Yes i calculate out my risks.  Yes, i'm wrong at times.  Other people are wrong at times too.  Saaaaaaaaay.. your Owner thought it would be "fun" to do cum on command  at the wrong time and wrong place.  His calculations were wrong. 

So to sum it up, what i am hearing is that - in your relationships you know absolutetly 100% nothing will ever go wrong?  Your Owner will never go wrong and will never make a mistake.  Personally, to me you're calling them Perfect and unfortunetly nobody is perfect.  You are also calling yourselves perfect and if you feel you are then, you feel you are. 

Personally, i'd rather have his hands wrapped around my throat.  In an odd way i'm there and he's there, both knowing excatly whats going on, him knowing excatly what he's doing.  Calculated risks and all.  As i do not see any unintentional possible harm done.  As i do trust his ability very much and lolz i've tested it out as often as he will.  Its one place i never ever worry. 

Unintentional or intentional.. the consequences are all the same. 

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RE: Cum on command - 4/16/2006 9:31:36 PM   
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After all what you are implying here is that by giving up this control something horrible could happen to you. If you wish to pursue a lifestyle relationship with that type of mentality how or why would one submit at all.


Something horrible could happen to me.  My ceiling could cave in, a car could come through the window.    You could also ask me, why would i want to pursue life with that kind of attitude?  i would say, some things you could calculate and some things you cant.  Some things no one can calculate.  That is one you really cant calculate the possible negative affects of. 

For me, personally, having some one that deep in your head its an uncalculatable risk.  Did you read the thread about learning to trust again?  Baby steps, try it out.. see how well it goes move on.  Not a step i'm willing to make.  Calculated risks.. Like i said, it could be a personal issue   

Hypnotism will probably never fully work with me.  Uncalculatable risk.  Just like letting some one snap my neck.  Ever had a chriropractor snap your neck and jump back in suprise and fear and ask you if you're okay after words literally hugging you? For me, something that is not wise to do to that degree.

Being tied up, blindfolded, hooded  Scares the ever liven crap out of me.  Master used to ask me as when in the begining i would shake in fear.. what i was afraid of.  All i could say was.. what if .  Atleast with some semblence of control on my part.. i can react.  i still have some control over my safety.  Yes, there are many times in life when you will need control over your own safety.  i have saved my life many times on the pure fact that in a tough spot i think and react faster then the speed of light.  Hood me, take out me out the picture, tie me up.. what is anyone going to do when that car comes through your bedroom wall (and it does happen)  lift the bed/stable up so yer not run over?  No.. rather your Owners will with immense strength stop the moving vehicule some drunk fell asleep in.  Or, i've a better one they're going to jump on the bed to save you and go under with you?  Gee.. how much smarter is it to not be tied up in the first place?

Life happens folks and really, it happens quite alot.  You, (and i mean anyone who wants to) can trust life not happening all you want.  But for me, i am not about to put myself in a situation (life) where my safety is 100% in some one elses hands.  For me, i despise it and it scares the crap out of me.

Which is of course why when i mentioned my response to Him, he got a wicked grin and said "sounds like great idea"  Prolly also why he loves to to hood me.

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RE: Cum on command - 4/17/2006 1:43:33 AM   
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Lets say........

1.30 is usually lunch time at work for you.. usually never fails.
your Owner calls you at 1.40 thinking he's got a suprise..
and of course your wearint that skirt with no panties
and for some reason today of all days your boss wanted a meeting and pushed lunch our fwd
your owner says the magic words for a cum hard
and you puddle infront of your boss.. dripping down the legs
wrap it up you get fired
whatcha gonna tell your next boss about why you were fired?


It wouldn't happen in my case, because if i had a meeting and lunch was pushed out, i would send him a quick IM or text message saying so, and he would know. Also, when he calls me at work, the first things he says, without fail is, "What are you doing, and who is around you?"  He works for a living too, and knows that work routines can change at the drop of a dime.  Your example would assume the Master wouldn't think about your surroundings and/or well being.

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So to sum it up, what i am hearing is that - in your relationships you know absolutetly 100% nothing will ever go wrong?  Your Owner will never go wrong and will never make a mistake.  Personally, to me you're calling them Perfect and unfortunetly nobody is perfect.  You are also calling yourselves perfect and if you feel you are then, you feel you are. 

Actually, things do go wrong on rare occasion, and then he fixes it.  But i do not hold my submission back based on the risk that something might go wrong.  i am either in his hands, or i'm not.  i would not have begged his collar if i did not trust him completely; in fact i was not allowed to do so until then.

i'm not trying to be argumentative.  Just saying, as you said, there are calculated risks.  More often than not, everything goes right.  Since i know he always thinks ahead before commanding anything of me, i live with the minimal risk.  i have a higher chance of getting into a car accident than i do of losing my job because of an orgasm. :)

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RE: Cum on command - 4/17/2006 1:47:17 AM   
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For me, personally, having some one that deep in your head its an uncalculatable risk.  Did you read the thread about learning to trust again?  Baby steps, try it out.. see how well it goes move on.  Not a step i'm willing to make.  Calculated risks.. Like i said, it could be a personal issue   


i do see what you're saying.  If you are frightened to trust and have not overcome those pains, than this indeed is quite a fear.  It takes time to trust.  What i posted about my own relationship did not occur overnight by any means.  i did not intend to imply that a submissive should trust 100% right off the bat.  Such a trust, to allow someone that deeply into your mind, takes time and effort (on the part of both Dominant and submissive) to build.  i respect where you're coming from, and was only trying to point out what can happen once you reach this side of that trust, with the right person (that is the critical part!!).

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RE: Cum on command - 4/17/2006 2:06:09 AM   
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More often than not, everything goes right.


i suppose i am on the other end and this is where we differ.  i've been in too many situations where things have gone wrong.. of course both intentionally and unintentionally, but too many unintentionally to know that humans are fallible.  Even the best.  Yes, i'm in his hands but i'm also in my hands. As i hold no one 100% responsible for everything said in done when it comes to me.  i hold myself responsible for me.  myself responsible for my safety, my actions, ect.  In fact, wouldnt you say that thinking out risks is also in a way serving your Owner?  As no one is perfect?  You are looking out to keep their property safe are you not?  Owners arent perfect.  We all know they need abit of help, and in giving that help its a service.  So whats wrong with looking out with them,  indeed their best interest of no harm coming to their property? 

If your Owner, tells you to do something and then you go and to do it, before you do it, you see an uncaluclated risk.  Do you know it?  Noooo.. you go back to your Owner and tell them.  LOL  thats all i'm techincally doing.  i see alot of risk, so (and i have) i've gone and told him.  Granted if he chooses to have me to do so, once he gets past the block in my head when it comes to hypnotism, i'll be done right away - ) i just personally think there is alot of risk involved. 

But then, if i told you "bungee" jumping has alot of risk involved and its not for me, but Master loves it.  So what if Master is an expert when it comes to bungee jumping.  Would you really disagree with me that my Master is infallible in the handling of it?  Same thing, switch the activity (with a generally aggreed upon risky activity).  i would probably get the responses back like "i think its fine, but if you think its unsafe.. more power to you"  or something like that.  Of course there would be people saying "i bungee jump all the time and actually the risk of dying is really quite low, i feel completely confident in the activity"   Whch is what i got back. 

And with this cum on command - what i basically view it as is, going bungee jumping every single day of my life (as long as i'm with him.. and even longer if i never know the words.. which i wouldnt), blind folded and restrained.  Just imagine every day for 25 years of doing that.  You really going to tell me that something "most likely" wont happen?  Change the activity if you so desire.  Go wrestle with alligators hooded with that aussie dude.  i just find it highly illogical to take another capable person out of the picture so that if some thing DOES happen, there arent two ppl to stop it from happening. 

lol and i'm not argueing, i'm debating - )

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RE: Cum on command - 4/17/2006 2:15:52 AM   
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i do see what you're saying. If you are frightened to trust and have not overcome those pains, than this indeed is quite a fear. It takes time to trust. What i posted about my own relationship did not occur overnight by any means. i did not intend to imply that a submissive should trust 100% right off the bat. Such a trust, to allow someone that deeply into your mind, takes time and effort (on the part of both Dominant and submissive) to build. i respect where you're coming from, and was only trying to point out what can happen once you reach this side of that trust, with the right person (that is the critical part!!).

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LOL  ok thanks.  And i can sort of see where you are coming from.  i say sort of as, its not something i could possibly fathom willingly do.  Granted i get pushed to do things i can fathom doing.. (which is why i said willingly)  If you noticed in my first post, it would take more trust then i knew exsisted.  LOL.  i'm glad you and everyone else knows it exsists lol. Not that i wasnt sure that it did.  As many ppl have done it.  Maybe i forgot to put "in my opionon" on my first post?  As i hadnt intended to put down anyone else, or tell them they're wrong for doing it.  Only that i just do not see it right or even possible for me.  i only say possible as with hypnotism i actually have to let it happen.  Which as we tried the fact that the deeper i went the harder it became for me to breathe, was just screwing it all up.  Its not something you can just hold on and tough out.  Agreed, i;m sure you and tons other here have more trust then i could even fathom.. not even a light at the end of the tunnel sort of fathom.  Ahh.. i just think its crazy lol.  Not that there arent tons of things ppl do that i think its crazy, i suppose its just something i have a strong belief on and my intention wasnt ment to put down the activity or anyone that does it.

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RE: Cum on command - 4/17/2006 2:31:50 AM   
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If you are frightened to trust and have not overcome those pains


lolz  its not painful to be frightened to trust.

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RE: Cum on command - 4/17/2006 3:36:39 AM   
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You want pedantic?

Crescendo is a slow/gradual rising, usually referenced in sound.  Climax is simply the point of greatest or culminating energy.  Agreed that the words "crescendo" and "climax" do not seem to naturally sit well together, and certainly aren't synonyms, they don't seem to be antonyms either.  A climax can occur from and reach the point of most intensity slowly.  Not to mention, a climax at a particular time/scene can be a point of crescendo into a different climax later on.

Thanks for the pedantic distraction :)


:)  No, they are not antonyms, which is why I said they mean 'almost' the opposite.  'Crescendo' is an Italian word meaning 'growing'.  A climax is a culmination of a growing process.  A crescendo implies a movement from one state into another, whereas a climax is a peak.   To me, the two things are almost opposite.

Any time you feel like a bit of pedantry, you know where to come.  ;-)

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RE: Cum on command - 4/17/2006 7:30:34 AM   
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i just find it highly illogical to take another capable person out of the picture so that if some thing DOES happen, there arent two ppl to stop it from happening. 



Yet that is exactly what you do every single time you let him tie you up.


Let me ask you a question here. If you were bound so tightly it had taken your Master over 1/2 hour to get you that way and the house caught fire, do you trust that he will get you out on time? Or do you think he would run screaming and allow you to burn?

Now put aside your own fears of being mentally invaded and controlled, look at this subject from outside your box, pretend you are Mr.Spock and think logically.

If you think your Master would save you 1st and you credit him with having enough intelligence to think before he let instinct take over. Why do you find it so hard to believe he would use the same kind of thought process before placing you in a precarious position by having you under mental control enough to make you cum on command thereby causing you to be involved in any one of the horrible scenarios you keep painting as an inevitable consequence of him having this power over you?


I also feel the need to tell you i typed quite a long response to your original answer to me in which you assumed quite a bit about what i was saying in a very insulting manner, i.e.; your comments about me thinking i was perfect etc...
Which let me tell you i took as a highly personal attack. Not to mention i take exception to people putting words in my mouth, or taking it upon themselves to "interpret" what i said. I always say exactly what i mean, if i had meant to say "perfect", trust me i would have.

I simply did not have time to finish said post due to being required elsewhere by my owners. Now i am glad i did not.(I  will admit when I feel attacked or provoked I tend to react claws bared to defend myself, something my owners are working on. Lol, just goes to prove no matter your age or experience there is always something to learn.)

Because i realize what you were doing is lashing out at me due to the fact that i touched upon a deep fear inside your brain. That is understandable, we all have those fears. And human nature often dictates we fight that which consciously or unconsciously threatens us in a heretofore unknown manner.

Part of being a sub/slave is having our Masters take us into that dark place we all hide inside and holding our hand while forcing us to face and explore it. Perhaps in time as you grow and develop as a person and a sub/slave this one is a fear you will conquer, perhaps not. Each to his own level of comfort and need. I tend to forget at my age and level of experience what it was like to have those fears untouched as of yet.

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Yes, i'm in his hands but i'm also in my hands. As i hold no one 100% responsible for everything said in done when it comes to me.  i hold myself responsible for me.  myself responsible for my safety, my actions, ect.  In fact, wouldnt you say that thinking out risks is also in a way serving your Owner? 


No, i reached a stage in my life long ago where i understood that for me at least total surrender meant exactly that. My owners (past and present) would take that behavior as a lack of trust and surrender. They want and do posses the totality of me, not just my body. It is their job to safe guard their property.

Again, either i trust them implicitly or i do not.




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