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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/1/2010 11:17:33 PM   
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A vanilla would be humiliated to wear an animal collar.
A submissive would be proud to wear their partner's collar.

I didn't realize automatically that all goth folks were kinky. Who knew?

If only that were true! Imagine all those cute little goths as potential slaves.

Are goth vanilla or is their subculture considered outside the vanilla world?


For those who read shit as technically perfect, please understand that I'm not a PC kinda guy and LadyPact was joking about my loosely worded reply.

I don't bother watering down my comments with disclaimers like “most vanilla would be humiliated” nor will I mention that “not all submissives wear collars”. You also wont find me saying, “of those that do wear collars, not all feel proud to wear their partner's collar, but on the chance occasion those that do feel pride, may or may not be less humiliated than a vanilla non goth in the same collar”.

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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/2/2010 2:00:20 AM   
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.... should not be allowed to touch you through a hazmat suit with a fishing rod mounted on a bargepole.

Also, you might be surprised at the stuff that you think will bother you which actually doesn't-DickSteel's got a point, although he coulda been a bit nicer about expressing it-maybe take it for a test-drive before you dismiss it?

I love the whole hazmat imagery!

About being nicer, the naivety of the OP is glaringly prudish. A vivid verbal comment, whether about about nuns, prudes or even hazmat suits, only serves to get her attention. I believe I shed some light by showing the contrast of her perspective. Actually, I'm not sure I could have been nicer.

She is a little cutie, apparently with big boobs too! If her capacity for passion is half as intense as the look in her eyes, she is wasting her perfectly good inner slut while it collects dust in a closet.



I didn't find your reply either nice or mean but rather witty...you made your point and made me laugh as well.

I do however, fail to understand your assumption that I'm a prude or that my "inner slut"

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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/2/2010 2:20:19 AM   
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I'm curious... Within BDSM there seems to be a lot, of what in the vanilla world, would be considered derogatory language in regards to subs/slaves.

If someone were to say to me "get me a beer slut" my first reaction is "fuck you" as opposed to "can you grab me a beer" which I'll happily do.

So my questions are...

Is this just the way things are said online and it's different in real life or is this standard terminology in BDSM?

subs/slaves... If you are spoken to in that manner how do you respond... is it positive in confirming your status, do you like it???

Doms/Dommes/Masters/ Mistress's.... Does it help to establish a boundary, of keeping a person in their place?

Or is it just a bunch of words and no one gives it much thought?


I have many names that I refer to my girl, and a few of them are private.  When I say "slut" or some other seemingly derogatory word, she is usually turned on by that, or I find myself confirming this when she lets me know that she's "my slut" (with always a twinkle in her eye mind you...).  What may be derogatory to one person, isn't to another.  She and I are proud of words or connotations like that.  Others would probably think not so good of that.  However: 
     1.  I choose those words when I feel like it and very much when we are alone and in private.  I also consider her a lady and respect her, and choose not to share those publicly and bringing the public into my play. 
     2.  Even though I am in charge, if she didn't like those words being used; then I wouldn't use them.  There are far worse words and phrases that can be used that I wouldn't dare or dream of using on her or anyone.  I'm just not that kind of person and feel these would be an attack...and besides name-calling is immature on that level (maybe back when I was kid or something...). 


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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/2/2010 2:47:54 AM   
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I didn't find your reply either nice or mean but rather witty...you made your point and made me laugh as well.

I do however, fail to understand your assumption that I'm a prude or that my "inner slut"
is going to waste...it is possible to have a good kinky sex life outside of BDSM.

What you fail to realize is how some of the posts on this site come across to a newby that hasn't yet grasped the sarcasm and humour.

Would you get the humour of a group of physisists? Not until you understood what they were talking about. I'm in that position, I donlt understand enough to get the humour...but I'm getting there.

As far as a test drive goes... try living on a tiny island in the middle of the med with no BDSM community, organization or club. I don't know one person who is into this lifestyle so the CM is the only place for me to get info and hopefully meet someone.

It's a bit strange for a 50 year old woman to see herself referred to as a little cutie... but thank you.

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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/2/2010 3:03:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DickSteel

I love the whole hazmat imagery!
Why thankyou

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About being nicer, the naivety of the OP is glaringly prudish.
I disagree. She's new to a community and she's asking a question about whether something she's encountered is a cultural norm or the preserve of some HNG's-it was a fair question, and she isn't being flouncy or dramatic.


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A vivid verbal comment, whether about about nuns, prudes or even hazmat suits, only serves to get her attention. I believe I shed some light by showing the contrast of her perspective. Actually, I'm not sure I could have been nicer.
She's *new*-not stupid or slow. You can get her attention by, you know, typing? She'll read what you say.

Clearly she wasn't mortally offended, but you were kinda harsh.

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She is a little cutie, apparently with big boobs too! If her capacity for passion is half as intense as the look in her eyes, she is wasting her perfectly good inner slut while it collects dust in a closet.
If you think that a dislike of the word slut means she's wasting her inner one, then you have been banging the wrong women.


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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/2/2010 3:49:41 AM   
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To anyone that I didn´t directly reply to...  I appreciate your taking the time to answer, there has been a good variety of answers and I´ve taken them all on board. 

Leadership, you´re always so personal with your replies and I appreciate the use of your and Carols personal experiences in giving me advice. 

VC I always appreciate your replies, honest direct and patient.

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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/2/2010 7:19:00 AM   
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I didn't find your reply either nice or mean but rather witty...you made your point and made me laugh as well.

I do however, fail to understand your assumption that I'm a prude or that my "inner slut"

I am glad you see my replies in the light in which they are given. When I said I couldn't be nicer, I was sincere in that I didn't think I was being mean.

I stand corrected. You certainly may not be a prude. Your reaction to certain "terms of endearment” seems a bit prudish. Some girls would get hot if they heard "get me a beer slut". If you asked a slave of mine if she was a slut, she would reply that she is the best slut she could be and studying for a degree in whoredom. She might retort that she is not merely a slut but a cock sucking, ass licking, cum whore slut.

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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/2/2010 7:35:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jbcurious

To anyone that I didn´t directly reply to...  I appreciate your taking the time to answer, there has been a good variety of answers and I´ve taken them all on board. 

Leadership, you´re always so personal with your replies and I appreciate the use of your and Carols personal experiences in giving me advice. 

VC I always appreciate your replies, honest direct and patient.



prude...(?)



*snickers*

Forget the beer slut, I've changed my mind


In context that means go find a "beer slut". Look in the usual beer slut places, bars, parties, you know. Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with beer sluts and I don't understand why people get so weirded out by them.

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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/2/2010 7:43:23 AM   
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I am glad you see my replies in the light in which they are given. When I said I couldn't be nicer, I was sincere in that I didn't think I was being mean.

I stand corrected. You certainly may not be a prude. Your reaction to certain "terms of endearment” seems a bit prudish. Some girls would get hot if they heard "get me a beer slut". If you asked a slave of mine if she was a slut, she would reply that she is the best slut she could be and studying for a degree in whoredom. She might retort that she is not merely a slut but a cock sucking, ass licking, cum whore slut.


I´ve always enjoyed the juxtaposition of appearing to be quite conservative and like to be "lady like" in public... while knowing what I am inside and enjoy the response of people who take the time to dig beneath the surface.

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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/2/2010 7:45:32 AM   
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prude...(?)



*snickers*

Forget the beer slut, I've changed my mind


In context that means go find a "beer slut". Look in the usual beer slut places, bars, parties, you know. Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with beer sluts and I don't understand why people get so weirded out by them.


You have the advantage of having known me and my posts for 3 years... you have indeed done these poor people a disservice by introducing me to this site...

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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/2/2010 7:58:06 AM   
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It's all about humiliation. ...

Along the same lines, a vanilla would be humiliated to be called a slut, bitch, cunt, whore, slave, boy, girl, puppy, pony, kitten, baby, prisoner, pig etc. Most submissive's with an active libido find all that quite stimulating and they a quite happy to hear their partner call them buy these names. Most Dominants get arroused by using these names, especially in the heat of passion. It makes them both cum harder. So, take your inexperienced little cunt on a test drive and try it, you'll like.

I don't see anything humiliating about "baby," "kitten" or "girl," and a lot of vanilla people use those, too. So far, I haven't been drawn to verbal humiliation like "slut" or "whore" on either side of things. It's not a hard limit, but it comes across very role-playish and a little stilted. I don't think I'd be humiliated at all by being called a slut or a whore - if it were said in a nasty tone of voice, rather than affectionate or "hot talk" I might get offended or argumentative. I don't think being hot for *MY* Master (or for my partner in past relationships) makes me a whore or a slut, it makes me sexual with *him*. There's nothing wrong with other people being into casual sex, or even being sex workers, but it's not my style.

jbcurious, if my Master decided to call me anything - slut, whore, doormat, or whatever, I'm sure he could use tone and what he was combining it with to make it hot, or to at least be a positive experience in some way. If he kept associating it with pleasure, it's even possible that it would turn me on all by itself. Or, I could be surprised and find that though the idea of it doesn't turn me on at all, the reality does - that's happened with a lot of other things. Online, with someone I have no connection to, someone calling me one of those names would make me cross them off of my list of potentials. I'm the opposite of most of the others here - I wouldn't mind it at all as an endearment outside of play, but I *think* I'd be a little taken aback/distracted/at least momentarily turned off in the heat of play. That's certainly no time to argue semantics, though, so I'd just carry on as best as I could, and think about it/talk with him about it later. When I was looking, if someone had "humiliation" on their profile, I asked them to clarify what their needs and expectations were in that area. Some people considered kneeling, crawling, and giving blowjobs to be humiliating! *giggles* I've been doing BDSM and/or D/s in one form or another, in person, for about 16 years now, and it has never really come up for me. There are other people here who get into humiliation play right off the bat. Keep an open mind, figure out what works for you and what doesn't, take your time getting to know and trust the person, make sure they are reasonable and fair, and you should both be fine regardless of the specific details of the kinks each of you are into.

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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/2/2010 8:11:23 AM   
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I don't see anything humiliating about "baby," "kitten" or "girl," and a lot of vanilla people use those, too. So far, I haven't been drawn to verbal humiliation like "slut" or "whore" on either side of things. It's not a hard limit, but it comes across very role-playish and a little stilted. I don't think I'd be humiliated at all by being called a slut or a whore - if it were said in a nasty tone of voice, rather than affectionate or "hot talk" I might get offended or argumentative. I don't think being hot for *MY* Master (or for my partner in past relationships) makes me a whore or a slut, it makes me sexual with *him*. There's nothing wrong with other people being into casual sex, or even being sex workers, but it's not my style.

jbcurious, if my Master decided to call me anything - slut, whore, doormat, or whatever, I'm sure he could use tone and what he was combining it with to make it hot, or to at least be a positive experience in some way. If he kept associating it with pleasure, it's even possible that it would turn me on all by itself. Or, I could be surprised and find that though the idea of it doesn't turn me on at all, the reality does - that's happened with a lot of other things. Online, with someone I have no connection to, someone calling me one of those names would make me cross them off of my list of potentials. I'm the opposite of most of the others here - I wouldn't mind it at all as an endearment outside of play, but I *think* I'd be a little taken aback/distracted/at least momentarily turned off in the heat of play. That's certainly no time to argue semantics, though, so I'd just carry on as best as I could, and think about it/talk with him about it later. When I was looking, if someone had "humiliation" on their profile, I asked them to clarify what their needs and expectations were in that area. Some people considered kneeling, crawling, and giving blowjobs to be humiliating! *giggles* I've been doing BDSM and/or D/s in one form or another, in person, for about 16 years now, and it has never really come up for me. There are other people here who get into humiliation play right off the bat. Keep an open mind, figure out what works for you and what doesn't, take your time getting to know and trust the person, make sure they are reasonable and fair, and you should both be fine regardless of the specific details of the kinks each of you are into.



Thanks for your response... I can see it could become a bit of a Pavlovian response if used in the right circumstances with the right tone.  My mind is open...

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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/2/2010 8:11:39 AM   
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prude...(?)



*snickers*

Forget the beer slut, I've changed my mind


In context that means go find a "beer slut". Look in the usual beer slut places, bars, parties, you know. Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with beer sluts and I don't understand why people get so weirded out by them.


You have the advantage of having known me and my posts for 3 years... you have indeed done these poor people a disservice by introducing me to this site...



Is it really that long. oh never mind, ... as if length matters.


Some will call it disservice, others will call it a service ....


When faced with a choice to be honest or PC, I most often choose honest. They really are just words to which 'we' ourselves give meaning. Whether they feel derogatory or not is also a choice. Constantly internalizing words thrown at you is self defeating when the words are internalized negatively. Now, get me a meditation slut.


and remember, beer sluts are people too.



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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/2/2010 8:20:38 AM   
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~~fast reply~~


I may enjoy it when he calls me a slut; I may even see it as a celebration, that he knows me well and appreciates that side of me But there are different words and deeds that others may enjoy but would offend me. I cannot explain why one is okay and another shocks my sensibilities. It is what it is for me. If something is not acceptable, say so. Those who won't abide by your parameters are simply incompatible

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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/2/2010 8:29:14 AM   
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jbcurious, I figure my Master can do just about *any* activity in a way that I will love, or at least can handle, or to a degree that is more than I can take. I think a lot of people focus so much on limits relating to activities, that they lose sight of that. I trust my Master to be able to read my body language most of the time, or to listen to me/check in with me if I express a difficulty I'm having. I hope you find someone who you can similarly trust, for the journey into the good places and the bad.

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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/2/2010 8:33:13 AM   
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jbcurious, I figure my Master can do just about *any* activity in a way that I will love, or at least can handle, or to a degree that is more than I can take. I think a lot of people focus so much on limits relating to activities, that they lose sight of that. I trust my Master to be able to read my body language most of the time, or to listen to me/check in with me if I express a difficulty I'm having. I hope you find someone who you can similarly trust, for the journey into the good places and the bad.


I hope so too... it´s just difficult living on such a tiny island that has no club, no community... zilt  I can´t exactly go around asking people if they´re into BDSM 

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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/2/2010 11:20:17 PM   
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I would never have vanilla friends and family over to see the final four games and tell my wife “bring us a round of beer slut”. Likewise, I would never have vanilla friends and family over to see me whip my wife and ask her “Does my slut want more?” I also would never require her to call me Sir or Master around vanilla friends and family.

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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/3/2010 12:51:51 AM   
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in public, the 'normal' terms of endearment (sweetheart, darling, honey,....) or our names are the protocol for us. In private, he can call me anything he wants, as long as it's not a personal attack. So for example if he said 'get me a beer you ugly fat bitch' I'd be out of there like a greased polecat down a drainpipe. But if he said 'beer, whore', then that is more than acceptable!

T
Oddly enough, the one word I absolutely HATE to be called is 'girl'. It's so impersonal and patronising (although I will happily accept 'good girl'...hehehe).

I think my brain is wired all weird

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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/3/2010 5:54:35 AM   
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Hello OP:

I'm curious... Within BDSM there seems to be a lot, of what in the vanilla world, would be considered derogatory language in regards to subs/slaves.

If someone were to say to me "get me a beer slut" my first reaction is "fuck you" as opposed to "can you grab me a beer" which I'll happily do.

So my questions are...

Is this just the way things are said online and it's different in real life or is this standard terminology in BDSM?

Nonsense, my friends call me names all the time. Men call each other names too. And frankly in the "vanilla" world, there is all manner of naughty language.

subs/slaves... If you are spoken to in that manner how do you respond... is it positive in confirming your status, do you like it???

I dare you. Yes, I DOUBLE DOG DARE you to do that at a CM gathering. Ohhh please, I could make a boatload of money selling tickets. There is a subbie mafia after all. mmmm hmmmm.... fiesty wenches, every one of them.

Doms/Dommes/Masters/ Mistress's.... Does it help to establish a boundary, of keeping a person in their place?

And I can tell you what Signore would say (in his sexy Italian accent)... "she is MY woman." *I love that whole caveman thing he has.....

Or is it just a bunch of words and no one gives it much thought?

It's about the intent behind the words and the depth of the relationship, the situation, etc. Not really much different from the vanilla world

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RE: The language of BDSM - 4/3/2010 8:56:50 AM   
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I'm into that whole "caveman" thing too...nothing feels better then a man claiming you as HIS woman... Swoon...

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