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Guess you were. Why not try and make your case that the sovereign citizen, posse comitatus and christian identity movements (all hopelessly intertwined) are left wing. Of course you will have to deal with teh hole self identification thing with more than a handwave or is this simply your rather weak 'no true scotsman' complaint about them being called right wing.

Do you even know what the posse commitatas act was about?  Now I know it completely tears you apart that those damn Christians are at it again and do you know why?  You can go into any court in this country and if you KNOW how to handle yourself and you KNOW the Christian law you can defend yourself.   There is NO higher law in this country.  Though I realize you want to destroy the essence of all law since its roots are in religion.

Do you even know the difference between the Posse Comitatus Act and the racist violent groups that call themselves Posse Comitatus?

Well well now how about you list every one of these offenses you want to claim?  Find some nice jewish site that lumps them in with nazis and the kkk and and of course anyone who identifies as an evil Christian.  I cant wait!

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As to that christian law bullshit, you are simply wrong. If the US was based on Moasaic law then what are teh crimes for not honoring mothers and fathers? What is the criminal punishemnt for lusting after my neighbor's wife? Or maybe you meant the 600+ laws of Leviticus well i had shrimp for dinner Tuesday and don't seem to be facing indictment. Or maybe you meant the law according to the sermon on the mount? I missed where society simply 'turns the other cheek' when wronged.

You really need to crack a book once in a while instead of focusing your efforts on all things anti-Christ.

If you go back you will find England has bishops on staff in the government and you see that same english common law is the law of the land here as much as that tears big holes in your wormy atheist anti-Christ heart.

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Do you or do you not support the laws of this country in that these guys have no authority to hold a public office in the public trust without swearing or affirming the oath to the constitution?

Simple question.

Show me this law. I can only think of article 2 section 1 clause 8 offhand, in our constitution, as concerns the prez. (and there is an oath of allegiance required for aliens matriculating to citizenship.) It could be that it is customary or traditional for all other federal officers, but I don't see it as mandatory under our law.

Other than that this would be a states rights issue, where it would be up to each individual state whether or not an oath is required of any office holder in that state, and the oath's content and construction.

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358.05 OATH OF OFFICE. The oath of office to be taken by members and officers of either branch of the legislature shall be that prescribed by the Constitution of the state of Minnesota, article IV, section 8. Every person elected or appointed to any other public office, including every official commissioner, or member of any public board or body, before transacting any of the business or exercising any privilege of such office, shall take and subscribe the oath defined in the Constitution of the state of Minnesota, article V, section 6.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=358&view=chapter#stat.358.05

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Guess you were. Why not try and make your case that the sovereign citizen, posse comitatus and christian identity movements (all hopelessly intertwined) are left wing. Of course you will have to deal with teh hole self identification thing with more than a handwave or is this simply your rather weak 'no true scotsman' complaint about them being called right wing.

Do you even know what the posse commitatas act was about?  Now I know it completely tears you apart that those damn Christians are at it again and do you know why?  You can go into any court in this country and if you KNOW how to handle yourself and you KNOW the Christian law you can defend yourself.   There is NO higher law in this country.  Though I realize you want to destroy the essence of all law since its roots are in religion.

Do you even know the difference between the Posse Comitatus Act and the racist violent groups that call themselves Posse Comitatus?

Well well now how about you list every one of these offenses you want to claim?  Find some nice jewish site that lumps them in with nazis and the kkk and and of course anyone who identifies as an evil Christian.  I cant wait!

Gordon Kahl killed 2 US Marshalls and a county Sheriff.
James Wickstrom and associates commited a variety of crimes in and around Shawano County WI in the 70', 80' and 90's.
Thomas Stockheimer assaulted a federal employee
And that's just the violent stuff. There have been hundreds of convictiosn of Posse Comitatus members involving various fraud schemes.

Yeh ok the feds mowed down weavers unarmed wife and 11 year old kid and 168 innocent women and children at waco and they were never brought to justice so whats your point?

Look who the guy is:

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Gordon Wendell Kahl (1920 - June 3, 1983) is best known for his involvement in two fatal shootouts  with law enforcement officers in the United States in 1983.[1]

Raised on a North Dakota farm[2], Kahl was a highly decorated turret gunner during World War II.[3] After the war, "he had a 400-acre (1.6 km2) farm near Heaton, Wells County, North Dakota[4], [but] bounced around the Texas oilfields in later life as a mechanic and general worker."[2]

In 1967, Kahl wrote a letter to the Internal Revenue Service[citation needed] stating that he would no longer pay taxes to the, in his words, "Synagogue of Satan under the 2nd plank of the Communist Manifesto." During the 1970s, Kahl organized the first Texas chapter of the Posse Comitatus, although he later left the group and was not a member at the time of the 1983 shootouts. In 1976 he appeared on a Texas television program stating that the income tax was illegal and encouraging others not to pay their income taxes.[citation needed] A 1991 movie based on these events was called In the Line of Duty: Manhunt in the Dakotas (aka Midnight Murders, and in Holland as In the Line of Duty: The Twilight Murders), starring actor Rod Steiger.[5][6] The events also inspired the making of the documentary film Death & Taxes, which was released in 1993.[7]

we arent talking some bumbling nutcase like you want to paint we are talking someone from the inside.

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As to that christian law bullshit, you are simply wrong. If the US was based on Moasaic law then what are teh crimes for not honoring mothers and fathers? What is the criminal punishemnt for lusting after my neighbor's wife? Or maybe you meant the 600+ laws of Leviticus well i had shrimp for dinner Tuesday and don't seem to be facing indictment. Or maybe you meant the law according to the sermon on the mount? I missed where society simply 'turns the other cheek' when wronged.

You really need to crack a book once in a while instead of focusing your efforts on all things anti-Christ.

If you go back you will find England has bishops on staff in the government and you see that same english common law is the law of the land here as much as that tears big holes in your wormy atheist anti-Christ heart.

What does it matter if their are priests employed by a government? (You're actually wrong on the details of your claim as well)

You claimed the US was under "Christian law" and I demanded an example. I pointed out that there aren't any. Your ad hominen doesn't change that.

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Yep, thats the law in my state alright, and by god it is performed without exception.

It is as I said.

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Do you or do you not support the laws of this country in that these guys have no authority to hold a public office in the public trust without swearing or affirming the oath to the constitution?

Simple question.

Show me this law. I can only think of article 2 section 1 clause 8 offhand, in our constitution, as concerns the prez. (and there is an oath of allegiance required for aliens matriculating to citizenship.) It could be that it is customary or traditional for all other federal officers, but I don't see it as mandatory under our law.

Other than that this would be a states rights issue, where it would be up to each individual state whether or not an oath is required of any office holder in that state, and the oath's content and construction.

LET ME GOOGLE THAT FOR YOU RON

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358.05 OATH OF OFFICE. The oath of office to be taken by members and officers of either branch of the legislature shall be that prescribed by the Constitution of the state of Minnesota, article IV, section 8. Every person elected or appointed to any other public office, including every official commissioner, or member of any public board or body, before transacting any of the business or exercising any privilege of such office, shall take and subscribe the oath defined in the Constitution of the state of Minnesota, article V, section 6.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=358&view=chapter#stat.358.05

I hope that helps

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Yep, thats the law in my state alright, and by god it is performed without exception.

It is as I said.

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Geez. What happened to trimming quotes? That post is virtually a page of a thread in itself.

And just to say "I told you so."

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There were no senses to come to. That is the form and content proscribed by my state, not everyone elses. The idea being that our folks (and it is broadcast) take and sign that oath and so what the fuck are these clowns wasting our state time sending us these fuckin stupid letters?

Thats what is at question.

Other states are on a state by state basis, but I bet that many take their oaths to uphold and so why are they getting letters?

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There were no senses to come to. That is the form and content proscribed by my state, not everyone elses. The idea being that our folks (and it is broadcast) take and sign that oath and so what the fuck are these clowns wasting our state time sending us these fuckin stupid letters?

Thats what is at question.

Other states are on a state by state basis, but I bet that many take their oaths to uphold and so why are they getting letters?

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There were no senses to come to. That is the form and content proscribed by my state, not everyone elses. The idea being that our folks (and it is broadcast) take and sign that oath and so what the fuck are these clowns wasting our state time sending us these fuckin stupid letters?

Thats what is at question.

Other states are on a state by state basis, but I bet that many take their oaths to uphold and so why are they getting letters?

Because the scum behind the letters think they might be avble to pull off a coup somehow. It's scare tactics pure and simple.

Luckily these people have a greatly exagerated belief in how much concern state governors are going to have over this crap.

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These public servants have a choice: Swear an OATH to support the U.S. Constitution OR be replaced immediately or even Arrested. Any failure on their part to comply after 72 hours is considered to be an act of TREASON.

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That is not the form of every state and it is not a federal law, nor mentioned in the constitution.

Does every state have that in their state law and constitution?

So, some fucktard serves it on Minnesota, (all 50 govs) why arent these fuckwad provost marsalls being tried for terroristic threats, frivolous lawsuits?

We, for one, can claim that we are living up to our state constitution. And we goddam sure dont need these dickheads coming around our law abiding state with the fuckin foolishness.

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no, you fuckin do it. someone claims that 50 governors are in offense of the United States Constitution?

Fuck You, prove it. I quoted article 2 and the citizenship requirement. Thats Federal.

State by state. And no, we will not assume that every state requires an oath to the federal constitution.

First of all, I know there have been Quaker governors, and (aside from Nixon perhaps) most of them will not swear an oath, and article VI for senators and congress and state officials would modify that to an affirmation. Note that not anywhere does it say in my constitution that the oath must be public, nor spoken. Here, they can sign a piece of paper.

Is minnesota the only one?

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There were no senses to come to. That is the form and content proscribed by my state, not everyone elses. The idea being that our folks (and it is broadcast) take and sign that oath and so what the fuck are these clowns wasting our state time sending us these fuckin stupid letters?

Thats what is at question.

Other states are on a state by state basis, but I bet that many take their oaths to uphold and so why are they getting letters?

Because the scum behind the letters think they might be avble to pull off a coup somehow. It's scare tactics pure and simple.

Luckily these people have a greatly exagerated belief in how much concern state governors are going to have over this crap.

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These public servants have a choice: Swear an OATH to support the U.S. Constitution OR be replaced immediately or even Arrested. Any failure on their part to comply after 72 hours is considered to be an act of TREASON.

See Thadius, you wonder why people post the same shit over and over its because this like all boards are infiltrated with propaganda thugs.

You can post what these people really stand for and they mischaracterize it over and fucking over ad homodisingenuous.

These retards label certification of oath of office a coup against the government.