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Kana -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/5/2010 8:34:57 PM)

That domination and cruelty are one and the same.




Navina -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/5/2010 9:05:22 PM)

That switches have to have both doms and subs at the same time in order to be fulfilled. That switches are just confused. That a dominant personality doesn't belong in a submissive partner.




domiguy -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/5/2010 9:11:47 PM)

That switches have the ability to think for themselves.




QuirkyAnne -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/5/2010 9:51:59 PM)

That because I identify my sexuality as "submissive," that I must defer to men in all aspects of my life.  What a load of shite.




atypicalsub -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/5/2010 11:07:49 PM)

My biggest pet peeve is the stereotype that all submissives are women.  Honestly every time I go in the chat rooms I get Doms pming me and immediately getting all hot and then getting pissed off when they finally get that I'm not a woman.  Of course if they bothered to look at my profile or ask me they would find out right away.  Instead they see "sub" as part of my handle are instantly that makes me a woman.

Most of my other ones have already been covered by other people in this thread. 




atypicalsub -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/5/2010 11:14:37 PM)

I don't want to derail this thread but I do question the use of the word slave in bdsm.  Since this is all consentual no one is really a slave.  A real slave would not have the option of leaving if their Master/Mistress abused them.  Many in the bdsm lifestyle cling to the word slave with romantic images attached to it but none of them are forced to serve anyone they did not choose to be with.

I would never tollerate a dominant who thought they could break my spirit or bend me to their will.  I can not be forced to serve, but I can be seduced to surrender.


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllLockedUp

For me, the slave thing was abolished a long time ago. I am NOT one that wants to revisit that time in no shape, form or fashion. Yes, I AM submissive, somtimes to a fault, but to be enslaved by anyone is TOO much for this BLACK woman!!!!

I am an opinionated person. Do not expect me to change who I am because I CHOSE to be your sub. Doms all too often think they can change who their sub IS!!! Unless you have had this person in your charge since birth, don't expect UNrealistic things.




tazzygirl -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/6/2010 2:39:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: atypicalsub

I don't want to derail this thread but I do question the use of the word slave in bdsm.  Since this is all consentual no one is really a slave.  A real slave would not have the option of leaving if their Master/Mistress abused them.  Many in the bdsm lifestyle cling to the word slave with romantic images attached to it but none of them are forced to serve anyone they did not choose to be with.

I would never tollerate a dominant who thought they could break my spirit or bend me to their will.  I can not be forced to serve, but I can be seduced to surrender.


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllLockedUp

For me, the slave thing was abolished a long time ago. I am NOT one that wants to revisit that time in no shape, form or fashion. Yes, I AM submissive, somtimes to a fault, but to be enslaved by anyone is TOO much for this BLACK woman!!!!

I am an opinionated person. Do not expect me to change who I am because I CHOSE to be your sub. Doms all too often think they can change who their sub IS!!! Unless you have had this person in your charge since birth, don't expect UNrealistic things.



Thats why it is called consensual slavery. And, yes, sometimes there are relationships that are just that difficult to leave. And you can be bent to someone else's will, if they know how to do it.

you identify as a sub, thats great.

but another of my pet peeves is being told that slavery isnt "real" because someone else cant understand it.

its real

it can be exciting

it can be scary

im sorry you dont get it

but dont judge me because i do.




RCdc -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/6/2010 6:03:01 AM)

That doormat is a negative term.

the.dark.




Smutmonger -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/6/2010 10:51:30 AM)

That tops have to be "doms"-or aren't capable of having relationships.




leadership527 -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/6/2010 3:03:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RCdc
That doormat is a negative term.
Yup, although I may actually like that stereotype since it makes me laugh constantly.




DWCskitten -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/6/2010 6:25:51 PM)

~Fast Reply~

Some of my pet peeves:
That slaves can't have opinions.
i call myself slave & i AM allowed opinions. i can have as many opinions as i like, but He will still make the decisions.
That D/s or M/s relationships can't include love.
i have been in/am in a M/s relationship that includes love.
That switches are somehow "less than."
i know switches that are every bit as real as those who put themselves on only one side of the kneel or the other.
That all s-types must love pain.
i'm an s-type and i most assuredly do NOT love pain.
That all subs/slaves must submit to EVERYONE Who considers Themselves Dominant.
i am told to submit ONLY to my Master and anyone HE allows me to, NOT to submit willy nilly. And, if i were single/unowned, i would submit to No One until there was a relationship in place.
That those who tag themselves as "slave" are living in a fantasyland.
Calling oneself a slave is not living in a fantasy land, that's why it's called consensual slavery. It's okay to not understand it, but don't knock it for those of us who do.

~kitten~




Andalusite -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/6/2010 7:56:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Smutmonger

That tops have to be "doms"-or aren't capable of having relationships.

I absolutely agree, and of course, the converse, that bottoms or masochists or "bedroom only" submissives are automatically self-centered, selfish, or only into casual play.




atypicalsub -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/11/2010 12:38:45 AM)

tazzygirl, where in my post was I judging anyone?  I said I was questioning the use of the word 'slave'.  I made no judgements on any persons experiences in bdsm or on anyones relationship.  And regardless of how anyone feels about their relationship, or how hard it might feel to leave, it is in no way the same as a person who is truely forced into slavery against their will.  It can in no way be equated to a person who never had the choice to enter slavery, never has the choice to leave regardless of how they are treated, and if they did somehow escape would be returned to their owner against their will.



quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: atypicalsub

I don't want to derail this thread but I do question the use of the word slave in bdsm.  Since this is all consentual no one is really a slave.  A real slave would not have the option of leaving if their Master/Mistress abused them.  Many in the bdsm lifestyle cling to the word slave with romantic images attached to it but none of them are forced to serve anyone they did not choose to be with.

I would never tollerate a dominant who thought they could break my spirit or bend me to their will.  I can not be forced to serve, but I can be seduced to surrender.


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllLockedUp

For me, the slave thing was abolished a long time ago. I am NOT one that wants to revisit that time in no shape, form or fashion. Yes, I AM submissive, somtimes to a fault, but to be enslaved by anyone is TOO much for this BLACK woman!!!!

I am an opinionated person. Do not expect me to change who I am because I CHOSE to be your sub. Doms all too often think they can change who their sub IS!!! Unless you have had this person in your charge since birth, don't expect UNrealistic things.



Thats why it is called consensual slavery. And, yes, sometimes there are relationships that are just that difficult to leave. And you can be bent to someone else's will, if they know how to do it.

you identify as a sub, thats great.

but another of my pet peeves is being told that slavery isnt "real" because someone else cant understand it.

its real

it can be exciting

it can be scary

im sorry you dont get it

but dont judge me because i do.




NefertariReborn -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/11/2010 1:11:30 AM)

I am getting the feeling that the word CONSENSUAL is being lost upon you. A dictionary of some type might be helpful to you; doesn't have to be an Oxford like mine, Webster's is ok. Less letters but it gets the meanings down pretty well.  No one here is talking about forced slavery or runaway slaves, Kunta Kinte.  No one equated Consensual slavery with non BDSM forced slavery of the past.  Let's not quibble with the "My kink is "realer" than yours chit." Some already think we're fucked in the head (well some actually are but that's beside the point) so let's not feed on ourselves. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: atypicalsub

tazzygirl, where in my post was I judging anyone?  I said I was questioning the use of the word 'slave'.  I made no judgements on any persons experiences in bdsm or on anyones relationship.  And regardless of how anyone feels about their relationship, or how hard it might feel to leave, it is in no way the same as a person who is truely forced into slavery against their will.  It can in no way be equated to a person who never had the choice to enter slavery, never has the choice to leave regardless of how they are treated, and if they did somehow escape would be returned to their owner against their will.



quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: atypicalsub

I don't want to derail this thread but I do question the use of the word slave in bdsm.  Since this is all consentual no one is really a slave.  A real slave would not have the option of leaving if their Master/Mistress abused them.  Many in the bdsm lifestyle cling to the word slave with romantic images attached to it but none of them are forced to serve anyone they did not choose to be with.

I would never tollerate a dominant who thought they could break my spirit or bend me to their will.  I can not be forced to serve, but I can be seduced to surrender.


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllLockedUp

For me, the slave thing was abolished a long time ago. I am NOT one that wants to revisit that time in no shape, form or fashion. Yes, I AM submissive, somtimes to a fault, but to be enslaved by anyone is TOO much for this BLACK woman!!!!

I am an opinionated person. Do not expect me to change who I am because I CHOSE to be your sub. Doms all too often think they can change who their sub IS!!! Unless you have had this person in your charge since birth, don't expect UNrealistic things.



Thats why it is called consensual slavery. And, yes, sometimes there are relationships that are just that difficult to leave. And you can be bent to someone else's will, if they know how to do it.

you identify as a sub, thats great.

but another of my pet peeves is being told that slavery isnt "real" because someone else cant understand it.

its real

it can be exciting

it can be scary

im sorry you dont get it

but dont judge me because i do.





sunshinemiss -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/11/2010 1:48:49 AM)

Ohhh I remember once reading... They don't care if you're a girl having bad girl sex with another girl or not.  They just hate you because you're queer.




atypicalsub -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/11/2010 2:03:00 AM)

actualy it seems to be lost on you that I used the word 'consensual' in my post.  since you are pounding on a dictionary why don't you look up the word slavery in there.  all i ever said was that i question if it wouldn't be better for us to use a different word rather than using the word 'slave' in a way that has no real connection to what the word means to everyone else in the world.


quote:

ORIGINAL: NefertariReborn

I am getting the feeling that the word CONSENSUAL is being lost upon you. A dictionary of some type might be helpful to you; doesn't have to be an Oxford like mine, Webster's is ok. Less letters but it gets the meanings down pretty well.  No one here is talking about forced slavery or runaway slaves, Kunta Kinte.  No one equated Consensual slavery with non BDSM forced slavery of the past.  Let's not quibble with the "My kink is "realer" than yours chit." Some already think we're fucked in the head (well some actually are but that's beside the point) so let's not feed on ourselves. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: atypicalsub

tazzygirl, where in my post was I judging anyone?  I said I was questioning the use of the word 'slave'.  I made no judgements on any persons experiences in bdsm or on anyones relationship.  And regardless of how anyone feels about their relationship, or how hard it might feel to leave, it is in no way the same as a person who is truely forced into slavery against their will.  It can in no way be equated to a person who never had the choice to enter slavery, never has the choice to leave regardless of how they are treated, and if they did somehow escape would be returned to their owner against their will.



quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: atypicalsub

I don't want to derail this thread but I do question the use of the word slave in bdsm.  Since this is all consentual no one is really a slave.  A real slave would not have the option of leaving if their Master/Mistress abused them.  Many in the bdsm lifestyle cling to the word slave with romantic images attached to it but none of them are forced to serve anyone they did not choose to be with.

I would never tollerate a dominant who thought they could break my spirit or bend me to their will.  I can not be forced to serve, but I can be seduced to surrender.


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllLockedUp

For me, the slave thing was abolished a long time ago. I am NOT one that wants to revisit that time in no shape, form or fashion. Yes, I AM submissive, somtimes to a fault, but to be enslaved by anyone is TOO much for this BLACK woman!!!!

I am an opinionated person. Do not expect me to change who I am because I CHOSE to be your sub. Doms all too often think they can change who their sub IS!!! Unless you have had this person in your charge since birth, don't expect UNrealistic things.



Thats why it is called consensual slavery. And, yes, sometimes there are relationships that are just that difficult to leave. And you can be bent to someone else's will, if they know how to do it.

you identify as a sub, thats great.

but another of my pet peeves is being told that slavery isnt "real" because someone else cant understand it.

its real

it can be exciting

it can be scary

im sorry you dont get it

but dont judge me because i do.






sunshinemiss -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/11/2010 2:05:16 AM)

You know the mods have asked for a certain amount of snipping on threads rather than repeating and repeating.

I'm not sure who is talking with whom at this point. It would help to clarify if y'all wouldn't mind.

Best,
sunshine




CeriseNin -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/11/2010 2:08:32 AM)

Doormat is a negative term.
Because I'm submissive, I'm going to talk about sex with you within ten minutes of meeting.
Because I won't submit to you, I'm not real.
All subs/slaves are walking around horny 24/7 and just waiting for someone to order us around.
My opinion is lesser than/stupid/cute/unwanted, because I identify as submissive.




pyroaquatic -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/11/2010 5:16:31 AM)

FR

I do not associate with stereotypes simply because I do not care for masks of the soul.

All I see are people.




DesFIP -> RE: Stereotypes you hate? (4/11/2010 5:19:22 AM)

Unfortunately there are a lot of men who don't care about what their female partner thinks or feels. They just want sex and dinner and no interest in her as a person. I think these men are drawn to the porn image of bdsm feeling that here they aren't required to be competent in a relationship. They just announce that they're a dominant and figure they can give orders without seeing if it's reasonable, without caring what the cost is on the sub, and so on.

Sex on demand and someone to mommy them because of course they're vastly too important to wash a dish. Any sub who has been in a relationship with someone like that learns early not to express an opinion because it will be ridiculed. Simply because he can't listen and hear what a woman says.




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