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Oh, you mean, like, he had a crazy, hate-filled racist preacher named Jeremiah Wright?

No, unfortunately that one was true.

Or that he was an inexperienced junior senator lacking any kind of executive experience?

No, so sorry - that was true as well.

In short, I think your real problem is facing facts and reality that are at odds with your belief system, and not with me at all
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I seem to recall you posting swathes on stuff about Obama, using dubious websites as links, right around election time. If that makes me delusional, then I am fine with it.

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Is it really that hard to understand? I would like to see a real effort to cut spending as opposed to every effort possible to expand it.

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I agree with you that the deficits are huge.

What I would like to know is what was your alternative? The collapse of the entire financial system?

Really what would you have like to seen done?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Obama's record deficits that even his own secretary of state admits are a threat to our national security is the primary issue for the Tea Party protesters.

News to you is it? Thats not a surprise.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Oh, you mean, like, he had a crazy, hate-filled racist preacher named Jeremiah Wright?

No, unfortunately that one was true.

Or that he was an inexperienced junior senator lacking any kind of executive experience?

No, so sorry - that was true as well.

In short, I think your real problem is facing facts and reality that are at odds with your belief system, and not with me at all
.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
I seem to recall you posting swathes on stuff about Obama, using dubious websites as links, right around election time. If that makes me delusional, then I am fine with it.

Poor thing...What does this have to do with tea baggers being illiterate douche nozzles?

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Ever wonder where they were at when Bush was driving the deficits up?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Is it really that hard to understand? I would like to see a real effort to cut spending as opposed to every effort possible to expand it.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Oh, you mean, like, he had a crazy, hate-filled racist preacher named Jeremiah Wright?

No, unfortunately that one was true.

Or that he was an inexperienced junior senator lacking any kind of executive experience?

No, so sorry - that was true as well.

In short, I think your real problem is facing facts and reality that are at odds with your belief system, and not with me at all
.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
I seem to recall you posting swathes on stuff about Obama, using dubious websites as links, right around election time. If that makes me delusional, then I am fine with it.

Poor thing...What does this have to do with tea baggers being illiterate douche nozzles?

Deflection.

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Dude. you are just parroting platitudes. "cut spending" how?. Gimme something. You can't. you are a dogmatic fool.

AT a time when the economy was on the verge of a complete ,meltdown, you want to "cut spending". The hows and whys of the meltdown can be argued and discussed. The fact that it was happening can't be argued.

"Cut Spending"

You are an empty container, offering nothing of value

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Frankly, thats kind of crazy. Find an economist who likes these insane deficits!

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I was against Bush's deficit spending too.

Where are you, now that Obama's making it even worse?

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Ever wonder where they were at when Bush was driving the deficits up?

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Nah, Very Vanilli isn't smart enough to consciously try deflection, he's just trolling.

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No I don't believe everything that anonymous people post on the Internet, Politesub53.

Never have, never will.

And odds are good that this is a part of an orchestrated smear campaign because Liberals hate the issues that the Tea Party are raising. Liberals are scared and they feel they have got to derail the discussion at any cost, which is why they have to pretend that all the Tea Partiers are racists or have poorly written signs.

The actual Tea Partiers' issues are driving the Liberals here to utter madness, and no, I wouldn't put anything past them.

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Lets be serious here, granted there is no proof that they`re at a tea rally. I know that you know, deep down, they are Republican voters.

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Frankly, thats kind of crazy. Find an economist who likes these insane deficits!

Nobody likes these deficits, but the question is, "what do we do about it?" You are the one who keeps claiming in multiple threads that all us "Libtards" are using the Tea Party shenanigans and Sara Palin and Glen Beck and all these other ancillary issues to deflect the conversation away from the real issues - deficits and spending. So now I am giving you your chance to discuss the real issues and the solutions as you see it.

I don't want to discuss ideology. That would be pointless and we all already know where you stand in this regard. So let's talk issues and solutions. You think Obama should cut spending now, so where are your experts who would agree that this would make things better, not worse at this point in time.

Should we start another thread? Let's get this out of the way. It's long overdue.

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The United States and other top world economies need to make potentially painful government spending cuts or risk losing the high-grade credit ratings that have kept borrowing affordable, the Moody's rating agency said Monday.

Outlining the dilemma faced by policymakers in the United States, Great Britain, Germany and France, Moody's said that debt levels in the four large credit-worthy economies had reached the point at which they are at risk of being downgraded -- a step that would drive up interest rates, increase borrowing costs and mark a turn in perceptions about the world economy.

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Yes, Moody's economists qualify. Mark Zandi is a good example and he testified in front of Congress in Nov that the bailouts of the big banks and GM was absolutely necessary to prevent the economy from entering a death spiral. He also said that the bancruptcy of GM was inevitable, that even with the bailout the numbers didn't add up, and that the bailout had little to do with saving GM as much as it did about saving the US economy.

He also believes that our debt is the biggest crisis facing our economy long term. He also testified that when tetering on the brink of depression, the government had no choice but to step in and spend, a lesson learned from the Great Depression.

Zandi is credible not because he is partisan or because Obama's policies reflect his sentiments, but because the vast majority of the economists - both left and right - agree with him. The Tea Party movement and it's leaders don't understand economics - especially recession economics - so although I empathize with their anger over our current situation, I do not believe that anger can be a platform for governing. They have to come to the table with real solutions, not just badly spelled protest slogans.

FYI - I also pointed out earlier in this thread that even Obama agrees that spending should be cut, but that it was just a matter of timing.

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You don't think that a certain war had more to do with pulling us out of the Great Depression than did any expansion of government spending?

If the spending needed to be done these last few years, which I debate, there would have been far better ways to stimulate the economy and have a positive impact on every family. Like giving $2k to each and every citizen (man, woman and child), just think how much that would have done for those households, local economies, and debt situations. Not to mention that most of that money would be recouped via the taxes (in one form or another).

The idea that the government knows the best way to save the economy seems like a sick joke, only 10% or so of the current administration has even worked in the private sector.... know what I mean? Of course they all think that government spending more and more is a good thing, it ensures them of a job.

Just sayin.

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[...]

You don't think that a certain war had more to do with pulling us out of the Great Depression than did any expansion of government spending?

If the spending needed to be done these last few years, which I debate, there would have been far better ways to stimulate the economy and have a positive impact on every family. Like giving $2k to each and every citizen (man, woman and child), just think how much that would have done for those households, local economies, and debt situations. Not to mention that most of that money would be recouped via the taxes (in one form or another).

The idea that the government knows the best way to save the economy seems like a sick joke, only 10% or so of the current administration has even worked in the private sector.... know what I mean? Of course they all think that government spending more and more is a good thing, it ensures them of a job.

Just sayin.

War is government spending...helllloo

And yes, I agree with you that we should have a debate in this country about what might have been the most effective way to spend stimulus and TARP. That is completely fair game, but that is not the Tea Party bitch, now is it?

It wasn't the government that knew the best way to save the economy - it was the economists saying that the government had a role to play in keeping the country from an economic death spiral. This again, is a concept that eludes the Tea Party.