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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 5/11/2010 1:15:48 PM   
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Thank you for the kind comments.  As far as I can tell, I do actually have at least half the wiring of a serial killer.  I am completely capable of seeing humans as prey, I have a very limited capacity for guilt or remorse, I think that killing and chopping things up is particularly fun and tasty, I am feral and animalistic by nature with a near total lack of "normal" human social inhibitions, and I am a sadist.  Fortunately I also value rationality, self-control, discipline and ethics, and I am basically a calm and happy person who is not often angry or in pain.  My childhood was not bad or traumatic.  Take a couple tweaks to the left in my psychological makeup, add some childhood trauma, and there would be nothing at all separating how my mind works from that of historical serial killers.  Actually some of the serial killer profiles I've looked at appear to show more inhibition and capacity for abstract guilt than I would assess in myself.  All the ingredients are present, but fortunately my environmental recipe produced something a lot more stable. 

Obviously this kind of brain wiring does exist in people to various degrees.  If you take somebody born with this brain wiring and traumatize them, you have a good chance of getting a sociopathic killer.  But there are probably a lot more people born with this kind of brain wiring who aren't angry or traumatized and who are functioning as productive and completely law abiding citizens, because breaking the law has a poor cost-benefit ratio and they have insufficient motivation to do any antisocial acts.  You might not even know who they are or recognize them unless they're willing to be honest about what really goes on behind their eyes.  But put us in a situation where the normal cost-benefit ratios don't apply, or hurt us and back us into a corner hard enough, and you might see something seriously scary that you will probably think of as inhuman.   The fact is, it's very human, and possibly innate in some percentage of the species.  The capacity to commit brutal antisocial acts without remorse certainly exists in some people, and it is not necessarily connected to a need or a drive to do it for no good reason, or to any lack of impuse control.  I don't know how many people are wired this way to some extent, but I suspect the numbers may be greater than many people imagine.

Do you really want a dominant who is wired this way?  Most people with a healthy sense of self preservation don't, and I don't blame them in the least.  But if you do, you need to understand how this wiring works, and how their particular set of wiring works.  I am personally capable of love and attachment, though at times it can completely turn off and leave me with nothing but cost-benefit ratio calculating and the knowledge that I must continue to behave myself properly even when I am not aware of having any feelings.  But not everyone with this type of wiring is capable of feeling love at all.  I'm not quite sure what the fine distinctions are between what I am and what a true sociopath is, but I suspect they are fine indeed. 

If you ever meet another dominant who thinks like me, you had better make damn sure you know where their lines are drawn.  Sociopaths can be good at mimicking emotionally correct responses even when they don't feel a thing, so you also need to know that your partner has a good reason *other* than "but he/she loves me" not to lie to you.  I have a deep respect for rational truth and information seeking and a distaste for half-truths and untruths.  I dislike holding up a socially correct mask and pretending I am something I am not.  It is a pain in the ass.  Being brutally honest and engaging in full disclosure is something I strongly prefer.  If I have to hide something, that implies that I am powerless or afraid to confidently show it.  Ergo you can generally trust that what you're seeing is real, unless you see me making polite social noises.  Then you can assume I'm just doing the ritual monkey dance to avoid upsetting the monkeys, and that I'll be escaping from it as soon as possible.

If you don't see reasons like this to believe the responses of someone whose brain seems to be wired like mine, you might want to do some fact checking periodically. Obviously they may not be the same reasons, but the motivations should come from outside the relationship itself.  People who are wired like this are not always safe.  But I suppose that's part of the thrill of submitting to us.

My partners are not entirely safe from me, but they are safe with me.  I would kill or die, unhesitatingly and without inhibition, to protect either of them.  My fear mechanism is particularly badly broken, so there is no physical threat that can get an emotional response from me other than a cost-benefit ratio calculation.  I can be triggered to aggression if startled, but not fear.  I don't know why. I only know that it's broken in a very odd way.  Apparently my body is capable of feeling fear and exhibiting fear symptoms in extremis, but it never reaches my conscious awareness.  There were a number of times early on when I mistook this response for allergic reaction or illness because there was no emotional component at all.  No clue what's broken in there, but one of these days it would be really fascinating to get an MRI. 


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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 5/11/2010 2:36:32 PM   
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If what you say is true, you may be the most dangerous person here. You have truly done the submissives on this board a great service.

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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 5/11/2010 3:10:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

I love power in a Man, power that just comes from him simply from his core of who he is. I want to be close to it but i also am usually somewhat intimidated by him because of it. I love and need a little fear of him, not because i am afraid of him but because i fear the power he has over me and what it does to me. The out of control feeling these types of Men are capable of drawing from me, the helplessness and vulnerability they also can compel. Its sort of i seek protection concept from the one i need protecting from lol.

Anyway, i think fear is the right word for some of it because many times my fear of Men like tis is sorta fear of what i am capable of in terms of my reactions to men who have that power essence. Most men to me don't have that essence. So when i encounter it, yes, i fear that sort of Man in the most delicious way.

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What she said. Plus, I love the fact that he's a little cold and a little cruel emotionally. I love knowing that nothing I say will change his mind or make him say or do what I want, yet all he has to do is say the word to get what he wants. I love the fear of not knowing what he's going to do or how much it's going to hurt when he has a mind to play. I love the feeling of despair that comes from knowing he knows that I need him and want him desperately and also knowing he doesn't need me. He's a hard one. However, if I happen to break, he fixes me. As cruel as he is, he's equally compassionate, understanding and generous. I don't actually fear him. I trust him with my life. He's only cruel to be kind.

"I ask for so little. Just fear me, love me and do as I say, and I will be your slave."

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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 5/11/2010 3:15:00 PM   
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Awe

I need to be in awe of Him. It's the word I use most often to describe this feeling.


awe   /ɔ/ noun, verb, awed, aw·ing.
–noun
1.an overwhelming feeling of reverence, admiration, fear, etc., produced by that which is grand, sublime, extremely powerful, or the like: in awe of god; in awe of great political figures.
2.Archaic. power to inspire fear or reverence.
3.Obsolete. fear or dread.

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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 5/11/2010 3:24:54 PM   
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When someone says they have the wiring of a serial killer and then go on to say you can trust me..Something deep down makes the hair on my nads stand up and in this case it aint a good thing.





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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 5/11/2010 5:24:06 PM   
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no i really don't wanna fear my master, i need to feel safe with him and know he'll never harm me. if i fear him, then i will leave him.

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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 5/11/2010 7:52:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Icarys

When someone says they have the wiring of a serial killer and then go on to say you can trust me..Something deep down makes the hair on my nads stand up and in this case it aint a good thing.


I have at least half the requisite wiring.  The most important part is still missing, as I do not feel any uncontrollable compulsion to commit antisocial acts.   I have the capacity to do so, repeatedly and with personal pleasure, should it become sufficiently logical or necessary.  It's far more productive for me living in a civilized country never to commit any antisocial acts and to function freely in society.  Should Armageddon or World War III come down and I survive in a lawless world, I will doubtless be a very scary motherfucker.  You should either kill me, team up with me and be useful, or avoid me at all costs.  I look harmless enough that probably none of these things would occur to you until it was too late, however. 

If you run across a dominant who thinks like me, it would be a very good thing for the hair on your nads to stand up.  I understand how sociopaths think, because I am about as close to being wired that way as you can get without actually being a serious risk of ending up with bodies in your basement.  I'm telling you about it because I'm not actually interested in behaving like a sociopath, post-Armageddon scenarios notwithstanding.  If I was actually committing even mildly antisocial or illegal acts, if I did not have absolute confidence that I am not a risk to myself or anyone else, I would not be discussing any of these things on the Internet.  I would be quietly doing them instead.  If you see it in action rather than being discussed educationally, this is the kind of thinking that certainly *should* push your alarm buttons if you see it.  That's why you're getting it illustrated.


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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 5/11/2010 8:26:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

If what you say is true, you may be the most dangerous person here. You have truly done the submissives on this board a great service.


A gun is very dangerous too.  It can kill.  But you have to pick it up and pull the trigger, or toss it in a fire to make it explode.  Potential is not the same as actuality.  You should be fully aware of the potential, but not so much that your own paranoia actually triggers it. 

I've never understood why people are so afraid of rattlesnakes that they will kill them on sight.  They do have the potential to do harm, but most species (there are a few exceptions) are placid and so mild of disposition that scientists working with them to weigh and measure rarely have any trouble or protest from the animals.  It is the humans who fear their potential who are the aggressors, and their attack that triggers the snake's loaded gun.  Had they not attacked, the potential for danger would not have changed, but the actuality of it would have.  Schroedinger's rattlesnake, perhaps?

Obviously potential can become actuality, and in some situations this is more likely than others.  If you see the warning signs in a dominant that they have the potential, you do need to soberly consider the risk level of the actuality, just as a scientist might while working with rattlesnakes.  If I can convey that message clearly, and illustrate some of the internal processes you would want to recognize and identify, then I will have done a service to submissives who think they want a scary dominant.  Understand what it is you're sleeping with, because it might not, at the core, be anything you could recognize and relate to as human. 




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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 5/11/2010 8:44:00 PM   
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yeah yeah, you're all fucked up....get in line.....

back to the thread....a good one, very interesting....

Fear is not the word I would use, because I think that's contrary to trust in my mind....a bit of intimidation and yes awe (thank you, good word), is very hot and mentally stimulating imo.

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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 5/11/2010 8:58:37 PM   
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No. There is simply no room in my life for anyone who makes me even remotely fearful of them. Now, someone who can inspire a fear of myself and my own potential. That's a different story.

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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 5/11/2010 9:23:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: laurell3

yeah yeah, you're all fucked up....


Oh, no.  I like my wiring.  I like it a lot.  It gives me a happy.  I certainly wouldn't trade it in for a "normal" set of irrational inhibitions that would do me no earthly good.   From the inside, it doesn't feel fucked up, it feels free.  But by the criteria sane people should probably use to find dominant partners, it should look pretty fucked up.  Just a matter of perspective.


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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 5/12/2010 12:40:59 AM   
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  Thank you Ladyntrainer for the insight to the darker characteristics of what I seek in a partner.  I think I identify on a more personal level in regards to your comments:

 "Sociopaths can be good at mimicking emotionally correct responses even when they don't feel a thing, so you also need to know that your partner has a good reason *other* than "but he/she loves me" not to lie to you.  I have a deep respect for rational truth and information seeking and a distaste for half-truths and untruths.  I dislike holding up a socially correct mask and pretending I am something I am not.  It is a pain in the ass.  Being brutally honest and engaging in full disclosure is something I strongly prefer.  If I have to hide something, that implies that I am powerless or afraid to confidently show it.  Ergo you can generally trust that what you're seeing is real, unless you see me making polite social noises.  Then you can assume I'm just doing the ritual monkey dance to avoid upsetting the monkeys, and that I'll be escaping from it as soon as possible."

I really find in not difficult to lie to someone if I don't feel a compelling reason not to.  I seem to have a larger issue lying with a Dominant partner I respect but once I lose the littlest respect ,unknowingly and sometimes conciously I will not be truthfull and lie.  I too have a problem wearing a socially correct mask even for my family as of late.  Oh how true to do a ritual dance to not upset the other monkeys heheh I have been doing that for a long time.  I feel an obligation to do so which ultimately has held me back in more ways than one.  I also find myself pondering the cost-benefit ratio most often in my day to day life. 

As for the self preservation comments...I was born this way and I am wired differently.  I didn't experience any abuse and came from a GREAT family that isn't split and never has been.  I sought the abuse and fought the compulsion to do so since I was a littler girl ;)  I just feel well wired differently as well as obligated to take my natural position that is so very deeply engrained. 

You are a fascinating person and I look forward to learning much from you in message boards to come.

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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 5/12/2010 12:43:59 AM   
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Despair what a yummy word.

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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 5/12/2010 5:56:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer
If you run across a dominant who thinks like me, it would be a very good thing for the hair on your nads to stand up.  I understand how sociopaths think, because I am about as close to being wired that way as you can get without actually being a serious risk of ending up with bodies in your basement. 


Let's hope no one charges you falsely with murder any time soon... cuz man, this post wouldn't reflect too well on your defense.

Seriously, though, people who talk like this openly run the risk of looking a little odd or melodramatic, and assuming you're actually telling the truth, well, yeah...I agree with Icarys. here's to us not seeing you in chains and an orange jump suit any time soon!

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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 5/12/2010 6:42:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: whipmaker7
Let's hope no one charges you falsely with murder any time soon... cuz man, this post wouldn't reflect too well on your defense.


I'm fully aware of that.  But since I am not at risk of exceeding the boundaries of law abiding behavior or safe, consensual play while I live in civilized society, it simply doesn't worry me.  If it did, you wouldn't be hearing from me on the subject.  It's not illegal to have odd brain processes, and it may actually be quite helpful to shed a bit of light on how this sort of mind actually works, specifically for the submissives who are attracted to "scary" and who may see some familiar patterns.  If it's not, feel free to skip over what isn't relevant or amusing.  


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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 5/13/2010 8:56:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer
it may actually be quite helpful to shed a bit of light on how this sort of mind actually works, specifically for the submissives who are attracted to "scary" and who may see some familiar patterns.


It is helpful and does shed light.  Although i am not one of those submissives who craves scary, i do appreciate your posts. It's always good to read comments from honest, self-aware people.


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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 5/19/2010 7:01:46 AM   
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Definitly: no, i cannot be afraid of my Master. IF im afraid i cannot be completly submissive with Him.
 I need to trust Him in everything, that is the idea, if u dont trust, u are afraid and for me, that does not work

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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 6/10/2010 7:42:38 PM   
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Ah I don't usually respond to any of these forums, I mostly like to read them, but I was compelled on this one. I am fairly new to this and I have discovered through the help of someone that if I do not fear a Dom it will not work for me, I will not take them seriously and I will push as much as I can. So for me a little fear does not a bit of good. I loved trembling in real fear and being so scared that I could barely breathe the first time lol...........but hey this is just me!

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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 6/10/2010 8:33:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OrpheusAgonistes

Clearly, I don't mean "afraid to close your eyes, constantly designing escape routes and devising crude ways to barricade yourself inside a room, sleeping with a gun under your pillow" levels of fear.  But does it tweak you to find that, every now and then, you're a little afraid of your partner?


I prefer a man with a firm hand that isn't afraid to execute when necessary. Demonstrations of leadership and his unbending will that make it abundantly clear where the line is are reassuring. Otherwise I might get a zany notion and if he fails to realign me and allows it to continue I'd start to question his mettle. It isn't merely the fear, but the clarity he provides that this is my place and it isn't going to change and he will not be controlled by yours truly. This is the real fear I crave. It's primal and something animals possess in terms of the pecking order. Other variations that are sexually or mentally generated are nice. I enjoy mind control and having my head messed with a great deal. But the deep seeded fear I cultivate is typically derived from something else.

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RE: Do you want to be (a little) afraid of your partner? - 6/10/2010 9:16:06 PM   
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Me fearing my future partner?

..Sounds hot =)

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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

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ORIGINAL: OrpheusAgonistes

Clearly, I don't mean "afraid to close your eyes, constantly designing escape routes and devising crude ways to barricade yourself inside a room, sleeping with a gun under your pillow" levels of fear.  But does it tweak you to find that, every now and then, you're a little afraid of your partner?


I prefer a man with a firm hand that isn't afraid to execute when necessary. Demonstrations of leadership and his unbending will that make it abundantly clear where the line is are reassuring. Otherwise I might get a zany notion and if he fails to realign me and allows it to continue I'd start to question his mettle. It isn't merely the fear, but the clarity he provides that this is my place and it isn't going to change and he will not be controlled by yours truly. This is the real fear I crave. It's primal and something animals possess in terms of the pecking order. Other variations that are sexually or mentally generated are nice. I enjoy mind control and having my head messed with a great deal. But the deep seeded fear I cultivate is typically derived from something else.

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