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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 2:28:25 PM   
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That was tongue in cheek, mike. A play on one of braniacs earlier posts.


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u With out starting a flame war with you,Sanity...and recalling how many times you have declared yourself to be center-right(center equating to the middle)...how do you type that line to brainiac and keep a straight face?
I mean can't that easily be turned around on you.....don't you spew  venomous right wing rhetoric as a daily exercise?
Or is it a case of only the stuff on the left is actually "venomous"?


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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 2:35:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking as somebody from a country that has a long tradition of left leaning media, I have no idea where the hell all of this crap right leaning Americans keep spouting about the liberal media conspiracy comes from. The New York Times might not be quite as far to the right as the rest of your press, but no way in hell is it left leaning by anybody else's standards. Sorry.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 2:37:09 PM   
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None of it surprises me or makes me wonder.  I'm surprised it makes others surprised. 






Really...

So you agree with the folks that say The New York Times and The Washington Post are extremeist liberal rags????




Is that what folks are saying?  All folks??  And why would I agree to something I don't know anything about?  If I read and agreed with the NY Times and Washington Post, I may pass comment.  For that matter...why would I agree with Chris Matthews just because he dislikes the words of Rush Limbaugh? 

On a personal side note, I see Chris Matthews as a much more rational person than Rush Limbaugh.  But also on a personal and realistic side note too...so much is being said about so much these days, I hesitate to comment or agree on much.

That other people do, no, it really doesn't surprise me.

**Editted to add...and I said on the page before already, it really doesn't matter to me what word is used...regime or administration.  I still know what the person who says either word means.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 2:41:49 PM   
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Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist

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Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS' "Evening News," The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.

Only Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and The Washington Times scored right of the average U.S. voter.

The most centrist outlet proved to be the "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer." CNN's "NewsNight With Aaron Brown" and ABC's "Good Morning America" were a close second and third.

"Our estimates for these outlets, we feel, give particular credibility to our efforts, as three of the four moderators for the 2004 presidential and vice-presidential debates came from these three news outlets — Jim Lehrer, Charlie Gibson and Gwen Ifill," Groseclose said. "If these newscasters weren't centrist, staffers for one of the campaign teams would have objected and insisted on other moderators."

The fourth most centrist outlet was "Special Report With Brit Hume" on Fox News, which often is cited by liberals as an egregious example of a right-wing outlet. While this news program proved to be right of center, the study found ABC's "World News Tonight" and NBC's "Nightly News" to be left of center. All three outlets were approximately equidistant from the center, the report found.



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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 2:50:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		FDD I feel like your question you asked me should be met with a better answer than the one I gave.

The bottom line is (to me), we have to start thinking about our own personal needs and listening to the people who are standing for them.  I could care less if a democrat brought health care reform to our nation, or a republican did.  I'm saddened it wasn't done in such a way that both teams feel good about it, but truthfully, I wonder if it ever would have happened at all, if this didn't happen.  Did it happen the right way? Probably not.  Did Obama have a wish to make health care reform his legacy? Probably so.  Are what the democrats saying more truer than what the republicans say?  Well...I know there is no such thing as a death panel...and I believe with all my heart and soul that Obama is an American born citizen.  I also feel, if people really, truly think otherwise, we're in trouble, because they are believing things said by people who do know better.  But as to what is truly right and wrong in the big picture, being said by republicans vs democrats...truthfully, I don't trust either side, but feel at the mercy of both sides, depending on who's in the house, so to speak.

Now....are my thoughts, feelings, and opinions about it all the rock solid way it is?  I don't know that either lol.  But its my answer and I'm sticking to it. 

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 2:55:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Absolutely a fun read, given the background of the authors, but nothing even remotely objective.

I've had to point out before that it might be helpful to Google a peek at reaction to that study.  You'll find some troubling questions about the methodology, from a variety of academic and non-academic sources, some of which note that the two authors "have previously received funding from the three premier conservative think tanks in the United States". There's a good analysis from what I think is a relatively balanced source from the nice folks at Spinwatch here.

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

Here is a fun read.

Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist

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Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS' "Evening News," The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.

Only Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and The Washington Times scored right of the average U.S. voter.

The most centrist outlet proved to be the "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer." CNN's "NewsNight With Aaron Brown" and ABC's "Good Morning America" were a close second and third.

"Our estimates for these outlets, we feel, give particular credibility to our efforts, as three of the four moderators for the 2004 presidential and vice-presidential debates came from these three news outlets — Jim Lehrer, Charlie Gibson and Gwen Ifill," Groseclose said. "If these newscasters weren't centrist, staffers for one of the campaign teams would have objected and insisted on other moderators."

The fourth most centrist outlet was "Special Report With Brit Hume" on Fox News, which often is cited by liberals as an egregious example of a right-wing outlet. While this news program proved to be right of center, the study found ABC's "World News Tonight" and NBC's "Nightly News" to be left of center. All three outlets were approximately equidistant from the center, the report found.



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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 3:02:30 PM   
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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 3:05:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Thadius

Here is a fun read.

Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist

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Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS' "Evening News," The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.

Only Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and The Washington Times scored right of the average U.S. voter.

The most centrist outlet proved to be the "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer." CNN's "NewsNight With Aaron Brown" and ABC's "Good Morning America" were a close second and third.

"Our estimates for these outlets, we feel, give particular credibility to our efforts, as three of the four moderators for the 2004 presidential and vice-presidential debates came from these three news outlets — Jim Lehrer, Charlie Gibson and Gwen Ifill," Groseclose said. "If these newscasters weren't centrist, staffers for one of the campaign teams would have objected and insisted on other moderators."

The fourth most centrist outlet was "Special Report With Brit Hume" on Fox News, which often is cited by liberals as an egregious example of a right-wing outlet. While this news program proved to be right of center, the study found ABC's "World News Tonight" and NBC's "Nightly News" to be left of center. All three outlets were approximately equidistant from the center, the report found.



So the centre over there is defined as the average American voter? I suppose that sort of makes sense, but I always get the impression that s/he leans quite a bit to the right, so that's your centre shifted far enough that somebody doesn't need to do much to get dismissed as a liberal. Still, it explains all of this drivel about Obama being a communist at least.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 3:09:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't realize that Media Matters was a non partisan or balanced source.... That says something about your particular bias, no?

BTW, the secondary link that posted the story in its entirety was a nice touch....

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 3:13:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


That was tongue in cheek, mike. A play on one of braniacs earlier posts.


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u With out starting a flame war with you,Sanity...and recalling how many times you have declared yourself to be center-right(center equating to the middle)...how do you type that line to brainiac and keep a straight face?
I mean can't that easily be turned around on you.....don't you spew  venomous right wing rhetoric as a daily exercise?
Or is it a case of only the stuff on the left is actually "venomous"?

Fair enough...but there is an actual question there....You have on numerous occasions declared both the country and yourself as "center-right".....in light of all of your partisan postings.How can you make this claim?

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 3:19:34 PM   
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Fair enough...but there is an actual question there....You have on numerous occasions declared both the country and yourself as "center-right".....in light of all of your partisan postings.How can you make this claim?


Center-right and center-left have differing opinions on where the center is.

I miss Clinton. He may have been a perv but he was enough of a socialist to keep people from starving and enough of a nationalist to bomb the fuck out of countries that needed it.

That's a "moderate" to me

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 3:20:09 PM   
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Is that your form of cbt?...your profile says you are a sub....are you coming out?

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 3:21:36 PM   
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There was a whole thread on that which I participated in fully. Why not go look that thread up and ask your questions there (after reading what has already been discussed of course)  instead of hijacking this one?

I believe it has my username in the title, which should make it easy enough for you to find it.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4uFair enough...but there is an actual question there....You have on numerous occasions declared both the country and yourself as "center-right".....in light of all of your partisan postings.How can you make this claim?


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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 3:30:57 PM   
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Call me the "Right Wing Nut Cracker."

Is that your form of cbt?...your profile says you are a sub....are you coming out?

I'm still trying to reconcile my sex and politics. I'm not sure which one should be a hard limit ;)

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 3:32:35 PM   
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Hey, Thad, you're welcome to imagine that Jeffrey Milyo and his methodology, and his cheques from the Cato Institute, constitute unbiased research, but most people who bother to read the link will see that's a bit of a giggle.

It's a longish read, but that's because Milyo's methodology fails in a lot of fundamental ways. 

I wouldn't expect you to keep a straight face if I started citing Ward Churchill as some sort of oracle of objectivity.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 3:33:31 PM   
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There was a whole thread on that which I participated in fully. Why not go look that thread up and ask your questions there (after reading what has already been discussed of course)  instead of hijacking this one?

I believe it has my username in the title, which should make it easy enough for you to find it.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4uFair enough...but there is an actual question there....You have on numerous occasions declared both the country and yourself as "center-right".....in light of all of your partisan postings.How can you make this claim?

If you don't want to answer ...just say so,don't hide behind that hijack bullshit after you opened the can of worms with your original post to brainiac.
Lame and weak.....

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 3:55:36 PM   
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Hey, Thad, you're welcome to imagine that Jeffrey Milyo and his methodology, and his cheques from the Cato Institute, constitute unbiased research, but most people who bother to read the link will see that's a bit of a giggle.

It's a longish read, but that's because Milyo's methodology fails in a lot of fundamental ways. 

I wouldn't expect you to keep a straight face if I started citing Ward Churchill as some sort of oracle of objectivity.

Nah, like I said it made for an interesting read. I was just replying to your claim that Media Matters was a "balanced source". Their own description is of a "non-profit progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."

Which is hardly a balanced source or non-partisan.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 4:33:21 PM   
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Hmm. I'm considerably more interested in the evidence they lay out, and SpinWatch tends to be one of the more thorough and thoughtful voices on the subject.

Likewise, I'm interested in how Milyo presented conclusions that are so different than, and apparently unaware of, all of the academic work that's been done in this and those answers are troubling,

As you must know, SpinWatch posted the MediaMatters piece on Milyo's work, presumably because it's thorough and factual, which it is.  My professional interest in lobbying and influence-peddling in relation to news media led me to monitor various sites, and SpinWatch does a better, (and again, more factually thorough) job than most, and I find them to be, by any measure, a more balanced source than Milyo.

Which is a long way of saying I'm more interested in content and analysis of "bias", from any side.

If you're saying the Milyo study is an "interesting" read, but certainly not credible, then we're agreed on that.

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ORIGINAL: mcbride

Hey, Thad, you're welcome to imagine that Jeffrey Milyo and his methodology, and his cheques from the Cato Institute, constitute unbiased research, but most people who bother to read the link will see that's a bit of a giggle.

It's a longish read, but that's because Milyo's methodology fails in a lot of fundamental ways. 

I wouldn't expect you to keep a straight face if I started citing Ward Churchill as some sort of oracle of objectivity.

Nah, like I said it made for an interesting read. I was just replying to your claim that Media Matters was a "balanced source". Their own description is of a "non-profit progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."

Which is hardly a balanced source or non-partisan.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 4:34:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

And its not just Matthews... the left has been apoplectic since those on the Right started using "regime" in connection with Obama.


I think Republicans should give them a amensty.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 5:40:08 PM   
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Ever wish you could be something other than a lowly little troll, mike? Like maybe one of the smart guys who post facts and discuss issues that you poor mindless little bastards spend all of your time trying to tear down?


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4uIf you don't want to answer ...just say so,don't hide behind that hijack bullshit after you opened the can of worms with your original post to brainiac.
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