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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 5:46:02 PM   
slvemike4u


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Status: offline 		And still no answer to the damm question.
Just some more of your personal attack bullshit...but no fucking answer.You are consistant sanity....consistantly evasive!

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 5:47:16 PM   
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And still no answer to the damm question.
Just some more of your personal attack bullshit...but no fucking answer.You are consistant sanity....consistantly evasive!


Did you check the thread he referred to?

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 5:51:16 PM   
slvemike4u


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Status: offline 		I was involved in the thread Elisabella.... that is what inspired the question....he consistanlty asserts that he is "center-right"..I disputed that there...and since he opened the door,and in light of his post I still dispute it!

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 5:53:22 PM   
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You want to hijack every thread to talk about me, and thats a problem. I told you theres a thread with my name on it.

Go there if you're really interested in an answer. If you just want to troll and hijack then do it alone.


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

And still no answer to the damm question.
Just some more of your personal attack bullshit...but no fucking answer.You are consistant sanity....consistantly evasive!


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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 5:55:38 PM   
slvemike4u


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Status: offline 		Fuck it....as usual you just won't answer a direct question...all well and good Sanity,but hiding behind the "hijack" thing as you engage in numerous posts is a fucking laugh....but I expected no less from the likes of you.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 6:00:58 PM   
Elisabella


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Status: offline 		I read the thread, and I agree with Sanity's premise. There is no objective "center" - at best it's relative to the population, at worst it's relevant to the individual currently using the word.

In Taliban Afghanistan, believing a woman should be allowed to walk the streets without a male relative to escort her would be a "moderate" position. If I'm reading him right, Sanity is saying that if his beliefs were plotted on a curve in relation to the beliefs of the populace at whole, he'd be near the middle, on the side of "conservative."

And he has a point.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 6:02:45 PM   
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Hey, Thad, you're welcome to imagine that Jeffrey Milyo and his methodology, and his cheques from the Cato Institute, constitute unbiased research, but most people who bother to read the link will see that's a bit of a giggle.

It's a longish read, but that's because Milyo's methodology fails in a lot of fundamental ways. 

I wouldn't expect you to keep a straight face if I started citing Ward Churchill as some sort of oracle of objectivity.

Nah, like I said it made for an interesting read. I was just replying to your claim that Media Matters was a "balanced source". Their own description is of a "non-profit progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."

Which is hardly a balanced source or non-partisan.

Have to disagree here, Thad. Partisan doesn't necessarily mean that the information presented is factually incorrect, and although Media Matters is progressive, I wouldn't exactly call them partisan. They don't spin facts in favor of a progressive or liberal agenda; they "fact check" conservative spin and misinformation and present the correct information. When conservative media is honest in their reporting, Media Matters leaves them alone.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 6:24:11 PM   
slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

I read the thread, and I agree with Sanity's premise. There is no objective "center" - at best it's relative to the population, at worst it's relevant to the individual currently using the word.

In Taliban Afghanistan, believing a woman should be allowed to walk the streets without a male relative to escort her would be a "moderate" position. If I'm reading him right, Sanity is saying that if his beliefs were plotted on a curve in relation to the beliefs of the populace at whole, he'd be near the middle, on the side of "conservative."

And he has a point.
No he doesn't,not to my mind.The way I'm looking at it,and I will grant I might be mistaken is center would equate with moderate(that is my take on it) Sanity's take on it is self serving at best....it allows him to hold far-right wing positions(including the labeling on anyone to his left as a "libtard") while claiming to hold a centrist position.
A true centrist position could see both sides of the coin on a given issue...Sanity comes down consistantly on the "far-right" of almost all issues....ipso-fatco...he is no centrist and isn't even center right.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 6:38:05 PM   
Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
No he doesn't,not to my mind.The way I'm looking at it,and I will grant I might be mistaken is center would equate with moderate(that is my take on it) Sanity's take on it is self serving at best....it allows him to hold far-right wing positions(including the labeling on anyone to his left as a "libtard") while claiming to hold a centrist position.
A true centrist position could see both sides of the coin on a given issue...Sanity comes down consistantly on the "far-right" of almost all issues....ipso-fatco...he is no centrist and isn't even center right.


I'm not Sanity's PR rep, and whether you agree with him or not is immaterial at least to me, since you were saying he hadn't answered your question when in fact he did.

I can see the logic of both sides of an issue, that doesn't mean I agree with both sides of the issue or that I'm a centrist, unless you go by averages.. I think abortion, drugs and gay marriage should be legal, without a doubt, but I can hold my own quite well if for some reason I was asked to defend the opposite side. So those beliefs would make me "left wing" as well as the fact that I feel a socialized democracy is the best option we have on the table at the moment.

At the same time I support nationalism over globalism, minimal government interference in personal issues (which for some reason is considered "right" in theory while the actual implementation, ie gay marriage and legal drugs, is considered "left" and there's no way in hell I'll ever be able to wrap my brain around THAT one) and I'm against amnesty for illegal immigrants which would make me "right wing" - which is why I think it's so meaningless...because aside from some of the 'extremist' views like legal drugs...most Americans agree with a lot of what I say. So not only am I "right wing" and "left wing" but I'm "moderate" as well on many things.

Anyway TL;DR...my point was really that the definition of "moderate" is wholly dependent on time and place, there is no such thing as an objective "moderate" position that has stood the test of time. "Left" and "Right" are points on a spectrum, not individual entities. At least in my opinion.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 6:45:51 PM   
slvemike4u


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Status: offline 		All good Elisabella,and little there for me to argue with(save the Sanity part,I don't for a minute feel he answered the question...especially in light of his brainiac post)...hell I would go a little farther...most people would,when asked declare they are centrists.....it's my beleif they do so because it is more comfortable to see themselves as such.....But heres the thing,for a country which polls as "center -right"....why are we so polarised
If all of the people who claim to be center right were truly center right...would not the political discourse in this country be more civilised?

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 6:46:42 PM   
Elisabella


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All good Elisabella,and little there for me to argue with(save the Sanity part,I don't for a minute feel he answered the question...especially in light of his brainiac post)...hell I would go a little farther...most people would,when asked declare they are centrists.....it's my beleif they do so because it is more comfortable to see themselves as such.....But heres the thing,for a country which polls as "center -right"....why are we so polarised
If all of the people who claim to be center right were truly center right...would not the political discourse in this country be more civilised?


I'm of the impression that 10% of the people make 90% of the noise.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 6:50:48 PM   
slvemike4u


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Status: offline 		LOL...okay I can go along with that.....now can you agree that Sanity is responsible for 50% of the noise that the 10% are making.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 6:52:33 PM   
Elisabella


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LOL...okay I can go along with that.....now can you agree that Sanity is responsible for 50% of the noise that the 10% are making.


On this thread? Sure. With you bringing up the other 50%

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 6:57:13 PM   
slvemike4u


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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 6:57:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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LOL...okay I can go along with that.....now can you agree that Sanity is responsible for 50% of the noise that the 10% are making.


On this thread? Sure. With you bringing up the other 50%


They do make quite a couple, don't they


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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 6:58:55 PM   
slvemike4u


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Status: offline 		Please don't go there.....as it is I'm not feeling well tonight to begin with.....being violently ill,while suffering from back pain is so not enjoyable.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 7:00:08 PM   
Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Touche...and played nicely....you are good 


Thank you dear, all in good fun

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 7:00:18 PM   
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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 7:02:28 PM   
slvemike4u


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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/6/2010 8:36:58 PM   
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No... the Manistream media had been using regime for years, talking about Bush 43.. Unless you are calling (admitting) NBC, The New York Times and The Washington Post are Left Wing extremists??????


When will people learn to tell the difference between columns and articles?

Or, I suppose the question should be, want to?





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