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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 12:53:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Elisibella, why do you think that Legalising Drugs is leftist? That is a central theme of Libertarians, which are considered "right".

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 1:19:43 AM   
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Elisibella, why do you think that Legalising Drugs is leftist? That is a central theme of Libertarians, which are considered "right".


Libertarians to me are what liberals should be...they are neither left nor right. They are "up".

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 1:25:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually they are pretty far to the right on most issues Elisabella. Farther right than I on most things. laissez faire everything. No public shools, no unemployment insurance, no zoning laws, no killing babies, no public health, ect


But what is leftist about legalising (or using) drugs?

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 1:42:09 AM   
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Actually they are pretty far to the right on most issues Elisabella. Farther right than I on most things. laissez faire everything. No public shools, no unemployment insurance, no zoning laws, no killing babies, no public health, ect


But what is leftist about legalising (or using) drugs?


Hmm...the libertarians I've met then either misrepresented it or didn't know enough about it to be able to claim the title.

I can't say for sure what's left about legalizing drugs aside from the fact that most politicians in favor of it are on the D-side. Though that wouldn't make it inherently one thing or the other, I suppose.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 1:55:48 PM   
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No... the Manistream media had been using regime for years, talking about Bush 43.. Unless you are calling (admitting) NBC, The New York Times and The Washington Post are Left Wing extremists??????


When will people learn to tell the difference between columns and articles?

Or, I suppose the question should be, want to?



Did you actually read the Byron York column?


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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 2:11:30 PM   
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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 2:23:25 PM   
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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 3:13:45 PM   
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Elisibella, why do you think that Legalising Drugs is leftist? That is a central theme of Libertarians, which are considered "right".

Is it really? There was me thinking that their main bugbear was how all governmental restrictions on the free flow of capitalism are a bad thing, and that taxation is just plain evil.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 4:11:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		yes, moon including the trade in drugs, and a desire to get rid of government interference in that market..

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 6:16:06 PM   
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Do you actually understand the importance of the difference?


What in all of journalism says one cannot "report" facts in a column?

But again, if you would actually read the Byron York link, you will find that it is about the rehtoric of political discourse not the difference between a column and a news article.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 6:17:43 PM   
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yes, moon including the trade in drugs, and a desire to get rid of government interference in that market..


But not the trade in abortion?

Serious question here.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 6:30:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well from thier perspective abortion is murder. Libertarians do believe in rights (enumerated in the federal and state constitutions)and contracts. Which includes the right "to life". So the child has a right to not be killed, which is paramount to other considerations.

Though I suppose when it comes to abortion inducing drugs it becomes confusing.



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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 6:32:00 PM   
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Do you actually understand the importance of the difference?


What in all of journalism says one cannot "report" facts in a column?

But again, if you would actually read the Byron York link, you will find that it is about the rehtoric of political discourse not the difference between a column and a news article.
One can report "facts" in a column...one can also add one's viewpoint in deciphering said facts.....and that is the difference,Straight reporting ,is just that a straight and unadorned recitation of the who,what,where and when of an event.
If one cannot diferrentiate between the two...than any discussion concerning the "media" is pointless.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 6:34:03 PM   
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Well from thier perspective abortion is murder. Libertarians do believe in rights (enumerated in the federal and state constitutions)and contracts. Which includes the right "to life". So the child has a right to not be killed, which is paramount to other considerations.

Though I suppose when it comes to abortion inducing drugs it becomes confusing.


Would not a "libertarian" point of view start with the fact that government has no business legislating what one can do with one's body?
Isn't that like the "holy grail" of libertarianism?

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 6:40:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		mike If you want to act dumb, that is your right. but try to grasp this, imagine that people might think different from you......

From thier perspective the baby is a seperate life. It is not part of the woman, it is an individual. So they think it is wrong to kill it. Sort of like the way most people think it is wrong to kill a 2 year old baby, if you don't want it or your situation has changed

Notice I am am saying "they" not "we".



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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 6:50:59 PM   
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mike If you want to act dumb, that is your right. but try to grasp this, imagine that people might think different from you......

From thier perspective the baby is a seperate life. It is not part of the woman, it is an individual. So they think it is wrong to kill it. Sort of like the way most people think it is wrong to kill a 2 year old baby, if you don't want it or your situation has changed

Notice I am am saying "they" not "we".


Was that your oh so clever way of calling me dumb?
Or,and this is just me going out on a limb here....perhaps it is you "acting dumb"?.....like your presenting of "liberterianism" as one monolithic point of view which just happens to agree with your rather obvious religious right conservative bullshit.
Where is it written that a "libertarian" can not hold a view that the life of the mother takes precedence over the non-viable "life" of the fetus....and as such government is supposed to keep itself out of that womans life?
I don't know who it is you usually sell this bullshit to,but it won't cut it here just because you say so !

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 7:03:16 PM   
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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 7:16:00 PM   
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Do you actually understand the importance of the difference?


What in all of journalism says one cannot "report" facts in a column?

But again, if you would actually read the Byron York link, you will find that it is about the rehtoric of political discourse not the difference between a column and a news article.


That's quite a jump. Anything else unrelated you want to lump in there?

Here was your tangent:
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No... the Manistream media had been using regime for years, talking about Bush 43.. Unless you are calling (admitting) NBC, The New York Times and The Washington Post are Left Wing extremists??????

And that's where you lump the news together with the columnists. After all, columnists have opposing views--do you see the papers as conflicted? The rest of the world sees it as the opinion page---and also reads it as such.

I respect the Wall St. Journal, for example, as a reliable news source. And I stay away from the rabidly right wing editorial page of recent years. Or at least separate it from any factual news analysis with any real intent to strive for objectivity.

Or is it just that you have trouble understanding causal relationships, how one moves from points to conclusion?

None of that will change by reading your columnist.

If you want to STICK to the issues raised by the column, I'd respect that. But you've wandered off posts ago.

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 7:27:58 PM   
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Yawn......troll be gone!!!!
What is with you schmucks...whenever someone presents you with a legitimate question...one in which your prepackaged talking points just won't cut it....you idiots resort to that "troll" thing.Has it occured to you that there sure seems to be an awful lot of us here?

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RE: How dare the Right Wing Fear Mongers Use "Regi... - 4/7/2010 7:43:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		nah, only about 4 of you are trolls.

So you jump into my answer to ellisabella, angrily throwing insults (at me) and stupidity. So I call you a troll. You are one.

Yes, you are right, Libertarians are not an entirley monolithic bloc. No party is. Its just a dumb response by you.

Generally they, and specifically their recent candidates, are anti abortion. For the reason that the Baby's right to live trumps other considerations.

Using your "logic" one can not say the democrats are in favor of women having the right to choose abortions.

In fact no party can be said to be in favor of anything.......


That is what you are saying boils down to.

And its dumb
and its trollish.









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