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Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 10:06:28 AM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		This is very confusing. How is it that the Democrats are worried about losing seats? Don't they expect the voters will reward them for their efforts to date?
The prospect of losing two House seats in back-to-back special elections next month has sparked a vigorous, behind-the-scenes Democratic effort, designed to avoid an outcome that could lead to panic among the rank and file and stall the momentum generated by the recent passage of landmark health care legislation.

The trajectories of the two elections, which will take place in Pennsylvania and Hawaii over a span of four days next month, have raised alarm bells among top party officials who fear that a pair of defeats in the Democratic-held seats could amount to a Massachusetts Senate sequel, overshadowing President Barack Obama’s health care reform plan and reinforcing a narrative that the Democratic Party is on track for severe losses in November.

I'm also wondering what "momentum" the article references. The President's popularity? Congress? The popularity of the President's move for unilateral disarmament? The Russian response to that initiative? The stabling of unemployment at 9.7% nationally?

I appreciate that the Democrats were too shy to brag about their accomplishments and didn't want to have a standard vote on the final Health Care Bill but why aren't they proud to stand up and represent themselves as being the power responsible for the country over the past year and run on their record? Fully in charge and with unlimited power in Congress until January, The Democrats brought forth all these results - I don't understand why they are concerned about losing the momentum they generated?

Hell, they even made the US Dollar equal to the Canadian Dollar! No other administration has accomplished this result!

Why are they worried? Hell - it's still early, I'm sure by promising some more entitlements, giving the public employee unions guarantees of no layoffs or cuts, a plurality of voters will turn out!

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 10:15:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Merc, I am not aware of the PA snag.

I will say- anti incumbent (D or R) any office is pretty  verbose in my circles, online and real time. 

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 10:22:51 AM   
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You mean you haven't caught the new message, well not that new. The president needs to get out and correct all of the misrepresentations of what the new law does or doesn't do, so that they can seal the deal. It will also be much easier to sell the agenda once the stimulus money from last year gets distributed this year. The big sales pitch is just ramping up, and with jobs numbers that are expected over the next couple of months (even if they are temp) to increase, the picture will look a little prettier (even if it's a mirage).

I actually caught one of the talking heads on the radio while running earlier, he painted an interesting concept. He said that the only positive that all 3 political ideologies could agree on was that the President was born in the US, and that we should expect to see more tarring of dissenters with the birther label. The old kill the messenger play from the political handbook. Who knows?

I suggest that they are worried because of the historical trends of voters during a mid-term, especially during a mid-term as polarized as this one is shaping up to be. The Dems are seeing flashbacks of the first term Clinton mid-terms. I don't blame them for being worried, they have helped to create the current level of anger and rhetoric.

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 10:40:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Thadius
You mean you haven't caught the new message, well not that new. The president needs to get out and correct all of the misrepresentations of what the new law does or doesn't do, so that they can seal the deal.
I don't see anyone believing the rhetoric this time around. Besides, under present circumstances the
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'ALL IS WELL"
 platform best represents the same reality as it did in the clip from Animal House.

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It will also be much easier to sell the agenda once the stimulus money from last year gets distributed this year.

The big fly in that ointment is the specter of $4.00/gallon gas coming this summer with oil rising to $87/barrel today.
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Merc, I am not aware of the PA snag.

I will say- anti incumbent (D or R) any office is pretty  verbose in my circles, online and real time. 


We belong to the same political party. The only way to disarm the special interest PACs is by supporting anyone not in office; regardless of political party.

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 10:40:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe they are concerned because in Hawaii it appears that two Dems are running and might split the votes in a heavily dem area allowing the Republican to win the seat.

Of course you would view this as a cry against Obamacare instead of understanding what actually had transpired.

If a Dem wins in Hawaii does this mean that you were wrong and that America loves Obamacare? Of course not.

Just another ridiculous post made by a man unable to accurately view the landscape and who is blinded by his political affiliations.

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 10:41:23 AM   
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He also says they can not turn back- cos it is too late to reverse it all.

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 10:48:38 AM   
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Original: domiguy
Just another ridiculous post made by a man unable to accurately view the landscape and who is blinded by his political affiliations.
What are my "political affiliations"?

I take it you represent a clearer perspective; what landscape do you see? Why is it different than the Democrats? The people who the article represents as "troubled" and "worried"? Or is that article written by another person "blinded by his political affiliation"? Must be right?

Having any other opinion, or just taking the results at face value; is only possible if an agenda is involved. Therefor is should be easy to assemble non-agenda based opinion, but positive results for Congress and this Administration. It seems to be a problem for the Democratic Party in this case - why don't you help them out and put together a campaign strategy based upon their results as the party in power, without the threat of filibuster conflict until January, since it's so clear to you?

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 10:57:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth


Why are they worried? Hell - it's still early, I'm sure by promising some more entitlements, giving the public employee unions guarantees of no layoffs or cuts, a plurality of voters will turn out!


I understand sarcasm.

But do you actually think any of these events would have any impact on the May elections?

Of course not.

It is just another attempt for a self admitted uneducated man to try to make a point on how he is not affiliated with any political party. Which again, even to the most uneducated of readers, fails dramatically.

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 11:00:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know if gasoline will go up to $4 a gallon again. The last time it did the economy just fell off a cliff.
I was out one night at about 8 pm and it was like a ghost town around here! You'd have thought it was 4 a.m.!
I was the only car in a normally very busy gas station and I bought only 3 gallons.
As for the Dems yes, they'll lose a lot of seats in the House and in the Senate. Too many people are pissed-off about that healthcare bill.
If they try any "amnesty" crap they'll lose the House no doubt.
The trick in politics is to have The People *with* you, not doing things that make The People angry. When The People are angry they show up to vote and it's not going to be good for the people or party in Washington who made them angry!

P.S. I think Clint Eastwood put it very eloquently; "Go ahead, make my day."

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 11:09:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		The economy is not too terribly bad here in central PA.  (but then we don't get the major booms as other places  do)

There is alot of chatter over the health reform-   ...not very flattering chatter.

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 3:09:01 PM   
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Gas was pushing $4.50 a gallon in Yellowstone that July, and that was a great year to visit. There were no motorhomes, very few big camper trailers or buses, and even the people visiting by cars and suvs were way down. Plenty of places to park, lots of campsites were available on a first come first serve basis and we didn't have to fight the crowds nearly as much as I expected we would.

But you're right that it was a huge hit on the economy, and that might be a contributing factor to how worried the Democrats seem these days. Do you think that may be why Obama reversed himself, and decided to pay a little bit of lip service to allowing some very limited exploration for offshore oil?




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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 5:42:52 PM   
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 6:16:21 PM   
Mercnbeth


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But do you actually think any of these events would have any impact on the May elections?

Of course not.
Which again, even to the most uneducated of readers, fails dramatically.


DG -The problem is, the article quotes Democratic concern - NOT mine. I don't understand why they should be concerned with knowledgeable people such as yourself celebrating all they have accomplished. For me, you represent the intelligent mindset of the Democratic party. They should be as proud to have you as a supporter as you are in supporting their 'regime'.

Seriously, the one thing your post proves - with as little education that I have; I still have one ability you lack - reading skills, and most of all, comprehension.

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 6:42:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL:Thadius

I suggest that they are worried because of the historical trends of voters during a mid-term, especially during a mid-term as polarized as this one is shaping up to be. The Dems are seeing flashbacks of the first term Clinton mid-terms. I don't blame them for being worried, they have helped to create the current level of anger and rhetoric.

Still clinging to my faith and guns in Michigan,
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How have they helped do that?

I admit to bias, but it seems to me the angry rhetoric has been on only one side. 

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 6:46:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe the arrogance of Pelosi, Reid and Obama himself might have something to do with it ?

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 6:55:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps Democratic leadership is concerned because it is their job to be concerned.What is the issue here there are special elections coming up soon...and November is the mid term elections...Democratic leadership is merely doing what they are supposed to do...imagining the worst and game planning to avoid it.
Does anyone think the Republican powers that be are doing any different(when not in BDSM strip clubs of course....lol).

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 7:00:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		The dems lost 3 high profile elections before the health care mess was passed. If they lose these 2 seats, it will indeed be panic time.

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 10:14:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Maybe they are concerned because in Hawaii it appears that two Dems are running and might split the votes in a heavily dem area allowing the Republican to win the seat.

Of course you would view this as a cry against Obamacare instead of understanding what actually had transpired.





Isn't that how Clinton won, DG? Twice? Will a Tea Party candidate and a Republican splitting the conservatives mean the Dem win is an endorsement of Pres. Obama?

Steering back towards the actual topic, the Dems are worried because the smart ones understand that the "big fucking deal" on health care may have been the high water mark for this administration.

There might also be a few Dems hip enough to get where 17 minute answers come from. That's definitely worth worrying about.


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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 10:16:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		On the Howie Carr Show today (WRKO 680-am Boston) Howie said that Reid has a 62% unfavorability rating.
He said that you don't win when that rating goes past 40%.

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 10:20:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Maybe the arrogance of Pelosi, Reid and Obama himself might have something to do with it ?


Or maybe the arrogance is your perception based on your opposing political beliefs. 

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