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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 10:29:43 PM   
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Maybe they are concerned because in Hawaii it appears that two Dems are running and might split the votes in a heavily dem area allowing the Republican to win the seat.

Of course you would view this as a cry against Obamacare instead of understanding what actually had transpired.





Isn't that how Clinton won, DG? Twice? Will a Tea Party candidate and a Republican splitting the conservatives mean the Dem win is an endorsement of Pres. Obama?

Steering back towards the actual topic, the Dems are worried because the smart ones understand that the "big fucking deal" on health care may have been the high water mark for this administration.

There might also be a few Dems hip enough to get where 17 minute answers come from. That's definitely worth worrying about.




the only thing that will matter come November is the economy.

If people do not have a more positive outlook on jobs or the economy the Dems are in for a shake up. If things change for the better between now and then no one will give a fuck about Obamacare, the war, the tea baggers, Sarah Palin or what Obama has or has not done.

It has to get really bad before the nascar nation decides to take a stand.

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 10:42:30 PM   
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Chapman says the  PTB are losing control.


He also says they can not turn back- cos it is too late to reverse it all.



Then it certainly must be true, because we all know Bob is the ultimate authority.

Next to Alex, of course.

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 10:55:01 PM   
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the only thing that will matter come November is the economy.

If people do not have a more positive outlook on jobs or the economy the Dems are in for a shake up. If things change for the better between now and then no one will give a fuck about Obamacare, the war, the tea baggers, Sarah Palin or what Obama has or has not done.

It has to get really bad before the nascar nation decides to take a stand.


Excellent point. There were protesters all over the streets in 03, didn't stop Bush's re-election in 04.

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 11:02:02 PM   
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Excellent point. There were protesters all over the streets in 03, didn't stop Bush's re-election in 04.


They helped make it happen. Fucking dumbasses.

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/6/2010 11:34:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is sure thing the Democrats will loose seats. This will happen for the same reason why the Republicans lost control of the US Congress: during difficult times the party in power is considered responsible by the people. Propaganda is very ineffective under the current circumstances. One may blame the Republicans, the Chinese, Christian militias, the bankers and so on. It will not work. It seems the current crisis is a major system crisis. The government, as usual, does everything to maintain status quo (by using the bailouts, massive borrowing and deficits).  People would vote for a government that takes decisive actions to change the system even if things are not improving fast.  I like Obama, but he is not the man for this. Neither are democrat leaders in the Congress. Ann Coulter offered Obama one of her balls (W. Maher joke). The result will be Republican takeover and the next downhill cycle will start. 

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/7/2010 2:44:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Many good points and observations however, one thing not accounted for in this election is the number of contested primaries in both parties. I think the Republicans might very well have a friendly fox in their henhouse in the Tea Party folks.
Contested primaries simply bode poorly for both parties and even in some rather secure Republican districts their is the ultra conservative facing what has been a mainstream conservative in prior elections. Merc's point on the Democrats has merit but, the tea party folks could very well throw a wrench in the Republican plans if, after the primaries they indeed stick around for the general election in the way of 3rd party candidates. I believer there is a lack of trust within the Republican base for Mr Steel and many of the incumbant Republicans as well as issues of perception of the direction of the Democratic party by the general public. I will be an apt observer as the elections roll around and will be as interested in watching the Republican primaries as I am the Democratic.


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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/7/2010 7:25:00 AM   
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I suggest that they are worried because of the historical trends of voters during a mid-term, especially during a mid-term as polarized as this one is shaping up to be. The Dems are seeing flashbacks of the first term Clinton mid-terms. I don't blame them for being worried, they have helped to create the current level of anger and rhetoric.

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How have they helped do that?

I admit to bias, but it seems to me the angry rhetoric has been on only one side. 



How many outright attacks on everyday folks have been put out by various members of the Dem leadership since 2008? Any opposition to any position put forth by President Obama, has been met with cries of racism, hatred, bigotry, misinformation, ignorance, etc... How many times have the Dems referred to the Tea Party movement as "astroturf", while trying to put forth an image that their bussed in union protesters somehow is representative of a mainstream grassroots movement? What was the purpose of Speaker Pelosi marching through the protesters with that giant gavel leading some minority congressional Dems to the vote (she was hoping to incite something, that didn't occur)? How many times have the Dems tried to tar the folks in "fly over country" as whackjobs who "cling to their guns and religion"? Do you remember the news conference where Speaker Pelosi pulled forth those crocodile tears over fears of violence in the future, (when there was absolutely no sign of any violence associated with the protests, except from some members of SEIU)?

So this racist, homophobic, ignorant, fundie, teabagger is going to have to agree with you about the angry rhetoric being mostly from one side. See, there is a difference in the rhetoric, some is focused on policy and the direction of the country, while other rhetoric is aimed at individuals and groups of people. If you can't see the difference in the rhetoric, perhaps bias isn't the only issue?

Then again this could just be another vast right wing conspiracy...


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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/7/2010 7:53:12 AM   
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Do you think that may be why Obama reversed himself, and decided to pay a little bit of lip service to allowing some very limited exploration for offshore oil?


NO bout adout it.

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/7/2010 8:02:59 AM   
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/7/2010 8:51:19 AM   
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Why is the Democratic Party worried?


Because the Republican Party currently has little to lose.

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/7/2010 9:30:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		They are worried because they know that Americans know that originally they wanted to include Illegal Aliens, Abortion, and a public option in their health care plan which is unconstitutional. No where in the Constitution does it authorize the federal government to create a public option. According to the 10th amendment, if the constitution does not specifically authorize the federal government to do something, then that power is reserved to the states. They are also worried about the lawsuits that have been filed, arguing that forcing people to buy something they don't want is unconstitutional as well. That's why they delayed implementation of it until a few years later, hoping that the lawsuits will end by then, and people will forget about it. Unfortunately for them, there's going to be about 20 million people who are forced to buy insurance that they really can't afford since they are already committed to an expensive mortgage, and those people are going to be pissed off voters when they lose their house or get penalized for not having insurance.

Yes Americans did vote for health care reform that we hoped would lower costs, but what they got was another partisan big government plan that excluded 12 amendments that republicans tried to add to improve it and lower costs. For example, Senator Coburn tried to include an amendment to ban insurance paying for viagra for sex offenders, and they had the audacity to claim it was a crass political stunt. These people are absolutely insane. I suspect they will even require insurers to cover private schools for autistic children that will run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars for each kid. When in reality, we already have special ed teachers that can be taught these very same techniques.

That's the big difference between democrats and republicans. Democrats don't really care whether we can afford it or not.  If they can't raise taxes to pay for it they will resort to backdoor taxes on businesses, corporations, financial institutions, and energy companies where people usually aren't aware that the costs are passed on to the consumer.

Republicans realize that every government agency and program ever created starts out small, but soon escalates to another out of control bureaucracy, that sucks the American tax payer dry. Republicans realize that it doesn't matter how much money you give the government, they will always want more. Therefore, the best policy is to control government spending and limit the size of the federal government in the first place.

I estimate there will be about 75 democrats in the house who will lose their seats over this.

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/7/2010 9:36:03 AM   
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Excellent point. There were protesters all over the streets in 03, didn't stop Bush's re-election in 04.


They helped make it happen. Fucking dumbasses.

Not half as much as Michael Moore did.
Why is that wanker the poster boy for the American left rather than Barbara Ehrenreich or Eric Schlosser?

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/7/2010 9:39:14 AM   
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Excellent point. There were protesters all over the streets in 03, didn't stop Bush's re-election in 04.


They helped make it happen. Fucking dumbasses.

Not half as much as Michael Moore did.
Why is that wanker the poster boy for the American left rather than Barbara Ehrenreich or Eric Schlosser?


Maybe because of the primo seating he received during the convention and other functions? Who knows?


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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/7/2010 9:45:04 AM   
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Democrats don't really care whether we can afford it or not.  If they can't raise taxes to pay for it they will resort to backdoor taxes on businesses, corporations, financial institutions, and energy companies where people usually aren't aware that the costs are passed on to the consumer.


I'm sorry, but you're drinking the Kool-Aid Reagan mixed and that still flows freely from the fountains.

Republicans also don't really care whether we can afford it. They will cut taxes and yet continue to increase spending, even resorting to silly tricks like keeping war spending out of the budget and passing a series of appropriations along the way. Borrow, borrow, borrow. Pass costs along to the states. Watch the deficit balloon.

Wake up. Your leaders are lining their coffers with your blindly given contributions.

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/7/2010 9:46:37 AM   
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Not to mention that reality for many Americans is movies and the TV.

I'd put a smiley face but it's really more sad than funny.


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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/7/2010 2:38:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think the democratic party is so worried. Politico may think that. Pffft.

I think Obama's administration will continue to accomplish and succeed and shock the shit out of the naysayers and republican'ts.



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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/7/2010 4:13:46 PM   
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I suggest that they are worried because of the historical trends of voters during a mid-term, especially during a mid-term as polarized as this one is shaping up to be. The Dems are seeing flashbacks of the first term Clinton mid-terms. I don't blame them for being worried, they have helped to create the current level of anger and rhetoric.

Still clinging to my faith and guns in Michigan,
Thadius


How have they helped do that?

I admit to bias, but it seems to me the angry rhetoric has been on only one side. 



How many outright attacks on everyday folks have been put out by various members of the Dem leadership since 2008? Any opposition to any position put forth by President Obama, has been met with cries of racism, hatred, bigotry, misinformation, ignorance, etc... How many times have the Dems referred to the Tea Party movement as "astroturf", while trying to put forth an image that their bussed in union protesters somehow is representative of a mainstream grassroots movement? What was the purpose of Speaker Pelosi marching through the protesters with that giant gavel leading some minority congressional Dems to the vote (she was hoping to incite something, that didn't occur)? How many times have the Dems tried to tar the folks in "fly over country" as whackjobs who "cling to their guns and religion"? Do you remember the news conference where Speaker Pelosi pulled forth those crocodile tears over fears of violence in the future, (when there was absolutely no sign of any violence associated with the protests, except from some members of SEIU)?

So this racist, homophobic, ignorant, fundie, teabagger is going to have to agree with you about the angry rhetoric being mostly from one side. See, there is a difference in the rhetoric, some is focused on policy and the direction of the country, while other rhetoric is aimed at individuals and groups of people. If you can't see the difference in the rhetoric, perhaps bias isn't the only issue?

Then again this could just be another vast right wing conspiracy...

Holy shit,it really is all about perspective isn't it?
I could quite easily flip this post on its ass....reverse all of the positions,tweak the events and the ocurrences a bit.....and basically present a mirror image of this post!

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/7/2010 4:19:52 PM   
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/7/2010 4:22:34 PM   
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I don't think the democratic party is so worried. Politico may think that. Pffft.

I think Obama's administration will continue to accomplish and succeed and shock the shit out of the naysayers and republican'ts.




Subtee, well that's a "good" thang. Tell them not to worry!

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RE: Why is the Democratic Party worried? - 4/7/2010 4:24:01 PM   
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