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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/9/2010 8:14:40 PM   
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Shit NG,that is a bit of a ,shall we say,lackadaisacel attitude when one is discussing nukes....I mean if we were just discussing submarines or something....yanno conventional,I could understant the attitude....but these are nukes,and therefor your way of looking at things is a tad dangerous.

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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/9/2010 8:18:18 PM   
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Its really a small world consisting of only a couple entities.  You have the aristocracy aka (the elite) who want to maintain power the military and the banksters and its all bout insuring no one gets to big to go up again the "gang".



You may have a point Real0ne...but I reckon you're line of thought is struggling a bit in one area.

The military and financiers are usually at odds when it comes to protracted wars.

Financiers understand better than anyone that protracted wars will kill your economy through the dislocation of trade and credit. Put it this way - were you to get involved in a protracted war tomorrow - the military may want it - the financiers certainly will not.


Thats not correct.

Financiers make and break countries for financial reasons.  Look at stores as an example I see such nice buildings getting torn down around here because lowes didnt like the awning that the old target store had.

it works the same way with economies and countries.

They are not really all that much at odds as financiers support any military that supports their ends and gives them a better market position.

Look at all those copied duplicated securities sold to china, hell the barnake even admitted that the crash of 29 was the banks fault more like it was a well planned operation.

Its basically an evil trio that creates the illusion of countries being attacked so people are fearful and want to go to war.

Its been done since the beginning of time because people are to dumb to wake up..

Oh yeh then war stimulates inflation and the dummies call the inflation growth.

I am telling its a racket like none I have ever seen before.  Way beyond most peoples sphere of understanding.





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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/9/2010 8:27:34 PM   
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Shit NG,that is a bit of a ,shall we say,lackadaisacel attitude when one is discussing nukes....I mean if we were just discussing submarines or something....yanno conventional,I could understant the attitude....but these are nukes,and therefor your way of looking at things is a tad dangerous.




Mike.....I couldn't care less about Iran and whatever nukes they do or do not hold. I find the whole thing boring and find it bizarre that with all this opportunity in the world.....where anything you want is within your grasp......that people are fixated on arguing and worrying about what a country thousands of miles away is doing. And I don't see why they would use them anymore than we would.

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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/9/2010 8:31:11 PM   
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When the nazis reported Katyn we chose to pay it no heed, presumably for fear of upsetting Uncle Joe, whom we needed at the time as a wall upon which the German, Hungarian, Romanian and Italian forces should crash and be destroyed - as they eventually were, thanks in no small part to US supplies shipped through the Arctic to the Russians by British Merchant Navy vessels. Once the nazi genocide came to light and the Iron Curtain (first mentioned by one Josef Goebbels, not Churchill) fell, the whole thing dropped down the agenda by comparison.

And Real - please stop with this nonsense about the Queen controlling your welfare regime in the US? The document you rely on, as has been pointed out to you, is a bilateral treaty on covering expat UK and US citizens in the respective countries and nothing more.

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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/9/2010 8:43:50 PM   
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They are not really all that much at odds as financiers support any military that supports their ends and gives them a better market position.



Then you lack a basic understanding.

I know you bring up the Rothschilds now and again.....have a look at how they behaved on the eve of WW1....in France/Germany/Britain.....they used their influence to attempt to prevent it.....because they knew what would happen and of course it did.....it killed European economies....and their personal wealth was dramatically cut because of it.

This is the British Rothschild urging his French cousins to use their influence to impress upon the Russian government:
 
1) The result of a war - however powerful a country their ally may be - is doubtful - but whatever the result may be - the sacrifices and misery attendant upon it are stupendous and untold. In this case the calamity would be greater than anything ever known.
 
2) France is Russia's greatest creditor - in fact the financial and economic conditions of the two countries are intimately connected and we hope you will do your best to bring any influence you may have - to bear upon your statesmen even at the last moment - to prevent this hideous struggle from taking place - and to point out to Russia that she owes this to France.
 
Rothschild sent a letter to the Kaiser appealing for peace.

Asquith (British Prime Minister): opinion is particularly strong in the city to keep out at all costs. (the city being the financial markets).

Ultimately - the banks couldn't stop the war - but the war could and did stop them.


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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/9/2010 8:52:44 PM   
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Yes Lady E,first mentioned by Goebbels,but in Cold War terms coined by Churchill in his...."Sinew of Peace" speech to illustrate what had happened to post war Eastern Europe.
Does it ever bother you ,this compulsion to have to get damm near everything just right Lady E,I know it would drive me batty...of course I get very little wrong so perhaps it wouldn't be too much of an issue

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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/9/2010 9:04:12 PM   
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Its a new fad Mike. If you'd seen the trial bundle I just put together for Court next month and how it (basically) crucifies the defence seven ways from Sunday, you might understand!

Though really its just about being disagreeable with you - you know so that certain posters are deceived into thinking we're not shacked up or the same person.

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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/9/2010 9:42:17 PM   
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Well if you really want to screw with a certain poster...perhaps we should just "shack up"...and send him a thank you note .
Shall you come over here or,and this would probably be better,what with your wonderful career and my simple slave status...I could hop over there.

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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/9/2010 9:45:49 PM   
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Oh Mike - we're in the same room, silly!

Ooops! there goes our cover

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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/9/2010 9:50:16 PM   
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from http://www.lacan.com/zizek-pompidou.htm

The actuality of the subject supposed to believe in Stalinist "totalitarianism" is perhaps best exemplified by the well-known incident concerning the Great Soviet Encyclopedia that occurred in 1954, immediately after the fall of Beria. When Soviet subscribers received the volume of the encyclopedia containing the entries under the letter B, there was, of course, a double-page article on Beria, praising him as the great hero of the Soviet Union. After his fall and denunciation as a traitor and spy, all subscribers received a letter from the publishing house asking them to cut out and return the page on Beria; in exchange they were promptly sent a double-page entry (with photos) on the Bering Strait, so that, when they inserted it into the volume, its wholeness was reestablished: there was no blank to bear witness to the sudden rewriting of history.

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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/9/2010 11:04:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
And Real - please stop with this nonsense about the Queen controlling your welfare regime in the US? The document you rely on, as has been pointed out to you, is a bilateral treaty on covering expat UK and US citizens in the respective countries and nothing more.

E


its been close to 10 years since I read it but I do remember the changes showed up here so what does it matter who is involved as long as it showed up here in our legislation shortly after?

What other treaties are there where we do not know the fine print?

You realize that nothing you said rebuts my point dont you?


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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/9/2010 11:19:58 PM   
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Good grief Real - there are bilateral treaties like this between nations all across this world. Theyre agreed because they make sense to both sides. I would expect the US has something similar with most of Europe - are you going to argue the Queen is directing the legislative programme and foreign policy of (for instance) Italy as well as the UK and thereby the US? or that such a treaty should prove that the Italians govern US policy?

If you examine that treaty, and all such treaties, you will see that they are also signed by the US official - can we take that as meaning that the real situation is exactly contrary to that which you state, and in fact it is the US that is making our welfare benefit laws?

Such treaties are also agreed between representatives and heads of state - ours shows the Queen and your representative, your corresponding one will show the President and our representative. Once agreed, these treaties have to be enacted into law - thats what the bit about the Queen decreeing it is about, she's telling Parliament to get on and do it, the same way your President might tell Congress to get on and do it. Of course, its all been agreed by Parliament and Congress way beforehand - in fact they will have negotiated the whole thing, so the decree on each side is a formality.

This stuff is so obviously not some terrible conspiracy - that you keep bringing it up only detracts from other, possibly more interesting ideas you promote.

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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/9/2010 11:47:06 PM   
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Good grief Real - there are bilateral treaties like this between nations all across this world. Theyre agreed because they make sense to both sides. I would expect the US has something similar with most of Europe - are you going to argue the Queen is directing the legislative programme and foreign policy of (for instance) Italy as well as the UK and thereby the US? or that such a treaty should prove that the Italians govern US policy?

If you examine that treaty, and all such treaties, you will see that they are also signed by the US official - can we take that as meaning that the real situation is exactly contrary to that which you state, and in fact it is the US that is making our welfare benefit laws?

Such treaties are also agreed between representatives and heads of state - ours shows the Queen and your representative, your corresponding one will show the President and our representative. Once agreed, these treaties have to be enacted into law - thats what the bit about the Queen decreeing it is about, she's telling Parliament to get on and do it, the same way your President might tell Congress to get on and do it. Of course, its all been agreed by Parliament and Congress way beforehand - in fact they will have negotiated the whole thing, so the decree on each side is a formality.

This stuff is so obviously not some terrible conspiracy - that you keep bringing it up only detracts from other, possibly more interesting ideas you promote.

E


yeh ok but you realize that a queen has like way more authority than a president of one of the queens corporations dont you?

We dont have a monarch we just have a lowly prezzidante.

Just a mere executive to the board to the board of directors.

YOu see that is why your queens shit is all in trust.  I would love to be the fly on the wall to see all that shit in the making.  Woudl ahve been like way kool.

Private absolute trust.

Who needs to rule?



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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/9/2010 11:56:24 PM   
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I dont know what authority you believe the Queen to have, but it is absolutely certain that she lacks the power to do anything your President may do, except as a formal function permitted and directed by Parliament.

Parliament was dissolved this week you know, ready for the election? The Prime Minister has to go see her and ask her permission according to our constitution, but the truth of it is that this is just a formal function permitted and directed by Parliament - in this case the Prime Minister as the leader of "her" government. If she were to refuse - there would be a constitutional crisis that would in these modern times bring down the monarchy toute suite.

Again I refer you to English history, 1640 onwards.

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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/10/2010 12:09:17 AM   
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The Prime Minister has to go see her and ask her permission
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do you see what you are saying though?

I am not saying you will find a "public" document that says the crown owns xyz blah blah.

I am sure you are fully aware of what can all be done with trusts? and the majic word "interest", how about "paramount interest holder"?  :)


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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/10/2010 12:14:06 AM   
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Do you know that by repeatedly adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing the numbers one to ten its possible to produce all manner of other numbers? This proves conclusively that the numbers one to ten are mere fronts for a mathematical conspiracy that goes all the way to the top.

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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/10/2010 12:16:26 AM   
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Do you know that by repeatedly adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing the numbers one to ten its possible to produce all manner of other numbers? This proves conclusively that the numbers one to ten are mere fronts for a mathematical conspiracy that goes all the way to the top.

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well I am going to have to call bullshit on that oneLOL




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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/10/2010 12:53:23 AM   
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For those who may be interested, the Queen has the same (theoretical, unenforcable) power over Canada as the UK, through appointment of the Governer General.

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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/10/2010 1:13:51 AM   
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The current Polish president and part of the government was just added to the list of victims. Fishy! KGB is still feeling healthy and  potent.

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RE: Katyn Forest - 4/10/2010 4:50:42 AM   
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NG, what are you a history teacher ? I am NOT being sarcastic.

You have a world view, while not like mine is as broad at least, but you are so much more repleat with detail. Half the people don't even know about the Rothchilds, nor their influence on world events. You seem to see what I see and moderate it somehow and make it more pallatable as well. We both know things are not how they seem. That scares some people.

Anyway, I'm really sorry (right) that WW2 came ahead of schedule for the Rothchilds. But they adapted of course so we need not worry about their well being. I have adopted a different point of view. This is not disagreement and is simply from a different point of view. What you've learned seems to be very well rounded, with a view of a bigger picture than most, and if you are not a history teacher, perhaps you should try it. But then my point of view is not like I have a difference of opinion, I used that phrase correctly, point of view.

My Paternal family came from Poland, and at work I met a Polak immigrant who had a few things to say on the matter. I had read an alternative source regarding the Katyn massacre and I decided to question him about it.

Me "So who did the Katyn massacre ?"
Jerek "The Russians"
Me "Waht do they teach in schools ?"
Jerek "The Germans"
Me "How do you know this ?"
Jerek "My Grandfather"

His real name, Jaraslov Syk__ (last two left out to avoid a google search) was the founder and head of radio solidarity. He and his cohorts were doing alright, but they saw problems with the solidarity movement and took steps. Jerek is a decent electronic engineer, at least on par with me, and what they did was he built a transmitter and had his people carry batteries and an antenna made from vacuum cleaner wand sections to a hilltop and transmitted pro solidarity messages.

They intentionally overrode the audio signal on the most popular shows and that required power. He had built the transmitter, the others carried batteries and the "antenna" . They did this on a regular basis and the polizia were triangulating on them so they had to keep it short. In fact he told me he had to tell Walesa NO because they would get busted. The tape was too long. Jerek was also the fastest runner. He carried his transmitter and never got busted with it, his cohorts had been busted with the vacuum wands as well as the batteries, but no transmitter so they were released. He never got caught actually.

But they zeroed in on him and he wound up doing about seven months on simple suspicion. He told me that they have to let you go if they don't have evidence, but they played the detention under investigation thing that long, and not even all at once.

He emmigrated to the US he said mainly because he wanted to start a business. This business was based on electronics of course but involved security, and he was denied license. He and his Wife came here in the 1980s or early 1990s. Later his brother (one of those cohorts) also came and they started a business here.

OK, enough rambling about my Polak. But the thing is, where did he get the truth ? From his Grandfather. One day he and I, along with all the authors I've read on that subject were no longer crackpots, now all the sudden we were right in the first place.

The victors write the history. And then in a country like the US we only get a little slice of that, meted out by our controllers. How can anyone expect anything good and meaningful to happen under these circumstances ?

And then there is my slant, which I will present with much trepidation, but oh well.

My own family told me that Hitler did Poland a big favor getting rid of a bunch of Jews. They also while not denying the holocaust say that those six million were not all Jews. That's what they say. Indeed there was a large anti-Jew sentiment in that country in those times. Whatever of that is warranted is anyone's guess. Some paupers resent even the self made milliomaires, it is a matter of jealosy. Of course there was the ghetto, but then the argument is that they figured they wouldn't be there all that long. Valid arguments exist on both sides of this and I am am far enough into it now, so to move on.........

What people don't realize is that things have not really changed. At one time you put your tax money in a bag, now you write a check. You used to send a letter and wait months for a reply, now you email. Certain parameters have changed but in reality, people have not. Not for the better anyway, the only real change I can detect is a gain in the complacent contigent. And it may well be justified, the chains are heavy upon us from every angle and some just give up. There is no changing history, therefore no way to change the present. Does it follow then that there is no way to change the future ?

How many more little pieces of history are going to eventually prove the revisionists right ? Might the day come when anti Jew speech is no longer outlawed in Germany ? Might we find out that Hitler was blamed for a whole lot of things he did not do ? Could Mein Kompf become acceptable at libraries again, except as a negative example ? Could it happen again ?

The victors wrote the history most people read, and whether it is point of view or outright false, the truth may come out. It did this time. (I think)

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