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What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/10/2010 3:38:27 PM   
J1138


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I'm a Christian universalist.  That means that I believe in Jesus Christ as my savior (and the savior of the whole world), but that nobody will be eternally damned.  
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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/10/2010 3:41:13 PM   
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I'm a Taoist.

The 10,000 complicated interpretations of the world are our own mental doing. We can learn to better attune ourselves to natural reality.

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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/10/2010 3:46:03 PM   
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That's cool!  How long have you been a Taoist and how do you practice it?

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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/10/2010 3:51:56 PM   
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Several years. It started with Zen as a way to master music performance. Later, T'ai Chi got me seriously interested in Taoism.

I read/study daily, meditate, and consciously strive to build a balanced life in all areas.

In addition, of course, to the Tao Te Ching, I'm found of Deng Ming-Dao's writing/meditations.

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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/10/2010 3:54:54 PM   
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Unitarian Universalist

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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/10/2010 3:56:16 PM   
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Atheist Secular Humanist here

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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/10/2010 4:06:41 PM   
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i'm a realist. meaning i only believe in things that are real, can be seen, heard, touched, or otherwise can be proven logically.

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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/10/2010 4:10:52 PM   
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I belive there is truth to all religons.

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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/10/2010 4:32:15 PM   
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I'm not a member or attendee of any organized religious practice. My personal beliefs about spirituality, and the paradigms and practices that make it into my daily life are lifted largely from Zen Buddism, pagan magick and the Lutherans.

It's a complete hash, but God and I seem to get along ok.

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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/10/2010 4:38:37 PM   
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Taoist here...

I mean... what else could I be?

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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/10/2010 7:38:28 PM   
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I'm me. I don't really have any firm labels.

I'm pretty atheistic in my views but rather a de facto atheist so no strong convictions on that front.

I have been heavily influenced by my Catholic upbringing but rejected a great deal of it.

Since my mid teens, I've been very influenced by non-theist eastern philosophies such as Taoism but I don't really identify as a Taoist. A lot of what drives my fundamental spiritual beliefs is also deeply rooted in the writings of Jiddu Krishnamurti.

That said, my beliefs continue to grow and evolve.

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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/10/2010 8:01:24 PM   
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I don't subscribe officially to any one religion or set of beliefs... but I do own a hamster.

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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/10/2010 11:37:07 PM   
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That's a complicated question.  Buddhists have the best logo--the laughing Buddha is always a money shot.  On the other hand, the Hindus have the hottest pantheon--Shiva and Kali and their whole deal, 'nuf said.  Philip K. Dick makes Gnosticism seem pretty cool, but I honestly don't have the patience for its pure, undiluted form.

My God is a strange looking mongrel, cobbled together from the juiciest bits of sundry religions and ways of liberation.

For example:

The notion of Law and Gospel that I learned in my old Episcopalian Sunday school days.  As a corollary, Bonhoffer's idea of "cheap grace vs costly grace" rings true to my cold, American heart.

The idea of Samsara (not so much that if we keep doing bad we have to be born again as an earthworm, but the idea that we are constantly being reborn based on choices we make and that patterns recur endlessly) seems like an extremely useful way to look at the concatenation of coincidences and choices we call life.

There's that beautiful line in the Gita "To your own actions you can lay claim but none to the fruits of your actions."

The root of suffering is desire.  The only way to end suffering is to end desire.  The Eightfold Path and the Four Noble Truths strike me as a pretty effective strategy for ending sadness and misery.  The punchline?  By the time you get there, you find out there's no there there.  That's why the Buddha is laughing.  He is laughing at you.  At me.  At everyone.  Bastard.

I like Hinduism's emphasis on maya, on the sense of play and playfulness.  It reminds me of Nietzsche's mockery of those afflicted with a "gruesome seriousness" that dooms them to misunderstand everything forever.

There are other beliefs, from both living and dead religions, that strike me as beautiful, useful, and possibly even true.  There's another thread I just read through ( http://www.collarchat.com/m_3156293/tm.htm ) about the differences between Buddhism, Zen Buddhism, and Taoism.  That question sums up my conundrum nicely--as an American who doesn't read any of the languages necessary to understand the source texts of Buddhism, or Taoism, or Hinduism (or Gnosticism, or, let's be honest, Christianity) I'm left relying on intuition, aesthetics, gossip, and gloss.  I guess a guess is the best I'll do.




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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/11/2010 1:25:35 AM   
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Background - Protestant (mixture of Church of England/Methodist/Salvation Army). And this has certainly informed my character to some extent.

But.......I would go with humanist (which is Protestant by nature). Doesn't mean I don't believe in a god......well....actually I don't.......but I'm simply not passionate about whether or not there's a god....and in fact were it to turn out there is a god I wouldn't change a thing.

I don't concern myself solely with logic - I think vision/imagination/a spot of creative thought is healthy.....but it has to be rooted in some sort of evidence for me. Sort of like studying History.....you arrive at a conclusion based on evidence.....but the conclusion can be as creative as you desire and is always open to debate (but definitely grounded in some evidence to be taken seriously).

I don't try to leave my family's religion in the past - I'm quite happy some of it has rubbed off on me - because there are lessons/messages within religion that can be used whether religious or otherwise - I'm happy to take the good and leave the bad depending on what makes sense to me - and there is a lot of good in there - but I have to leave behind the idea of the existence of a god. And I'm no rabid adherent of science - in fact I don't understand any of it - never did - at school it was too methodical for me and preferred to focus elsewhere.

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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/11/2010 1:50:48 AM   
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I grew up in a Protestant home...was a sunday school teacher and deacon at one point.

The more I studied religion and the acts that have taken place in the name of religion, the less I believed.

I'm now an agnostic bordering on aetheism. I do take great interest in some of the new studies and theories of the electric universe and how that may tie into the idea of a collective conciousness.

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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/11/2010 2:20:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jbcurious

The more I studied religion and the acts that have taken place in the name of religion, the less I believed.



I quite like the idea that were there a god.....this could be the perfect world. We would have to know the alternatives to make a judgement. We simply can't know whether or not disease/famine/war is necessary for the greater good.

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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/11/2010 2:37:25 AM   
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I'm not referring to the overall "God" concept... but religion. While I believe a very enlightened men and women have walked this earth and taught how to live a more gracious life, I see very little evidence of those teachings in religious orders. The initial forming of the Christian church had the strong Roman Church accusing those who most closely followed the teachings of Christ of heresy and wiped them out. Throughout history we have examples of those following a different path being persecuted in the name of religion... Even Christ himself.

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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/11/2010 2:43:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jbcurious

I'm not referring to the overall "God" concept... but religion. While I believe a very enlightened men and women have walked this earth and taught how to live a more gracious life, I see very little evidence of those teachings in religious orders. The initial forming of the Christian church had the strong Roman Church accusing those who most closely followed the teachings of Christ of heresy and wiped them out. Throughout history we have examples of those following a different path being persecuted in the name of religion... Even Christ himself.



Yes...I grasped your stance on organised religion.

I suppose what I'm suggesting - perhaps not making myself particularly clear - is that this world - with everything contained in it - including the human tendency toward hypocrisy and intolerance - could be the perfect world (the best amongst the options).

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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/11/2010 3:22:34 AM   
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Why? Are most people you know persecuting hypocrites? I have hope that the human race is capable of so much more.

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RE: What is your faith/spiritual/secular perspective? - 4/11/2010 3:28:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: J1138

I'm a Christian universalist.  That means that I believe in Jesus Christ as my savior (and the savior of the whole world), but that nobody will be eternally damned.  


Welcome to the CM board.

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