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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Ah, apologies, Ron.  I hadn't actually followed his link. 

Perhaps the article is on that website: I don't know.  I looked a bit and couldn't find it.

Firm

nope, whole nother tinfoiler rant that, here's the one though:

http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978160055


No real long-lasting problem, Firm ... as you know, I am just as passionate about my partisanship as you are about yours.

Sometimes we all vituperate first and think later.

We are still friendly combatants.

Cordially,
Ron

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ORIGINAL: LashVicious

Hmm, and Bush and his acolytes did such a GREAT job.  They had their turn.  It seems like sour grapes for the "conservatives"(although I can't see WHAT they're "conserving"...) who thought they were going to rule the American Empire in perpetuity.  Get over it.

Oh well, I guess expecting this thread to be deviod of anti-Bush rhetoric to obfuscate Obama's aquisence to Russia's demands was just too much to expect.

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ORIGINAL: countrychick

if I'm not mistaken the attack on the Afghan people was timed quite well to be just past the lifespan of the (I believe) anti-aircraft or some sort of missile that basically turned the tide for the Afghan's to push the Russians out :) Thanks for the reminder mnottertail :D

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and by the way, once again this 'supposed' original words from the op is a plagarism (as nearly 99% of his crap is, notwithstanding his further prevarication regarding same...) from a chris w of abbington mass, a 24 year old with about a 7 year old political intelligence.


Ron

The OP gave a link to the original article.  I don't see where he claimed the words were originally his.

If you want to attack his logic and reasoning, go ahead.  Attacking him for specious reasons doesn't make a lot of sense. It reflects on you, not him.

Firm

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So you mean to say that the terrorists who did the whole 9-11 thing were acting under the direct orders of the Afghan government? Not in their own self interests and hey lets poke the sleeping giant?

The government of Afghanistan allowed the training and gave material support to an organization which had declared war on the US, and then proceeded to attack and murder American citizens in our homeland.

We asked that the Afghan government turn over the people responsible and stop providing support.

They refused.

Morally, and legally, this made the government of Afghanistan complicit in the attacks, and guilty of waging war on the US.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: countrychick

So you mean to say that the terrorists who did the whole 9-11 thing were acting under the direct orders of the Afghan government? Not in their own self interests and hey lets poke the sleeping giant?

The government of Afghanistan allowed the training and gave material support to an organization which had declared war on the US, and then proceeded to attack and murder American citizens in our homeland.

We asked that the Afghan government turn over the people responsible and stop providing support.

They refused.

Morally, and legally, this made the government of Afghanistan complicit in the attacks, and guilty of waging war on the US.

Firm

Firm, this is not entirely correct. Mullah Omar was no fan or supporter of bin Laden. The Taliban had no idea what al Qaeda was up to prior to 9/11/. When the US gave Omar an ultimatum to turn over bin Laden or face attack by the US, there was nothing he could do. He dug his heels in to protect his own position and standing in Afghanistan, not bin Ladens. There is plenty of information out there about the history of these two groups for someone who is interested.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

What we really should cut is the redundant Department of Homeland Security---all of it.

Pure Political Theater at its boldest, at a cost of billions.

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Obama Weakens American National Defense

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All things considered I would say the Mullah made a piss poor choice .
And it was a choice...at that point he could have looked at what had been done and decided to throw his lot in with the American cause...decrying fanaticim at the same time....he chose instead to..as you say "dug his heels in "... at that point the result of was inevitable given American resolve.
Bad...real bad choice. 

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

[...] All things considered I would say the Mullah made a piss poor choice .
And it was a choice...at that point he could have looked at what had been done and decided to throw his lot in with the American cause...decrying fanaticim at the same time....he chose instead to..as you say "dug his heels in "... at that point the result of was inevitable given American resolve.
Bad...real bad choice. 

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ORIGINAL: countrychick

Additionally.. what people forget sometimes.. is that people don't like being told what to do. Whether its a child being told to eat the broccoli or a leader being told to hand over a citizen of his country. Also, in parts of the world not included in the 50 US states, a lot of people tend to have negative views on the USA and how they like to poke their head into other people's business.. Just saying.. a little movie called American Police illustrates what I'm getting at on this..


Side note: That movie was absolutely hilarious for me, my boyfriend at the time thought it was awful and he picked it.. he didn't get political humour...

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American Police

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What we really should cut is the redundant Department of Homeland Security---all of it.

Pure Political Theater at its boldest, at a cost of billions.

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Which I will agree with in a very limited sense, insasmuch as I have ranted and spewed long and unheededly about China test blowing a satellite out of the sky with a conventional everyday dime-store rocket.

Ron