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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 11:38:00 AM   
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[...] All things considered I would say the Mullah made a piss poor choice .
And it was a choice...at that point he could have looked at what had been done and decided to throw his lot in with the American cause...decrying fanaticim at the same time....he chose instead to..as you say "dug his heels in "... at that point the result of was inevitable given American resolve.
Bad...real bad choice. 

Mike, I am no fan of the Taliban. All I am saying is that when you look back at history from Omar's perspective, he didn't really have alot of choices. He was mortified when he found out about 9/11 and that bin Laden was behind it. He tried to expel bin Laden from the country but bin Laden refused to leave or give himself up. Omar's rag tag group of armed students that made up the Taliban existed to counter the corruption and lawlessness that was rampant post Soviet defeat. Why, from his perspective, should he allow a US invasion to find/defeat bin Laden when he was still cleaning up the mess from the post Soviet invasion?

I am not pro Taliban, but I do believe that history is often about perspective as opposed to right or wrong.


All of that granted....save of course for his failure to not only do the right thing but save his country a vindictive and punitive invasion.
Fuck right or wrong ....the pragmatic choice for him should have been a complete disavowal of the events of 9/11 and a renewed conversation about the ills of fanaticism.
Now I fully realise for a fanatic like the Mullah to do so would have involved a truly radical sea change in his thinking.But 9/11 represented that chance....it truly was a "come to god" moment for not just this one leader but radical Islam itself.
Moderate Islam failed in the same exact way to embace the moment and use it to denounce what was a truly horrific attack upon peaceful citizens.
9/11 could and should have dealt a death blow to radicalism...of course it might have helped if we had someone sitting in the Oval Office who could have avoided using words like "crusades"...and the silly "wanted dead or alive" thing.An opportunity was missed post 9/11....and certainly not just by this one eyed Mullah!

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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 11:39:34 AM   
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Which I will agree with in a very limited sense, insasmuch as I have ranted and spewed long and unheededly about China test blowing a satellite out of the sky with a conventional everyday dime-store rocket.

Ron
Ya gotta admit it was way way kewel


No one seen it.  They were too busy masterbating.     ;-0

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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 11:44:18 AM   
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Well shit Moon...we could always just default


How did that work out for the Russians?

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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 11:45:42 AM   
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Even at this hour we are DRUGGING the Russians.  Can you say OPIUM?

Per haps your kin is guarding it for us in Afghanistan.

Just say BLOW?



No...that is coke.

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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 11:47:10 AM   
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Even at this hour we are DRUGGING the Russians.  Can you say OPIUM?

Per haps your kin is guarding it for us in Afghanistan.

Just say BLOW?



No...that is coke.



Coke- pepsi

pepsi coke.   LOL


Ok- you are right.   Sorta .

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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 11:47:32 AM   
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Team America: World Police

did you mean this one, otherwise could I get a link, I could watch something like that? Have you seen Wag the Dog?


Yup thats the one, sorry about that!! Thanks :D and no on Wag the Dog, whats it about?

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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 11:51:54 AM   
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All things considered I would say the Mullah made a piss poor choice .
And it was a choice...at that point he could have looked at what had been done and decided to throw his lot in with the American cause...decrying fanaticim at the same time....he chose instead to..as you say "dug his heels in "... at that point the result of was inevitable given American resolve.
Bad...real bad choice. 



I don't know, if the Reverend Sun Myung Moon came to my town and said that the new way of doing business is gonna be such and such, and if you don't gobble the tube to our satisfaction, we are going to make life uncomfortable for you.......

Meh, they have been playing stick and ball with one anothers heads since before we were anyone, and will be doing so long after we are no longer anyone.

One thing a tribal leader cannot lose is face, life optional, he has sons and they have sons, and they will have sons and they will have........and thinks in those terms, something we never do.

That's their system of governance.

Another good point that I'd like to add to, if I may, Ron.

About a year ago, some intelligence was leaked concerning the FBI interviews with Sadam while he was in captivity prior to his execution. Sadam said that the reason why he was being so evasive and coy about his so-called "stockpile of WMDs" prior to the war was because he was much more afraid of an invasion from Iran than he was the US. He needed Iran to think he had these weapons to keep them at bay. He believed the US was bluffing when they threatened war, because they had been threatening for years but took no action. Once again, our leaders started a war because it supported their ideology, as opposed to understanding the region and its leaders and how that knowledge might be used to avert war.

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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 11:54:33 AM   
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An infuriatingly simple way of blinding our techno-military and reducing us to the one wearing the ribbons in our hair and the pinafore at the prison squaredance if it ever comes to an 'us'.

Lets not be throwing all our junk steel at the middle east, we are gonna need some of it laying around, in case we ever got to do an actual 'conventional, old-timey' war again. Did you see that junk steel is bringing 18 bucks a ton lately?

p.s. and they pretty much got the world shipping and somewhat seemingly unrelatedly, the copper sewn up in south america.


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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 11:57:23 AM   
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Team America: World Police

did you mean this one, otherwise could I get a link, I could watch something like that? Have you seen Wag the Dog?


Yup thats the one, sorry about that!! Thanks :D and no on Wag the Dog, whats it about?



Robert DeNiro and Dustin Hoffman----- politics and the art of persuasion, if you liked Team America, you will love this one.

Ron



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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 11:57:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ron,  The mil serves the banks.  Not us.

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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 12:02:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the heads up, hunkie. But essentially, it adds nothing of interest to the situation that confronts us regarding the chinese, our largest creditor is also our largest possible military threat, pragmatically and recent historically, korea, viet nam...(they've been testing out a few small ideas on us for awhile now, it would not be a very good day, should they actually take more than a passing interest in us.

Ron

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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 12:02:56 PM   
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The government of Afghanistan allowed the training and gave material support to an organization which had declared war on the US, and then proceeded to attack and murder American citizens in our homeland.

The government of the United States allowed the training and gave material support to the organization which had declared war on Cuba and then proceeded to attack and murder Cuban citizens in their homeland.


We asked that the Afghan government turn over the people responsible and stop providing support.


The Cuban government ask the U.S. government to turn over the people responsible and to stop providing support.

They refused.

They refused.


Morally, and legally, this made the government of Afghanistan complicit in the attacks, and guilty of waging war on the US.

Morally and legally this made the government of the U.S, complicit in the attacks and guilty of waging war on Cuba.

Firm


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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 12:03:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		At the same time, they can't afford to see us fail--we are too much a part of their economy as well.

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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 12:03:51 PM   
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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 12:04:33 PM   
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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 12:06:26 PM   
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At the same time, they can't afford to see us fail--we are too much a part of their economy as well.


everything in my house comes from china. in return I gave them some green paper.   how is it that they need me?

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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 12:09:42 PM   
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It is closer to 200 a ton.

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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 12:09:47 PM   
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At the same time, they can't afford to see us fail--we are too much a part of their economy as well.


everything in my house comes from china. in return I gave them some green paper. how is it that they need me?


No.



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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 12:12:35 PM   
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RE: Obama Weakens American National Defense; Liberals C... - 4/12/2010 12:15:23 PM   
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The government of Afghanistan allowed the training and gave material support to an organization which had declared war on the US, and then proceeded to attack and murder American citizens in our homeland.

The government of the United States allowed the training and gave material support to the organization which had declared war on Cuba and then proceeded to attack and murder Cuban citizens in their homeland.


We asked that the Afghan government turn over the people responsible and stop providing support.


The Cuban government ask the U.S. government to turn over the people responsible and to stop providing support.

They refused.

They refused.


Morally, and legally, this made the government of Afghanistan complicit in the attacks, and guilty of waging war on the US.

Morally and legally this made the government of the U.S, complicit in the attacks and guilty of waging war on Cuba.

Firm


Well shit tommie...why didn't Cuba invade us?

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