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Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC doc... - 4/13/2010 10:47:22 PM   
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“The McVeigh Tapes: Confessions of an American Terrorist” will air from 9 to 11 p.m. Monday, April 19. Rachel Maddow presents the documentary.

McVeigh was recorded in jail for 45 hours by Buffalo News reporters Lou Michel and Dan Herbeck for their book “American Terrorist: Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing.” The authors are interviewed in the film.

“The film reveals the bomber’s descriptions of the planning and execution of the horrific attack and offers insight into how a decorated American soldier became a dangerous, anti-government terrorist,” MSNBC said.

McVeigh was executed nine years ago. This year is the 15th anniversary of the bombing that killed 168 and injured more than 500. Survivors and family members are also featured in the documentary.


I am looking forward to hearing his thoughts on why he blew up the Murrah building without giving a damn about the people inside.

Using Waco or Ruby Ridge dont cut it. How can a man who took an oath as a soldier to defend the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic could do what he did.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/13/2010 11:04:14 PM   
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He believed.

I'm not sure that "Rachel Maddow Presents" is a ringing endorsement for this being an objective bit of journalism, but it might be interesting. I think there chunks of that attack still be told.

Now if it winds up being a hit piece on veterans, I'm turning that shit off.



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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/13/2010 11:08:21 PM   
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There are some on these boards that believe he was framed and was a patsy.

Considering that he had confessed at least twice to his attorneys before his trial (One memo concerning his confession was published in a Dallas Texas paper.) And once after he was convicted and lost his appeal, the patsy theory seems to not hold water.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/13/2010 11:13:47 PM   
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He was no patsy and he was not framed. He did his job and he did it well. I wonder what he does and where he lives these days.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/13/2010 11:20:31 PM   
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it was blown from the inside out.

as usual people dont know the difference

just like kennedy's Uturn bulet that all the tards believe is twu


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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/13/2010 11:29:24 PM   
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He was no patsy and he was not framed. He did his job and he did it well. I wonder what he does and where he lives these days.



He aint living anywhere, he was executed.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/13/2010 11:40:44 PM   
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yeh another case where all the fbi was out of there prior to the explosion(S)

Of course no on bothers to ask how one bomb can explode 2wice.

No one bothers to ask about the 2 bombs that were hauled away from INSIDE the building.

and where did they go?

SANDIA LABS

nobody even knows why anyone would take bombs to SANDIA LABS.

I wont be the one to spoil everyones wet dream by saying its your goivernment hard at work protecting you!





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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/13/2010 11:42:40 PM   
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He aint living anywhere, he was executed.

Oh? Show me his corpse, please.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 12:27:33 AM   
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They still lead y'all around by the nose. You go watch this and they might just not tell you on that channel that they are starting WW3.

Now first of all McVeigh was their enemy, therefore anything he says to them is not to be taken seriously. If you can't concieve that I don't know what to tellya. Whatever he said was meant to influence people to his side of the fight, but will prove ineffective after the proper editing. So it took them a decade to edit it. Big deal.

McVeigh was in with the people who were in with Randy Weaver. If you may recall, a sharpshooter (Horiuchi) who gained his bigger boots down in Waco used his skill to kill Weaver's olady. Weaver was of course not happy. Through the networks of people that many wish to ignore the word got to McVeigh, who was really radical. I don't know if they ever actually met, but Weaver got acqitted on all charges and sued the govenment for his dead olady and won. When he walked out the courtroon he said "This is not over" and that is what he meant.

If you think like certain people in the gov, that all these militia groups do is humt deer you are sadly mistaken. They (rightly so) want to change this country for the better (in their opinion) and are like the people who fought for independence. McVeigh went ahead and did what he did, and the only good part of his strategy was that it showed that they don't really know where it is coming from next.

The bad part of it was the kids, but McVeigh did not put young children in a bulding with more guns than people, and even my Father, who was not all that radical questioned the wisdom of a daycare center in a building full of LEOs.

I do believe that I have described how it should have been done differently, it could have been alot more effective not generated anywhere near the magnitude of public ire that it did. I have already said that we would be better off without McVeigh than with him.

It doesn't matter what McVeigh says in that confession. I will not even hear it unless he shows up here, unlaxes a bit maybe has a beer, and tell me the truth. You think he told them the truth ? I wouldn't. Not becuse I didn't want to, but because I know they would distort it. In his place I would prefer to write, get a bunch of stamps and send my opinion to one who is trustworthy. If they put it on TV, there is no way it can be worth my time.

I know what happened, I also know what happened up in Montana, as I knew people up there at the time. The guy who killed all those people was not a nut, but he was mighty frustrated, and for good reason and from what I understand he killed the right people. Case closed. I was invited to stake a gold claim there with the BLM and had people up there. I declined. Yuck really wanted us to come up there, he said "This is not a fucking candy store, we are literally talking about a gold mine". True, this was not panning for gold, this was a mine.

Whether the shooter up there was really mad or not cannot be determined. He was landlocked and the competition is fierce to say the least. They wanted to shut down all other claims and get it all for their own. They up and told him "The only way you are getting your ore out of here will be by helicopter". Well he took to smelting his own ore, and actually getting a helicopter to move it, purified of course. There is mercury involved in that process and he may have been mad as a hatter, and I don't mean that as a figure of speech. Once those fumes get to you who knows ?

Go ahead and watch it if you like, but if the established media has anything to do with it, it will be made to show him in the most unbalanced light, to demostrate that he was crazy, and as such anyone who doesn't go along with the status quo is also crazy. What other motivation could they possibly have for airing this ?

I saw the same damn thing happened years ago when they aired an inteview with Charlie Manson. Just for fun answerr me this - how many people did Charlie Manson kill ?

Get it through your head, anything they show you is to their advatage. Otherwise would mean that say we meet and I introduce myself "I am an asshole, I will fuck you over every time I get and I suggest you kill me now". With those people in the media, anything else is a lie.

Take a look at where you stand. In the shadow of a control device. That is exactlty what it is and if you think otherwise I suspect next you'll be trying to pound a nail in the wall with a fork. The media is a tool and they will not misuse it or do anything with it that is not in their best interests.

So I'll pass.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 6:22:18 AM   
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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 6:28:13 AM   
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I just hope that the TV exposure doesn't convince other people that he and his means were correct...

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 7:01:54 AM   
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I just hope that the TV exposure doesn't convince other people that he and his means were correct...


95% of TV is predictive programming.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 7:07:07 AM   
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I'm not sure how unbiased this will be.  It may have a liberal interpretation to it, but I doubt Rachel Maddow goes as out on a limb as some of her conservative counterparts.  The tapes will tell, but I have my own thoughts on it.  I think his hatred for the gov't made him nuts...literally.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 9:00:16 AM   
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The problem is that hatred of the government, in it's present form, is a natural response for most. The more they know about how things are supposed to be versus the realization of how they are will do it to the most sane. With strong emotional control one can avoid the hate, but then some of the people who can do this will become their worst nightmare.

It's a crazy world, and people just want to get along. Build a bomb or go to a shrink. Or suffer.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 9:12:56 AM   
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I agree with you, Term.  It is a crazy world.  And I do understand people are being pushed to and beyond their limits.  It doesn't help when politicians play on that emotion with hate and confusion/manipulation of facts.  I've always thought their political fight contributes strongly to how we react.  I doubt Timothy McVeigh had hatred towards the people he killed.  But he was blinded by his hatred.  Whether his hatred was fueled or whether he reacted solely on his own accord, his reactions were clouded.  He couldn't see the reality of his actions because of his hatred.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 2:48:54 PM   
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They really cant bias the show if these are his words, his voice, and his thoughts.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 2:51:12 PM   
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There are some on these boards that believe he was framed and was a patsy.

Considering that he had confessed at least twice to his attorneys before his trial (One memo concerning his confession was published in a Dallas Texas paper.) And once after he was convicted and lost his appeal, the patsy theory seems to not hold water.


Jlf, and there are some who try to claim that he was "Right Wing" but he was as "Left Wing" as you can get.
"He must have been right-wing, he was wearing,....."camos!"

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 3:00:22 PM   
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Popeye, I have to disagree.

McVeigh came out of the right wing militia movement, and his reasons for his actions were based in what he considered movements against right wing groups, such as the Branch Davidians and Weaver at Ruby Ridge, both right wing groups.

He was acting out of a sense of vengeance.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 3:04:42 PM   
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waco.

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RE: Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC... - 4/14/2010 3:07:08 PM   
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waco.


What do you think I was talking about when I said the branch davidians?

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