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zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! News (4/17/2010 5:45:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth Someone needs to have his own sarcasm meter checked [;)] Damm it Zeph...the freakin thing is on the fritz again...and I just had it in for it's 10,000 mile check-up [;)] Which is why you should never, ever buy it off the back of a truck [:D]

slvemike4u -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 5:46:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Don't try to pretend that fiscal conservatives have never been for fiscal restraint in the past, mike. Thats just nonsense, and I'm not going to argue the obvious with you like this. But if you really are interested in reading about the genesis of the modern Tea Party movement, Rick Santelli started it on a CNBC broadcast last year. http://www.cnbc.com/id/29283701/Rick_Santelli_s_Shout_Heard_Round_the_World So when was the last time your party ran a "fiscal conservative" for President? And last question where were these people when Bush was running up his debts....one would think running two wars off the books would offend the shit out of a "fiscal conservative"....and yet no tea bags anywhere save tea cups.

brainiacsub -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 5:47:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: brainiacsub [...] McCain, Crist, and anyone else not Conservative enough. Thomas is right on this one. The Tea Party is primarily about establishing fiscal constraint and Republicans are every bit as much in their crosshairs as Democrats. The problem, Thomas, is that many of us believe the Tea Party is misguided in their understanding of the fiscal problems and thus its solutions. The movement often comes across as wanting to balance the budget at the expense of the most vulnerable in society, which is just wrong on so many levels. "often" my ass.If fiscal responsibilty was job #1 ,the end all be all that they shout from their soap box's than raising taxes to get there would be part and parcel of their agenda.It isn't and it ain't Cutting "entittlement" programs serves two purposes cutting costs and doing so at the expence of what is seen as the new and very scary enemy.To whit...."those not like us who are now voting and in numbers large enough to matter" Mike, are you having a problem with reading comprehension tonight? I said that I don't believe that the Tea Party understands the problems or the solutions. To them, fiscal restraint is about cutting spending, but their own membership is rather hypocritical about where to cut. They also don't understand that tax increases must accompany any spending cuts in order to ever make an impact on the deficit and debt. Tax increases and spending cuts are truly a bi-partisan solution. The Tea Party does not get this.

DarkSteven -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 5:49:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Don't try to pretend that fiscal conservatives have never been for fiscal restraint in the past, mike. Sanity, it strikes me that you and mike are in a semantics fight here. Part of the problem is that Republicans always seem to portray themselves as fiscal conservatives. My definition of a fiscal conservative is one that practices fiscal restraint. Period. NOT just lower taxes, but lower SPENDING. Now... I have a challenge for you... Show me a lawmaker that actually practiced this. A lot claimed to, but I haven't seen any actions except blocking or holding up spending bills.

LadyEllen -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 5:50:08 PM)
Rather pleased here that Sanity appears to acknowledge that the Republican party has been hijacked and steered well off course such that its retaking is necessary for its rehabilitation and future potential electoral success. E

Sanity -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 6:03:05 PM)
Thats really the problem, isn't it, so few fiscal conservatives in office. We're not so far apart on this at all. quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Sanity, it strikes me that you and mike are in a semantics fight here. Part of the problem is that Republicans always seem to portray themselves as fiscal conservatives. My definition of a fiscal conservative is one that practices fiscal restraint. Period. NOT just lower taxes, but lower SPENDING. Now... I have a challenge for you... Show me a lawmaker that actually practiced this. A lot claimed to, but I haven't seen any actions except blocking or holding up spending bills.

slvemike4u -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 6:05:19 PM)
No Brainy,my only problem was with your use of the word "often"....but other than that the "comprehension" thing is as good as ever.Of course Sanity might suggest it never did work...but that's just because he doesn't like what I have to say. You and I are fine....I just wanted to go a little farther and be a little less subtle as far as my disdain for these assholes are concerned. I left the conversation with Firm the other day feeling like in the name of PC I danced around what I truly beleive...and that is that most of these assholes are racists....and the driving force behind their formation is the fear of losing what they have always taken for granted...their very primacy in this society. All of these new voters....yanno the ones that don't look like "them" scare the shit out of them....and hence the teabaggers are born !

brainiacsub -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 6:05:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Don't try to pretend that fiscal conservatives have never been for fiscal restraint in the past, mike. Sanity, it strikes me that you and mike are in a semantics fight here. Part of the problem is that Republicans always seem to portray themselves as fiscal conservatives. My definition of a fiscal conservative is one that practices fiscal restraint. Period. NOT just lower taxes, but lower SPENDING. Now... I have a challenge for you... Show me a lawmaker that actually practiced this. A lot claimed to, but I haven't seen any actions except blocking or holding up spending bills. Here is what Thomas and his ilk don't understand - our politicians, Republicans and Democrats, are elected by the people (and increasingly special interests) who have no desire to cut spending for the programs and services that benefit them. Each party is elected to spend in favor of its respective constituency. The solution is far more drastic than they can imagine. We'll spend ourselves into the brink of oblivion, then we'll have a dictator. No democracy lasts more than a few hundred years for this very reason.

Musicmystery -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 6:09:10 PM)
quote: Don't try to pretend that fiscal conservatives have never been for fiscal restraint in the past, mike. I agree with this. I just don't believe they still are, nor have been since Eisenhower, and especially not since Reagan. That's why I was curious what Republicans they were challenging. At the end of the day, it's still conservative Republicans supporting conservative Republicans--it's more of the same.

slvemike4u -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 6:11:28 PM)
Hence my question to Sanity...."when was the last time the Republicans ran a fiscal conservative for President".... My answer would have been Goldwater, no?

Musicmystery -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 6:14:20 PM)
Exactly. They talk the talk, but consistently advance policies to accomplish the opposite.

slvemike4u -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 6:20:39 PM)
Until they become the minority party.....than they are the voice if dissent.Screaming from the top of their lungs about fiscal restriant.

Sanity -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 6:49:40 PM)
Compared to Obama? quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u So when was the last time your party ran a "fiscal conservative" for President? And last question where were these people when Bush was running up his debts....one would think running two wars off the books would offend the shit out of a "fiscal conservative"....and yet no tea bags anywhere save tea cups.

Sanity -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 6:51:22 PM)
No one is screaming, mike. People are asking for fiscal restraint, they're demonstrating. And hopefully, they will be voting for it as well. quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Until they become the minority party.....than they are the voice if dissent.Screaming from the top of their lungs about fiscal restriant.

slvemike4u -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 6:59:46 PM)
Sanity have you confused me with one of these folks....I don't happen to think this is the time to be overly concerned with deficits.Cutting what you folks call "entitlement programs" at this point in time is the exact wrong thing to do. And than their is the whole ulterior motive thing these folks have going on....when they admit the need to meet halfway...in other words cuts and tax increases to close the gap...than we can talk,as it is you folks only want one segment of society to bear the brunt of these cuts...the segment that can least afford it.

slvemike4u -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 7:01:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity No one is screaming, mike. People are asking for fiscal restraint, they're demonstrating. And hopefully, they will be voting for it as well. quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Until they become the minority party.....than they are the voice if dissent.Screaming from the top of their lungs about fiscal restriant. Bullshit Sanity ...they are most certainly screaming and in a most shrill and annoying manner !

Sanity -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 7:12:26 PM)
I've seen video of shrill, hateful leftists screaming. Here's a recent example for you, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-DoxqvqjxM But the Tea party rallies I've seen and attended were very peaceful events. quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Bullshit Sanity ...they are most certainly screaming and in a most shrill and annoying manner !

rulemylife -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 7:40:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I've seen video of shrill, hateful leftists screaming. Here's a recent example for you, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-DoxqvqjxM But the Tea party rallies I've seen and attended were very peaceful events. This is at least the second or third time you have posted this stating they are "leftists". I'm curious what leads you to believe that since in the confusion of the video it is hard to tell what is going on. The only thing I can tell for sure is they are conspiracy nutcases shouting about the 9/11 hoax, FEMA camps, and the New World Order. Which does not lend itself to one political persuasion.

slvemike4u -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 7:41:28 PM)
Yeah Sanity...that's the issue and the problem...too much screaming.So here's what we will do...you get all of your links together and I will get all of mine..... You're kidding aren't you....you don't for a moment really beleive the issue is whether people are using their inside voices or not do you? It's the message Sanity...and these folks are up in arms over deficits...or that's what they claim....yet raising taxes it is not in their vocabulary...why is that?

Sanity -> RE: Has Scott Brown turned out to be a blessing in disguise for congressional Democrats? - Yahoo! Ne (4/17/2010 8:09:56 PM)
If tone of voice isn't an issue why do you keep bringing it up? It seems like the issue shifts a little with every post you make, mike. quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Yeah Sanity...that's the issue and the problem...too much screaming.So here's what we will do...you get all of your links together and I will get all of mine..... You're kidding aren't you....you don't for a moment really beleive the issue is whether people are using their inside voices or not do you? It's the message Sanity...and these folks are up in arms over deficits...or that's what they claim....yet raising taxes it is not in their vocabulary...why is that?

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