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America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identity Te... - 4/17/2010 9:39:14 AM   
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Sorry mods I forgot where I got this from so I just took a small piece of it (thats still very large), as this is from an original scan.

The first law in america!

All these athiests out here that would claim law is NOT based in religion enjoy your red faces.


Excerpts from
The Laws and Liberties of Massachusetts

The Massachusetts Body of Liberties (1641)
Old South Leaflets (Boston: Directors of the Old South Work), 7: 261-267

Hanover Historical Texts Project
Scanned by Monica Banas, Hanover College, August, 1996. Not yet proofread.

The excerpts included are based on the copy of the 1648 edition in the Henry E. Huntington Library, as reproduced in The Laws and Liberties of Massachusetts (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1929). The volume has an introduction by Max Farrand but no listed editor. The spelling of the original has been retained, except for replacing the use of the German s with the standard English form. The sections omitted, comprising about 70% of the whole, contain more mundane provisions.

The document has many notable features. Its preamble efficiently lays out the theoretical basis for government that underlies the document’s contents, and shows the manner and extent to which theological ideas and principles are involved. Note that creating a “city upon a hill” does not involve denigrating the governments of other nations. From the very beginning of the text there is an obvious concern for life, liberty, and property. In addition to laying out the basic institutions of government, The Laws and Liberties is an extended bill of rights that mixes very advanced features with some that are less so; for example, the more than two hundred crimes punishable by death under English common law at that time is reduced to sixteen.


So soon as God had set up Politicall Government among his people Israel hee gave them a body of lawes of judgement both in civil and criminal causes. These were brief and fundamental principles, yet withall so full and comprehensive as out of them clear deductions were to be drawne to all particular cases in future times. For a Common-wealth without lawes is like a Ship without rigging and steeradge. Nor is it sufficient to have principles or fundamentalls, but these are to be drawn out into so many of their deductions as the time and condition of that people may have use of. And it is very unsafe & injurious to the body of the people to put them to learn their duty and libertie from generall rules, nor is it enough to have lawes except they be also just. Therefore among other priviledges which the Lord bestowed upon his peculiar people, these he calls them specially to consider of, that God was neerer to them and their lawes were more righteous then other nations. God was sayd to be amongst them or neer to them because of his Ordnances established by himselfe, and their lawes righteous because himselfe was their Law-giver: yet in the comparison are implyed two things, first that other nations had something of Gods presence amongst them. Secondly that there was also somwhat of equitie in their lawes, for it pleased the Father (upon the Covenant of Redemption with his Son) to restore so much of his Image to lost man as whereby all nations are disposed to worship God, and to advance righteousnes: Which appears in that of the Apostle Rom. 1. 21. They knew God &c: and in the 2. 14. They did by nature the things conteined in the law of God. But the nations corrupting his ordinances (both of Religion, and Justice) God withdrew his presence from them proportionably whereby they were given up to abominable lusts Rom. 2.21. Wheras if they had walked according to that light & law of nature might have been preserved from such moral evils and might have injoyed a common blessing in all their natural and civil Ordinances: now, if it might have been so with the nations who were so much strangers to the Covenant of Grace, what advantage have they who have interest in this Covenant, and may injoye the special presence of God in the puritie and native simplicitie of all his Ordinances by which he is so neer to his owne people. This hath been no small priviledge, and advantage to us in New-England that our Churches, and civil State have been planted, and growne up (like two twinnes) together like that of Israel in the wilderness by which wee were put in minde (and had opportunitie put into our hands) not only to gather our Churches, and set up the Ordinances of Christ Jesus in them according to the Apostolick patterne by such light as the Lord graciously afforded us: but also withall to frame our civil Politie, and lawes according to the rules of his most holy word whereby each do help and strengthen other (the Churches the civil Authoritie, and the civil Authoritie the Churches) and so both prosper the better without such emulation, and contention for priviledges or priority as have proved the misery (if not ruine) of both in some other places.

That distinction which is put between the Lawes of God and the laws of men, becomes a snare to many as it is mis-applyed in the ordering of their obedience to civil Authoritie; for when the Authoritie is of God and that in way of an Ordinance Rom. 13. 1. and when the administration of it is according to deductions, and rules gathered from the word of God, and the clear light of nature in civil nations, surely there is no humane law that tendeth to common good (according to those principles) but the same is mediately a law of God, and that in way of an Ordinance which all are to submit unto and that for conscience sake. Rom. 13. 5.

By order of the General Court.
increase nowel, secr.

The Book of the General Lauues and Libertyes Concerning &c:
forasmuch as the free fruition of such Liberties, Immunities, priviledges as humanitie, civilitie & christianity call for as due to everie man in his place, & proportion, without impeachment & infringement hath ever been, & ever will be the tranquility & stability of Churches & Comon-wealthes; & the deniall or deprivall thereof the disturbance, if not ruine of both:

It is therefore ordered by this Court, & Authority thereof, That no mans life shall be taken away; no mans honour or good name shall be stayned; no mans person shall be arrested, restrained, bannished, dismembred nor any wayes punished; no man shall be deprived of his wife or children; no mans goods or estate shall be taken away from him; nor any wayes indamaged under colour of law or countenance of Authoritie unles it be by the vertue or equity of some expresse law of the Country warranting the same established by a General Court & sufficiently published; or in case of the defect of a law in any particular case by the word of God. And in capital cases, or in cases concerning dismembring or banishment according to that word to be judged by the General Court

If any man after legal conviction shall have or worship any other God, but the lord god: he shall be put to death. Exod. 22. 20. Deut. 13.6. & 10. Deut. 17. 2. 6.

2. If any man or woman be a witch, that is, hath or consulteth with a familiar spirit, they shall be put to death. Exod. 22. 18. Levit. 20. 27. Deut. 18. 10. 11.

3. If any person within this Jurisdiction whether Christian or Pagan shall wittingly and willingly presume to blaspheme the holy Name of God, Father, Son or Holy-Ghost, with direct, expresse, presumptuous, or highhanded blasphemy, either by wilfull or obstinate denying the true God, or his Creation, or Government of the world: or shall curse God in like manner, or reproach the holy religion of God as if it were but a politick device to keep ignorant men in awe; or shal utter any other kinde of Blasphemy of the like nature & degree they shall be put to death. Levit. 24. 15. 16.

4. If any person shall commit any wilfull murther, which is Man slaughter, committed upon premeditate malice, hatred, or crueltie not in a mans necessary and just defence, nor by meer casualty against his will, he shall be put to death. Exod. 21. 12. 13. Numb. 35. 31.

5. If any person slayeth another suddenly in his anger, or cruelty of passion, he shall be put to death. Levit. 24. 17. Numb. 35. 20. 21.

6. If any person shall slay another through guile, either by poysoning, or other such devilish practice, he shall be put to death. Exod. 21. 14.

7. If any man or woman shall lye with any beast, or bruit creature, by carnall copulation; they shall surely be put to death: and the beast shall be slain, & buried, and not eaten. Lev. 20. 15. 16.

8. If any man lyeth with man-kinde as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed abomination, they both shal surely be put to death: unles the one partie were forced (or be under fourteen years of age in which case he shall be seveerly punished) Levit. 20. 13.

9. If any person commit adulterie with a married or espoused wife; the Adulterer & Adulteresse shall surely be put to death. Lev. 20. 19. & 18. 20 Deu. 22. 23. 27.

10. If any man stealeth a man, or Man-kinde, he shall surely be put to death Exodus 21. 16.

11. If any man rise up by false-witnes wittingly and of purpose to take away any mans life: he shal be put to death. Deut. 19. 16. 18. 16.

12. If any man shall conspire, and attempt any Invasion, Insurrection, or publick Rebellion against our Common-Wealth: or shall indeavour to surprize any Town, or Townes, Fort, or Forts therin; or shall treacherously, & perfidiously attempt the Alteration and Subversion of our frame of Politie, or Government fundamentally he shall be put to death. Numb. 16. 2 Sam. 3. 2 Sam. 18. 2 Sam. 20.

13. If any child, or children, above sixteen years old, and of sufficient understanding, shall curse, or smite their natural father, or mother; he or they shall be put to death: unles it can be sufficiently testified that the Parents have been very unchristianly negligent in the education of such children; or so provoked them by extream, and cruel correction: that they have been forced therunto to preserve themselves from death or maiming. Exod. 21. 17. Lev. 20. 9. Exod 21. 15.

14. If a man have a stubborn or rebellious son, of sufficient years & uderstanding (viz) sixteen years of age, which will not obey the voice of his Father, or the voice of his Mother, and that when they have chastened him will not harken unto them: then shal his Father & Mother being his natural parents, lay hold on him, & bring him to the Magistrates assembled in Court & testifie unto them, that their Son is stubborn & rebellious & will not obey their voice and chastisement, but lives in sundry notorious crimes, such a son shal be put to death. Deut. 21. 20. 21.

15. If any man shal ravish any maid or single woman, comitting carnal copulation with her by force, against her own will; that is above the age of ten years he shal be punished either with death, or with some other greivous punishment according to circumstances as the Judges, or General court shal determin. [1641] ...



So does that mean I am advocating puritan methodology?  hell no.

My point here is to provide very red faces for those atheists who would like to promote government as the source of law.

Enjoy your red faces because you will find this in all of the original laws of this country where it is obvious to a blind man where the law came from and to those with religion they already would tell you moses brought the law.

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RE: America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identit... - 4/17/2010 9:53:54 AM   
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The Puritans were theocrats. This is supposed to be news?

However the Puritan settlement of the Mass. Bay colony is well after other settlements in what would become the US. Jamestown was founded in 1607 and was by no means a theocracy as a matter of fact it was governed by, prepare yourself, the Charter of the Viginia Company of London, a joint stock corporation established by the English monarch to fund the settlement of the new world.

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RE: America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identit... - 4/17/2010 9:58:41 AM   
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quote:

All these athiests out here that would claim law is NOT based in religion enjoy your red faces.


Actually, the debate is over whether it's based strictly on Christianity.

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RE: America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identit... - 4/17/2010 10:01:19 AM   
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quote:

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The Puritans were theocrats. This is supposed to be news?

However the Puritan settlement of the Mass. Bay colony is well after other settlements in what would become the US. Jamestown was founded in 1607 and was by no means a theocracy as a matter of fact it was governed by, prepare yourself, the Charter of the Viginia Company of London, a joint stock corporation established by the English monarch to fund the settlement of the new world.


woah!

gotta capture this shit before you realize what you just said!  LMAO

then you agree that there are 2 independent forms of law running in concurrently yet you absolutely refuse to admit that people have the right to travel and corporates require a license?

You also just agreed with me when I contend that this whole country is one huge conglomerate of corporations which of course indirectly again supports the contention that you do not vote in a dejure prez but a corporate officer.

I damn near fell over when I saw your post.

thanks!


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RE: America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identit... - 4/17/2010 10:09:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

I damn near fell over when I saw your post.




That was a close call. You might have hit your head.

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RE: America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identit... - 4/17/2010 10:10:46 AM   
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I think number 2. kind of cancels out the rest.

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RE: America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identit... - 4/17/2010 10:19:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

All these athiests out here that would claim law is NOT based in religion enjoy your red faces.


Actually, the debate is over whether it's based strictly on Christianity.


you will find that Christians quote the whole of the bible in support of the law.  Not everything in the bible is construed as law.  The problem with even that is once they leave the fundamental basis they open themselves up for grand error as popeye pointed out.

Nonetheless it does not change the fact the law in america has its roots in religion and coming from england for the most part some flavor of christianity.


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RE: America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identit... - 4/17/2010 10:21:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

The Puritans were theocrats. This is supposed to be news?

However the Puritan settlement of the Mass. Bay colony is well after other settlements in what would become the US. Jamestown was founded in 1607 and was by no means a theocracy as a matter of fact it was governed by, prepare yourself, the Charter of the Viginia Company of London, a joint stock corporation established by the English monarch to fund the settlement of the new world.


woah!

gotta capture this shit before you realize what you just said!  LMAO

then you agree that there are 2 independent forms of law running in concurrently yet you absolutely refuse to admit that people have the right to travel and corporates require a license?

You also just agreed with me when I contend that this whole country is one huge conglomerate of corporations which of course indirectly again supports the contention that you do not vote in a dejure prez but a corporate officer.

I damn near fell over when I saw your post.

thanks!


No I do not agree. The US Constitution is not based on the Charter of the Virginia Company nor on the bylaws of the Mass. Bay Colony. You fail to realize that the 13 colonies were founded under very distinct circumstances and that while the Puritans around Boston may have felt their colony was christian in nature, Wlliam Penn's colony was founded on a belief in pluralism that completely rejects the concept of theocracy. It was no coincidence that Philadelphia was at the heart of the Revolution and Penn's ideals have had far greater impact on our laws than the Puritans theocracy.

As to your silly ass corpoartion claims, you probably should study the history of the Virginia colony. You'll lie about it but honest people will find when the Virginia Company was removed from control of the colony and when self rule by the colonists began.

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RE: America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identit... - 4/17/2010 10:32:37 AM   
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Nonetheless it does not change the fact the law in america has its roots in religion and coming from england for the most part some flavor of christianity.


By that same argument, it's also rooted in part in some flavor of Druidism.

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RE: America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identit... - 4/17/2010 10:39:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

Nonetheless it does not change the fact the law in america has its roots in religion and coming from england for the most part some flavor of christianity.


By that same argument, it's also rooted in part in some flavor of Druidism.



sure some paganism the whole lot of isms as time went forward at least to some degree as Christianity takes the universal approach which is the foundation of freedom you find here with the distinction shown in the law covenants between guberment and the law of God.  Given a choice I cant imagine any sane man choosing law of mammon over law of God but they do. 



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RE: America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identit... - 4/17/2010 10:43:51 AM   
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Don't forget ancient Persia. Some of the best Biblical stuff comes straight from there.

So actually, you're under Iranian control.

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RE: America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identit... - 4/17/2010 10:44:39 AM   
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This is just getting better and better and better.

Meanwhile it is apparent after all that all US constitutional law, inherited common law and statute law is null and void and it is to the law of native American tribes that Americans must look for guidance.

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RE: America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identit... - 4/17/2010 10:49:54 AM   
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No. They migrated from Mongolia.

Much later, the New World Order took shape under Genghis Khan.

In America, this is carried out by the Anasazi. In England, it came to fruition with Henry VIII's Anglican false flag op for the Vatican.




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Actually English Law is more firmly based in the Pagan laws of the anglo-saxons than in christianity.

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RE: America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identit... - 4/17/2010 11:52:08 AM   
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This is just getting better and better and better.

Meanwhile it is apparent after all that all US constitutional law, inherited common law and statute law is null and void and it is to the law of native American tribes that Americans must look for guidance.

E



face it LE, everything has been converted to commercial under international admiralty.

You should see the look on a judges face around here when you waltz into court with charges against him under the admiralty.  They literally fall right off the bench and you wont ever get an attorney to do that for you ever because it will be the last case he ever gets.





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RE: America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identit... - 4/17/2010 11:54:12 AM   
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Actually English Law is more firmly based in the Pagan laws of the anglo-saxons than in christianity.


they had bishops on staff in england, they picked and chosed whatever best kept the monarchy in power.

Common law was brought to fruition by the people because a king cant do to much if the people he controls are out to kill him.

hence the great charter, the magna charta wherein if you know how to invoke can still be used here in the us.


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RE: America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identit... - 4/17/2010 12:21:08 PM   
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I nominate this thread for Random Stupidity.

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RE: America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identit... - 4/17/2010 12:21:18 PM   
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Actually English Law is more firmly based in the Pagan laws of the anglo-saxons than in christianity.


I'll second that.

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RE: America's First Laws? You got it! Christian Identit... - 4/17/2010 12:33:34 PM   
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I nominate this thread for Random Stupidity.

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And I'll second that.

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