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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/23/2010 1:53:21 PM

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have you studied Pinnel's case? Just trying to get a time reference here as to what period youre talking about

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/23/2010 2:00:08 PM

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Pinnel's case

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have you studied Pinnel's case? Just trying to get a time reference here as to what period youre talking about

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how do you feel that applies?

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/23/2010 2:08:59 PM

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I'm just trying to get a time reference for this period of English law you've studied

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/23/2010 2:26:24 PM

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Which still leaves your statement incorrect.

regardless if you can slice it, the point remains made.

No, the point remains bullshit.

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/23/2010 2:47:03 PM

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Which still leaves your statement incorrect.

regardless if you can slice it, the point remains made.

No, the point remains bullshit.

stop pretending its fucking boring

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/23/2010 2:51:10 PM

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Since you've forgotten--

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when I was a kid the cop had to prove someone was speeding now its guilty until you prove yourself innocent.

Bullshit. You're tagged on radar. Proof.

I had a speeding ticket just last year--my attorney had it reduced to a parking ticket--no points, small fine.

You claimed now it's guilty until proven innocent. It isn't.

When I pointed that out, you then shared an irrelevant point about how they used to have two cops--still innocent until proven guilty.

Dance, Dunce, dance, but there it is.

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/23/2010 2:53:29 PM

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I'm just trying to get a time reference for this period of English law you've studied

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I think the books in the law library here go back before the year 1000. I went quite far back and I frankly cannot quote precisely how far back to the letter.

The point being if you want to go into court here as a sovereign in the republic you have to understand how to conduct yourself in the correct manner as the king/queen would have done so when they were the court jury.

but then after all that time spent I found it in the law dictionary LOL

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/23/2010 3:05:48 PM

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Since you've forgotten--

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when I was a kid the cop had to prove someone was speeding now its guilty until you prove yourself innocent.

Bullshit. You're tagged on radar. Proof.

I had a speeding ticket just last year--my attorney had it reduced to a parking ticket--no points, small fine.

You claimed now it's guilty until proven innocent. It isn't.

When I pointed that out, you then shared an irrelevant point about how they used to have two cops--still innocent until proven guilty.

Dance, Dunce, dance, but there it is.

got busy LOL

ok so I will call the radar to the stand to testify then right?

Mr radar do you swear to tell the truth... sure

Ok Mr radar now you tell the court all about how this man was speeding.

Oh you are silent? well case dismissed then its my turn to file for injury.

Seems you fucked up doesnt it.

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/23/2010 3:42:19 PM

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You are an idiot.

Argument made and supported.

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/23/2010 3:52:41 PM

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You are an idiot.

Argument made and supported.

ok so you have never spent one day in court on your own. Thanks for proving my point.

Argument made and creamed in the real world.

This is not about concepts.

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/24/2010 6:32:43 AM

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Real, this is a silly argument - the radar is not a witness but evidence and deemed to be so the same as anything deemed admissible. Speeding offences are (here anyway) strict liability offences - actus reus only required to be proven, which the radar achieves.

What you do, if anything, is to acquire things that might help you defend a charge, for instance
a) the calibration record for the radar apparatus - here anyway, it has to be regularly calibrated and if it hasnt been then the evidence it produced is ruled unreliable
b) evidence of the authority under which the radar apparatus is being operated - more tricky but might appeal to your interests; no authority established by law or bylaw or vested in the operator and youre looking good

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/24/2010 7:13:13 AM

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He's confusing presumed innocence (or not) with the prosecution having a strong case against you--because in this instance, the evidence shows the defendant is, in fact, guilty. And that's because the defendant was, in fact, speeding.

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/24/2010 7:54:00 AM

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Indeed - this is why the only defence is to question the admissibility of the evidence, but to be honest unless you can have the evidence disregarded its not a wise thing to try given you'll get a more serious penalty if you fail.

Not every cause of action, prosecution or defence is pursued and for good reason

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/24/2010 7:56:09 AM

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Seriously, Ellen, I think he's just playing with whatever comes along.

It's hard to believe anyone could actually be as stupid as he presents himself.

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/24/2010 8:01:14 AM

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I tend to concur - clutching at every straw is how it appears, followed by weaving them together in whatever fashion will achieve a preferred or desired outcome; one might ascribe a description of basket case with some justification on these bases
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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/24/2010 8:11:45 AM

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"I think the books in the law library here go back before the year 1000. I went quite far back and I frankly cannot quote precisely how far back to the letter. "

*cough*
'nuff said
more BS from the foilhat
stop LYING about your fantasy life, you sad creatureseriously

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/24/2010 9:48:25 AM

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He's confusing presumed innocence (or not) with the prosecution having a strong case against you--because in this instance, the evidence shows the defendant is, in fact, guilty. And that's because the defendant was, in fact, speeding.

nah I am just laughing my ass off because you are so cluless on these matters.

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/24/2010 9:49:40 AM

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I tend to concur - clutching at every straw is how it appears, followed by weaving them together in whatever fashion will achieve a preferred or desired outcome; one might ascribe a description of basket case with some justification on these bases
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corpus delicti

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/24/2010 9:58:19 AM

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the law sets a maximum permissible speed. travelling above this speed is an offence.

that an offence has occurred is established by the radar apparatus, the record of which is then presented as evidence.

what on Earth you mean I am not sure

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RE: Concession Of England To The Pope. 1213 - 4/24/2010 10:22:35 AM

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the law sets a maximum permissible speed. travelling above this speed is an offence.

that an offence has occurred is established by the radar apparatus, the record of which is then presented as evidence.

what on Earth you mean I am not sure

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ah....

so where is the plaintiff injured party?

LE think corpus delicti

You should know better than to listen to musicman :)

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