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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/27/2010 11:44:14 PM   
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Wait a minute here, wasn't it just a week or two ago that Bill Clinton and Obama said that we need to curb the hatefull political rhetoric?
And now Obama is calling Az. "irresponsable?"


I'm listening to the Howie Carr Show (WRKO 680-am Boston)
They have a poll going , "Do you approve or dissaprove of the Az law?"
The results even in ultra liberal Massachusetts, "Approve 93% Dissaprove 7%"
Pops do you realise just homw many of your [osts referrence this guy and his radio show.Change the fucking dial guy,listen to some rock and roll or something...far less harmful to the mind.


Michael, it gets worse. Today Howie has a poll that asks; "Who's more violent, the Tea Party or the Arizona illegal alien protesters?"
Teaparty 12% Illegal Alien protesters 88%
And this in the "Bluest of Blue States!"
One caller said that he was pissed that these people are trying to associate themselves with the Democrats. The Democrats are going to pay dearly for this in November.
Pops your smarter than this....and I would hope you have enough respect for the rest of us to realise we are smarter than this.
Your whacko radio host runs a "poll" who the fuck is going to respond ?
Short answer.....his whack fucking audience that who.
His polls are about as useless as 80% of your posts and this silly Unconstitutional Arizona law.



Gee Michael, I must have hit a nerve!
Howie is no "wacko radio host." His show is number one in all of New England and has been for years now. Two weeks ago Gov Duval Patrick was in the studio taking calls from listeners and voters.
Also Dick Morris called in yesterday and talked about this new law in Az.
Love him or hate him he's one of the best in the business! He got Clinton elected twice.
He said that this is an absolute "gift" to the Republicans and that if Obama doesn't start enforcing the immigration laws and close that border "today!" that not only will the Democrats lose the house in November that they'll lose the *senate* too!!! That's what he said!
He said sen. Murry in Washington state is going, Reid is going, Boxer is going and a whole list of others that I can't remember.
He said that there's going to be a lot going and it is going to stun people the day after the election there's going to be so many.
He said this isn't a "cyclical" kind of thing that it is more out of anger by The People and another phenomena that was very complicated and I can't remember. And he said which pin on which handgrenade does Obama want to pull first, the "Amnesty" pin or the Cap and trade pin?
And he said McCain's flip-flop on "amnesty" and eagerness to now enforce our borders should be like a *fire alarm* to the Democrats!
Howie told him that almost all his callers are against "amnesty" and in Mass and R.I. that's means Democrats!
Oh yeah, and Congresswoman Shea-Porter in my old district in New Hampshire is going too! My sister in Hampton can't stand her. lol she'll get the vote out for sure!

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 4:51:16 AM   
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Dick Morris got Clinton elected twice? Just how far do you have your head up Dick's ass? That is complete and utter bs. If he was that good then every administration would have him around. He is a lackey with a big mouth and an ugly toupe.

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 5:36:09 AM   
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How would police go about deciding whom to stop when they go after illegal Canadians?

By stopping everyone at a checkpoint.

That would run afoul of the Fourth Amendment. It's an illegal search. That's long been settled law.

Sobriety checkpoints are legal because they are narrowly tailored towards a very specific government interest. Did you know that a police officer isn't even allowed to stick his head in the window during a sobriety checkpoint? Also, notice that they don't ask for papers unless they smell alcohol? They aren't allowed to.

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Did you know that in the USA, the total process takes up to 23 years?
I'd support any effort to streamline that process as long as no matter what it is, everyone here illegally gets behind those affected by the current process.

OK, then we are on the same page. It's actually very simple to do. All it takes is increasing the legal immigration quotas. The reason it takes 23 years is simply that in that category, there are 23 times as many applicants as the annual quota is (actually, the math is somewhat more complicated than that, but that's the basic point).

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Manpower. ICE's agents are already extremely busy going after criminal aliens.
The question I hear being asked is; "How do you tell a person is an "illegal" alien." I'll use your excuse to ask the same question of ICE turning a blind eye to the process; "How do you tell an illegal alien is a criminal?"

You tell the same way you tell about a US citizen: a criminal is somebody who was convicted of a crime. Simple as that. ICE is also interested in those merely suspected of crimes. ICE is plenty busy with that. Most prison authorities nowadays investigate every inmate's immigration status, and submit most illegal immigrants to ICE instead of releasing them. But it is often not very easy to tell if somebody is a US citizen or not (that's one of the problems with Arizona's new law).


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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 8:36:04 AM   
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Regarding your 'No Briner Dude' post 287;.......what the hell are you talking about?, No BrainThompsonx.

If you are a Mexican, stopped by the police, for whatever reason, you present your IDs, Driver's license, Green Card, if not a citizen, any other legal ID...that is usually enough.

What planet did you come from?

If you are a Mexican, white, Asian, or what ever, are stopped by the police, CANNOT present any legal form of ID, you are detained. If you are with an 'out of State' Driver's license, you should have other IDs from that state as well, proving you are a citizen of that state.

You claim you were an LEO...thank god you are retired, or did they ask you to take stupidity leave.

Oh, when you go to the DMV for renewal...no one asks for your Birth Certificate, fool. The only question I ever see is...Are you a Citizen of the US or No. Check status, if not a citizen enter your alien registration number, current address, sponsor (if that) etc.

Tone it down on the 'Jack'...jack.




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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 8:37:35 AM   
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~ Fast Just a Few Quick Things While Dinning on Room Service ~


The above would be your attempt to let us know that you think we care about your financial status either real or imagined

Wow - you people did a lot of chatting while I was traveling to Big D, in the "more equal" business section of the plane.
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"More equal" is your faulty interpretation of the law. No one is more equal.
Sure there is, both sections of the plane got to Dallas, I had a much easier trip. The difference between that situation and the AA/Vets is that I paid extra for it. It is 'more equal' status given with AA, and with special Vets consideration. Yes, I'm against any process giving people 'more equal' status,


Except when you are in that line with your hand out.
Because you have bragged to us all that you will grab every freebie out there.





PS - REAL nice try on the quote process that time - you were REAL close to getting it right!

You seem more interested in how someone post and not so much on content to which you are uniformly unable to respond.


Most interesting nobody is saying this isn't a crime - even MSNBC . (Nice screen print Sanity!)


Did you just arrive from outer space...it has been against the law to enter the U.S. illegally for quite some time.


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Please show me the the scoring protocol for the SAT that gives an applicant 200 points for spelling their name right...or is this some more of your anti-intellectual bullshit
Why did you get lower than 400. (200 for each section). Next time don't answer any question and you'll do better. At least according to this Snopes reference.


Your cite says you are full of shit...learn to read for fucks sake

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Original: thompsonx
As has been pointed out to you it is a misdemeanor. One needs to wonder at your motivation.
A crime is a crime 'x'.


So in mercland rape pillage and plunder are legally equal to jaywalking...let me guess Logic was one of the classes you slept through while you were drinking your way through college



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You who brag of committing a federal felony
Stating a fact isn't bragging.


Stating repeatedly in a public forum that you and your wife commit a federal felony every day is bragging no matter how you want to spin it



Why not start a thread on me since your love and focus are so apparent.


I love to point out hypocrisy and you are one of the biggest hypocrits on this board so I am just doing a public service.


But please keep trying - someday - you may even have the ability to use the quote process and people may actually understand what it is you are directing your intellectual insight and commentary.

You don't seem to have any trouble deciphering when I point out your bullshit






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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 8:47:45 AM   
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What a bunch of pussies...real revolutionaries used guns at Lexington and Concord and a lot of other little out of the way places where freedom loving men bleed to death in persuit of that elusive dream.

No-Brainthompsonx ..... you actually posted this?

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 8:51:49 AM   
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Regarding your 'No Briner Dude' post 287;.......what the hell are you talking about?, No BrainThompsonx.

Actually you are refering to post 288 not 287

If you are a Mexican,

How do you tell if someone is a Mexican by looking at them?


stopped by the police, for whatever reason, you present your IDs, Driver's license, Green Card, if not a citizen, any other legal ID...that is usually enough.

Your point?





What planet did you come from?

The third one out from the sun...how bout you?

If you are a Mexican, white, Asian, or what ever, are stopped by the police, CANNOT present any legal form of ID, you are detained.

Really ...what law give the cops this authority?

If you are with an 'out of State' Driver's license, you should have other IDs from that state as well, proving you are a citizen of that state.

For those newly arrived in my country you are a resident of a state and a citizen of the United States.

You claim you were an LEO...thank god you are retired, or did they ask you to take stupidity leave.


Why do you think I was a LEO?

Oh, when you go to the DMV for renewal...no one asks for your Birth Certificate, fool.


FOOL...When you go for your initial license how do you prove your old enough? Typically your momma takes you down with your birth certificate so you can get your cheaters permit(learners permit)


The only question I ever see is...Are you a Citizen of the US or No. Check status, if not a citizen enter your alien registration number, current address, sponsor (if that) etc.

Tone it down on the 'Jack'...jack.

That would be mikey not me.






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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 8:55:15 AM   
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What a bunch of pussies...real revolutionaries used guns at Lexington and Concord and a lot of other little out of the way places where freedom loving men bleed to death in persuit of that elusive dream.

No-Brainthompsonx ..... you actually posted this?



no-brain x brand:
Is it your position that the men who stood at Lexington and Concord did not use guns and were not real revolutionaries?

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 9:02:15 AM   
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So you a so called liberal are in favor of enslaving Mexicans so you and yours can get tomatoes for fifty cents a pound?
I'm not going to argue my "liberal" credentials with you tommie,I will just point out that identifying a likely consequence to a proposed "solution is niether pro or con...just a statement

Not just a statement mikey but an insistence that this is preferable to that.



for what it's worth.The use of "downside" was simply a counterpoint to your use of "upside".For what it's worth though I will offer this opinion...the folks screaming the loudest about "illegals" will be the same ones crying a river when a loaf of bread is $4.00...and a tomato $2.00

Well good bread is $4 a loaf and I do not care if anyone whines about paying the fair price for anything.
Fair price include the cost of labor...slave labor artificially lowers that price .



By the way,and completely beside the point but your "enslaving Mexicans" remark was typical tommie bullshit

Well mikey what do you want to call it when you don't pay someone their full pay for their work?


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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 12:41:11 PM   
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LOLOL, in the NY Daily News there's an article about the *Moonbats* in Arizona urging people to Boycott *Arizona Iced Tea* as "it's the drink of facists!"
But, if you read the can it's brewed in Nassau Co. L.I. N.Y.! Too funny!

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 1:15:36 PM   
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LOLOL, in the NY Daily News there's an article about the *Moonbats* in Arizona urging people to Boycott *Arizona Iced Tea* as "it's the drink of facists!"
But, if you read the can it's brewed in Nassau Co. L.I. N.Y.! Too funny!



Your contention that the demopubs are just as wakko as the republicrats convinces me that you still have your firm grasp on the obvious.

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 2:29:18 PM   
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Thompson, I'm off to the lottery/cigarette store owned by Russian Jews in this country legally.
Guess what they have in the soft drink cooler?

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 2:33:07 PM   
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LOLOL, in the NY Daily News there's an article about the *Moonbats* in Arizona urging people to Boycott *Arizona Iced Tea* as "it's the drink of facists!"
But, if you read the can it's brewed in Nassau Co. L.I. N.Y.! Too funny!

They should rename it Freedom Tea.

Sales will triple.

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 4:32:15 PM   
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LOLOL, in the NY Daily News there's an article about the *Moonbats* in Arizona urging people to Boycott *Arizona Iced Tea* as "it's the drink of facists!"
But, if you read the can it's brewed in Nassau Co. L.I. N.Y.! Too funny!

They should rename it Freedom Tea.

Sales will triple.


Music, yes I purchased three cans of their "Watermellon Fruit Juice Coctail" and it's delicious!
And it says on the can; "Ferolitto, Vultaggio and Sons, Lake Success, N.Y. 11042
And it's a great buy at .99 cents for 23 ozs
I guess that seals it, I'm a facist now! Does that mean I can smear govt. buildings with re-fried beans in the shape of swasticcas?
"I don't need no stinkin' badge, I'm a facist!"

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 5:04:44 PM   
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Immigration Law: What The Media Fail To Report


...The key phrase is “lawful contact.” Yet, as Byron York notes:
Critics have focused on the term “reasonable suspicion” to suggest that the law would give police the power to pick anyone out of a crowd for any reason and force them to prove they are in the U.S. legally. Some foresee mass civil rights violations targeting Hispanics. What fewer people have noticed is the phrase “lawful contact,” which defines what must be going on before police even think about checking immigration status. “That means the officer is already engaged in some detention of an individual because he’s violated some other law,” says Kris Kobach, a University of Missouri Kansas City Law School professor who helped draft the measure. “The most likely context where this law would come into play is a traffic stop.”
If you’ve ever been pulled over for speeding, the officer checks your license with dispatch to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Now, in Arizona, they will also check to see if you legally reside in the U.S.

Full article here


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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 6:24:29 PM   
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Sobriety checkpoints are legal because they are narrowly tailored towards a very specific government interest. Did you know that a police officer isn't even allowed to stick his head in the window during a sobriety checkpoint? Also, notice that they don't ask for papers unless they smell alcohol? They aren't allowed to.
Use the same argument for the "very specific government interest" of enforcement of the a person's ability to be in the country and requiring documents severs the exact same function. Why wouldn't that meet the same legality challenge?

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All it takes is increasing the legal immigration quotas.

Great - I'd support such an initiative as part of better and more comprehensive enforcement.
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But it is often not very easy to tell if somebody is a US citizen or not (that's one of the problems with Arizona's new law).
Sure it is; plenty of means especially if integrated at all current government 'gates' such as licensing and various permit applications.

To me this issue comes down to basic concepts. Pragmatically the position against this law generates these positions.

- Don't recognize the sovereignty of the US and feel people here illegally should be deported
- Don't believe there should be a requirement of legal status for employment.
- Support the exploitation of illegal workers by corporations.
- Want to continue impact on unemployment and larger corporate profits by not enforcing documentation of residency and/or employment status.

This is not a moral call - it's business.

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 6:27:50 PM   
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LOLOL, in the NY Daily News there's an article about the *Moonbats* in Arizona urging people to Boycott *Arizona Iced Tea* as "it's the drink of facists!"
But, if you read the can it's brewed in Nassau Co. L.I. N.Y.! Too funny!

They should rename it Freedom Tea.

Sales will triple.


Music, yes I purchased three cans of their "Watermellon Fruit Juice Coctail" and it's delicious!
And it says on the can; "Ferolitto, Vultaggio and Sons, Lake Success, N.Y. 11042
And it's a great buy at .99 cents for 23 ozs
I guess that seals it, I'm a facist now! Does that mean I can smear govt. buildings with re-fried beans in the shape of swasticcas?
"I don't need no stinkin' badge, I'm a facist!"

I like the Peach Tea and the Raspberry.

Its easily the best ice tea, and for 99 cents. A summer staple.



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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 6:56:18 PM   
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All it takes is increasing the legal immigration quotas.

Great - I'd support such an initiative as part of better and more comprehensive enforcement.

Would you be happy with a million a year and all of the attendant cost?
Up from the current 5000 per year I believe.




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But it is often not very easy to tell if somebody is a US citizen or not (that's one of the problems with Arizona's new law).



Sure it is; plenty of means especially if integrated at all current government 'gates' such as licensing and various permit applications.


You still have not come to grips with the basic question of how one proves citizenship.
Unless and until some method is used to link absolutely the birth certificate to the person who holds it there is no easy way to prove citizenship.


To me this issue comes down to basic concepts. Pragmatically the position against this law generates these positions.

- Don't recognize the sovereignty of the US and feel people here illegally should be deported
- Don't believe there should be a requirement of legal status for employment.
- Support the exploitation of illegal workers by corporations.
- Want to continue impact on unemployment and larger corporate profits by not enforcing documentation of residency and/or employment status.

This is not a moral call - it's business.


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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 7:32:42 PM   
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Reading comprehension Tommie....it's not enough to be able to identify the words....one should be able to discern the meaning behind the words....lol
BrainX....what is your major malfunction....now you have tommie drinking my Jacks?...what a schmuck!

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 4/28/2010 7:50:35 PM   
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Reading comprehension Tommie....it's not enough to be able to identify the words....one should be able to discern the meaning behind the words....lol



If you will point out where you think I was mistaken I will be glad to disabuse you of your ignorance

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