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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 7:34:25 AM   
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The hunger problem directly attributable to an ever growing demands for biofuels is a worldwide problem, effecting especially the poorest and most vulnerable people on the planet.


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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 7:37:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I will not discount that, nor refute that point, in the least, Tom. I (and many others) have said at the outset that hemp (something on the order of about 10 X) would make a far more efficient biofuel source than consumable grain stocks.

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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 7:51:50 AM   
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Its sick and wrong to make fuel out of food when you can simply drill for fuel and while people are going hungry.


I find it interesting that the only time you give a fuck about people being hungry is when you can post this kind of drivel.
JLF spoke of vegie oil for diesel and you jump into ethanol.
Do you really think you can run ethanol in a diesel engine?
If you think you can make an arguement against wvo I would like to hear it.

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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 7:52:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		soybean oil is the most common diesel.  and the well is still leaking.

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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 7:56:06 AM   
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The hunger problem directly attributable to an ever growing demands for biofuels is a worldwide problem, effectingThe word you want here is affecting. Effecting changes your meaning to nonsense. especially the poorest and most vulnerable people on the planet.

Bullshit



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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 7:59:19 AM   
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soybean oil is the most common diesel.  and the well is still leaking.



I read yesterday that if the little sub they sent down cant cap it it could take three months to shut it off.

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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 8:03:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Part of the central corridor flyway, the largest in the world. How many ducks, how much seafood, how many dolphins, whales, how much land, whatever, is spoiled in three months?  Will we require that they restore it, or let them devastate the area as Exxon did in Alaska?

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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 8:05:39 AM   
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Part of the central corridor flyway, the largest in the world. How many ducks, how much seafood, how many dolphins, whales, how much land, whatever, is spoiled in three months?  Will we require that they restore it, or let them devastate the area as Exxon did in Alaska?


Hmmmm... let me think...yup we are in for a butt fuckin'

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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 8:10:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorta makes the corn rather pale in comparison.  Lessee here, we got 3.16 million bushels of surplus corn laying around, do you have the figures on duckmeat, alligatormeat, bluepointcrabs and whatnot in bushels we got laying around, I seemto have misplaced mine?

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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 8:28:59 AM   
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The hunger problem directly attributable to an ever growing demands for biofuels is a worldwide problem, effecting especially the poorest and most vulnerable people on the planet.



Your earlier article contradicts that:


Nationwide, the use of corn for energy could result in farmers' planting more of it and less wheat and cotton, said Keith J. Collins, chief economist of the Department of Agriculture. But the United States is paying farmers not to grow crops on 35 million acres, to prop up the value of corn, he said, and much of that land could come back into production.

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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 8:37:21 AM   
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Sorta makes the corn rather pale in comparison.  Lessee here, we got 3.16 million bushels of surplus corn laying around, do you have the figures on duckmeat, alligatormeat, bluepointcrabs and whatnot in bushels we got laying around, I seemto have misplaced mine?

The fishery most endangered by this spill appears to be the shrimp fishery. The gulf shrimp fishery is the most valuable fishery in the US. looks like a big chunk of the west part of the fishery will be contaminated. Lot of good paying jobs just went away.

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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 8:38:06 AM   
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Good catch, I hadn't noticed the date. However, the facts related by the article are even more in play today:

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Meat prices seen rising on demand, lower supply

U.S. meat prices may rise to records this summer after farmers reduced hog and cattle herds to the smallest sizes in decades, the result of surging feed costs linked to demands for more ethanol.

CHICAGO — U.S. meat prices may rise to records this summer after farmers reduced hog and cattle herds to the smallest sizes in decades, the result of surging feed costs linked to demands for more ethanol.

Wholesale pork jumped as much as 25 percent this month to 90.68 cents a pound last week, the highest since August 2008, U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) data show. Beef climbed 22 percent this year to $1.6896 a pound on April 23, the most expensive since July 2008. Chicken's gain in March was the most in 20 months.

Demand for pork chops, steaks and chicken breasts is rising as the economy improves, backyard barbecues resume and China and Russia allow more U.S. imports. Domestic supplies may drop to a 13-year low because of culls to stem losses caused by corn prices that doubled after former President George W. Bush set targets to increase ethanol use.

"Ethanol-induced prices in meat are just now getting to the marketplace," said Steve Meyer, the president of Paragon Economics, a meat-industry consultant in Des Moines, Iowa. "Consumers are going to see the highest prices they've ever paid in meat and poultry because of the decisions made to make corn into ethanol."

Full article at http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jfuYCNDwSbDlL48PB87SrT8ZBSPAD9F87CL81




Your link doesn't match your quote.

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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 9:23:05 AM   
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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 1:37:54 PM   
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U.S. meat prices may rise to records this summer after farmers reduced hog and cattle herds to the smallest sizes in decades, the result of surging feed costs linked to demands for more ethanol.


CHICAGO — U.S. meat prices may rise to records this summer after farmers reduced hog and cattle herds to the smallest sizes in decades, the result of surging feed costs linked to demands for more ethanol.

Wholesale pork jumped as much as 25 percent this month to 90.68 cents a pound last week, the highest since August 2008, U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) data show. Beef climbed 22 percent this year to $1.6896 a pound on April 23, the most expensive since July 2008. Chicken's gain in March was the most in 20 months.

Demand for pork chops, steaks and chicken breasts is rising as the economy improves, backyard barbecues resume and China and Russia allow more U.S. imports. Domestic supplies may drop to a 13-year low because of culls to stem losses caused by corn prices that doubled after former President George W. Bush set targets to increase ethanol use.

"Ethanol-induced prices in meat are just now getting to the marketplace," said Steve Meyer, the president of Paragon Economics, a meat-industry consultant in Des Moines, Iowa. "Consumers are going to see the highest prices they've ever paid in meat and poultry because of the decisions made to make corn into ethanol."

Full article at ]

The only fly in this ointment sanity is that other countries,,,,especially Russia refuse to buy american beef or poultry because we insist on making our beef, hogs, and chickens choke down ever increasing amounts of steriods. So, if you do see prices raise in the US is really a function of Farmers thinning herds to get prices up rather than a great increase in Corn prices.

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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 1:49:15 PM   
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The only fly in this ointment sanity is that other countries,,,,especially Russia refuse to buy american beef or poultry because we insist on making our beef, hogs, and chickens choke down ever increasing amounts of steriods. So, if you do see prices raise in the US is really a function of Farmers thinning herds to get prices up rather than a great increase in Corn prices.



In addition to that:
If the floor price on corn is not met then farmers get the difference in the form of a check from the government.
The farmer then takes the corn he recieved a subsidy from the taxpayer and feeds it to cows so that they mature in half the time as grass fed cattle. The fly in this ointment is the same as yours. Who ever designed cows designed them to turn grass into meat protien. When you try to get them to turn corn into meat protien they develop a liver disease which kills them so the farmer has to give them ever increasing amounts of antibiotics to keep them alive till they can be butchered. At the same time they slam them with estrogen so both the boy cows and the girl cows think they are knocked up and consequently gain weight more quickly. The consumer is the recipient of all of these hormones and antibiotics to the point that antibiotics are becoming less effective against disease.
This ass wipe piece of shit farmers name is ADM,Cargil and a few of the big boys feeding at the public trough.

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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 2:16:27 PM   
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How do you like this oil floating all over the world?


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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 2:42:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do you realize what this phase of the argument means ? Drilling for oil reduces the price of corn, and when there is a spill it will increase the cost of seafood. Things are so interdependent. I am frequently accused of overthinking, and things like this give weight to my retort, that most people underthink things.

It's still all about money. If I were drilling in the sea for oil I would at least try to have a contingency plan in case something like this happened. What is it 13,000 gallons per minute ? There are over 43,000 minutes in a month. (or was it per hour ? ) Whichever, how many barrells is that ?

So they gambled and lost. But the point here is that they lost quite a bit that doesn't belong to them.

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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 3:00:24 PM   
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This effect of the affected areas embodies everyone.

Yes, we all are interconnected. You are not wrong to over think. Better than Under Thinking.


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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 3:07:26 PM   
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RE: Drill baby, drill? - 4/27/2010 6:53:24 PM   
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soybean oil is the most common diesel.  and the well is still leaking.


I could be wrong, but I seem to remember in a film I just saw, that the demand for soy beans in China is resulting in rain forests being cleared for soy crops. Can't say for sure, because I am working on a cold med induced fog here. But I am pretty sure that's what the guy said. Now why they can't grow the soy somewhere else, I don't know.


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