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DomKen -> Drill baby, drill? (4/22/2010 4:10:28 PM)

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2010/04/burning_oil_rig_sinks.html

13,000 gallons an hour were spilling. No one knows how much now.




Termyn8or -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/22/2010 4:22:49 PM)

Well since You posted it, I ask are you fer or agin offshore drilling ? On one hand we depend to much on the Arabs et alii for oil, on the other hand we have this.

And I didn't see much on the cause of this catastrophe, was it someone smoking in the boy's room or what ?

From what I understand, that nice light sweet crude ignites more easily. But it is nothing like gasoline for example.

T




thompsonx -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/22/2010 4:24:50 PM)

I wonder what the law is concerning salvage?
If someone went there with a tanker and some floating booms would they be allowed to keep what they recover?




Termyn8or -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/22/2010 4:58:00 PM)

Recover what ?

T




thompsonx -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/22/2010 5:10:07 PM)

The fire is out and now it is just pumping crude out into the gulf.




Termyn8or -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/22/2010 5:43:42 PM)

So the sea will die. Isn't that that the fourth or fifth sign or seal or something of the apocolypse ?

What is left now, where do I find the last martyr ?

Bring it on, it just makes me appreciate being old.

Oh, and if you don't like fishing and swimming in crude oil, shut the fuck up because the ADL likes it. There is going to be (supposedly) a major law enforcement action against people like you.

Hello death, I'll be with you shortly.

T




pyroaquatic -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/22/2010 5:44:53 PM)

IT seems Fate has bitched slap some people. 13000 gallons an hour.

I'll be on bike so that way the zombies can't catch up and I do not have to forage for gasoline.

This is Earth Day. Watch us deform and torture the very ground we step upon.




Madame4a -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/22/2010 5:52:31 PM)

Its very difficult if not impossible to successfully deploy boom s where that platform was.  In addition the wellhead is affixed to the sea floor 5000 feet down... again, difficult at best... if one could recover the oil, it would be best just to cap it

and marine salvage laws don't really cover stuff like this




thompsonx -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/22/2010 5:52:44 PM)

Bring it on, it just makes me appreciate being old.

lol...
I got shoes older than you[;)]




thompsonx -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/22/2010 6:00:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Madame4a

Its very difficult if not impossible to successfully deploy boom s where that platform was.  In addition the wellhead is affixed to the sea floor 5000 feet down... again, difficult at best... if one could recover the oil, it would be best just to cap it

and marine salvage laws don't really cover stuff like this


I agree that the production company will cap the well and set another rig.
I was just musing about what would happen if someone were to go snag  several millions of gallons of oil that will escape before they do cap it.
As for the law; that is what I am curious about ...there has to be a law that would cover this.
Whether it is feasable or not was not my question.
Assuming that it would be feasable and there were no governing convention what would the oil company do to someone who was "picking up their trash"?




Termyn8or -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/22/2010 11:55:27 PM)

You got shoes older than me ? We'll have to talk about this some other time.

Actually, if someone goes down there and caps it, why not just hook up a new pipe and make some money ?

Being in the Gulf of Mexico, I would say that either Mexican or US law would apply. Maritme laws are clear on this, despite my lack of specific knowledge on this, I am sure that US law, at least is quite clear and it is just a mattter of research. Booty and bounty are clearly defined, and most likely belong to the government. When a legal company is operating under their good graces what they take in international waters is their's under certain circumstances. Acording to the law, anythiong else is government property, no matter who takes it. Yup, that's pretty much how it reads.

The wreck of the Exxon Valdez was the last time I paid any attetion to such matters so I can't remember everything.

However if it is nice light sweet crude, someone better do something. With it's low viscosity, it will be all over the world shortly.

It's not quite like olive oil, if you throw a gallon of it in lake Erie it will be in Canada in a matter of hours and will spread itself down to literally one molecule thickness on the surface. Crude is not so thin, so there is the possibility that someone could actually figure out how to scoop it up. Who actually owns it at that point is beyond my pervue, but I would support the "finder's keeper's notion. Just like the company who drilled the well in the first place, they spent the money to get it.

BTW, just where is the company that drilled it in the first place ? They are losing a shitload of money right now and I would think that they would want to do something about it and possibly maybe even pull a profit out of it. Also I doubt that someone smoking in the boy's room caused this. Were they welding at the same time as pumping or what ? Or was it an attack ? I mean a cigarette butt is not going to ignite this shit.

T




DomYngBlk -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/23/2010 3:56:35 AM)

It is inevitable if you are going to go to greater lengths to drill for oil in the seas or artic or mountains then this sort of thing is going to happen.




Sanity -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/23/2010 6:49:36 AM)

quote:

Coast Guard: No oil leak from sunken rig off La.

NEW ORLEANS – No oil appeared to be leaking from a drilling rig that exploded and sank in the Gulf of Mexico, the Coast Guard said Friday, though officials were trying to contain what spilled after the blast and prevent any threat to the coast's fragile ecosystem.

<snip>

The rig burned for nearly two days until it sank Thursday morning. The fire was out, but officials initially feared as much as 336,000 gallons of crude oil a day could be rising from the sea floor nearly 5,000 feet below.

Coast Guard Rear Adm. Mary Landry said Friday morning that no oil appeared to be leaking from a well head at the ocean floor, nor was any leaking at the water's surface. But she said crews were closely monitoring the rig for any more crude that might spill out.

<snip>

BP PLC, which leased the rig and took the lead in the cleanup, said Friday it has activated an extensive oil spill response, including using remotely operated vehicles to assess the well and 32 vessels to mop up the spill.

BP Chief Executive Tony Hayward said the company will do "everything in our power to contain this oil spill and resolve the situation as rapidly, safely and effectively as possible."

<snip>


Landry said crews saw a 1-mile-by-5-mile rainbow sheen of what appeared to be a crude oil mix on the surface.

At the worst-case figure of 336,000 gallons a day, it would take more than a month for the amount of crude oil spilled to equal the 11 million gallons spilled from the Exxon Valdez in Alaska's Prince William Sound.


A turn in winds and currents might send oil toward fragile coastal wetlands — nurseries for fish and shrimp and habitat for birds.


"As you get closer to shore, you get richer and richer marine habitats, and also get the potential for long-term exposure," Helton said. To prevent that, the Marine Spill Response Corp., an energy industry cleanup consortium, brought seven skimmer boats to suck oily water from the surface, four planes that can scatter chemicals to disperse oil, and 500,000 feet — 94.6 miles — of containment boom, a floating barrier with a skirt that drapes down under the water and corrals the oil.

<snip>

Full article






flcouple2009 -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/23/2010 8:10:26 AM)

There is already enough oil in the water to be a huge disaster if it reaches the coast line and mucks up the estuaries. 

Having grown up in South Louisiana I am well acquainted with what even small leaks form pipe lines can do to an area.  It's not pleasant to come down a bayou or canal and run into the oil and dead fish covering the water.  You smell it long before you see it.   Some of those sections once it happens stay dead or damaged for years.

I stayed out of the oil field (mostly)  but I always had friends or family off shore.  While the safety record is good you always know something bad can happen in an instant. 

It's reported now that the 11 missing were all at work on the rig floor at the time of the explosion and are assumed dead.  Remember them and their families to who ever you pray too. 




flcouple2009 -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/24/2010 5:50:08 PM)

Well it appears now that the reports of no leakage were premature.  




Termyn8or -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/25/2010 1:21:29 AM)

If nobody does anything given some time it should basically clog itself up. However since it has been drilled it might just let the pressure build for a time and essentially "fart" at any given time. That means the environmental impact is very difficult to assess.

If I were dictator if the world I would be fine with offshore drilling, but far out. I certainly would not condone it in the Gulf. C'mon folks, I think this is simple common sense. Aside from the obvious environmental impact what of the enjoyment of the region, which does suppot a real part of the economy ? It's like shitting where you eat.

Nearby, there are some secret fishing spots that some of my friends know about, perhaps I should just drill for oil there ? Hell no. That's ridiculous.

There is a 12 mile limit for something or another, but drilling for oil should only be allowed more like 50 miles out. At least then if something happens there is some time to respond. Drilling near the coastline is really about as bad as leaving a loaded gun on the floor in a kindergarden classroom. It is foolish. Well maybe they were 50 miles out, maybe it should be farther. I am not the judge of that, but too close is too close.

And you know why it was too close ? transportation costs. That means money. Why does everything come back to money, and not just money, but money NOW. You can make 10% more money this month but you will destroy the world doing it. Most people would probably take that deal. Stupidity or greed, it doesn't metter which anymore. Like I said with 911, complicity or incompetence, it doesn't matter. This world is being run into the ground.

Know what, I am going to relax and sit back and comtemplate tht last sentence now.

T




Loki45 -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/25/2010 5:47:32 AM)

It often amuses me how people can simply make up facts about a news story and try to pass it off as truth. Multiple sources of news have said there is no leak.

Yet...magically....it's 13,000 gallons an hour? Wow. That's some damned fine magic there.




Lucylastic -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/25/2010 6:03:11 AM)

updates for those interested
Oil leaking from site of sunken rig, Coast Guard says
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/24/oil-leaking-from-site-of-sunken-rig-coast-guard-says/?hpt=T2

Oil Leaking Underwater From Well in Rig Blast

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/25/us/25rig.html   

Coast Guard: Oil Leaking From Well at Blast Site

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704627704575204590586862162.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories


Im truly sad for the families of those that were lost and for the future of the eco system in the aftermath





Loki45 -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/25/2010 6:06:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
updates for those interested
Oil leaking from site of sunken rig, Coast Guard says
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/24/oil-leaking-from-site-of-sunken-rig-coast-guard-says/?hpt=T2
Oil Leaking Underwater From Well in Rig Blasthttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/25/us/25rig.html    
Coast Guard: Oil Leaking From Well at Blast Sitehttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704627704575204590586862162.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories


Im truly sad for the families of those that were lost and for the future of the eco system in the aftermath


Ah well. What can I say. Not a lot of screens show the news when you're in a room full of people playing poker.




Lucylastic -> RE: Drill baby, drill? (4/25/2010 6:07:40 AM)

Im sorry to say I do not have that excuse.....im just off to bed....




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