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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I have read many of your post and you are neither ignorant nor stupid...so can we stop with the foolishness?

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What do you suggest?

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Waiting for the Man

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ORIGINAL: Silence8

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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part of the reason more black people don't post here is the utter blindness many posters have about these problems, including the three directly above me.

What the fuck are you talking about?

What the fuck are you talking about?

The CM crowd is hardly progressive.

Personally, I'm just used to it because I grew up in a hardly progressive part of the country. Sometimes I even think [poster's named excluded so I don't get another one of those moderator emails] is kind of funny, you know, for a bigot.

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

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I am sorry you missed the post that explained that the U.S. was fuded for its first 75 years by the taxes on the product of slave labor. The infrastructure we benifit from today is based on that previous infrastructure so we today benifit from the labor of those slaves.

I didn't miss anything. That said, you used the word culpability:
culpable - blameworthy: deserving blame or censure as being wrong or evil or injurious; "blameworthy if not criminal behavior"; "censurable misconduct ...
Please explain to me how someone can be culpable for events that occurred over 100 years before they were even born.

You benifit from the unpaid labor of slaves...you don't like the word culpable?
What word would you use to describe benifiting from the unpaid labor of slaves?
Is the benifit somehow different if you are not the owner of the slave?
My daddy kills your daddy and steals his house. My daddy is dead and I live in your house and you live in your car. I did not kill your daddy. I did not steal your daddys house. I am sure you hold me no ill will and wish me a long an happy life in your house because I am not culpable of anything.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: Silence8

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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part of the reason more black people don't post here is the utter blindness many posters have about these problems, including the three directly above me.

What the fuck are you talking about?

What the fuck are you talking about?

The CM crowd is hardly progressive.

Personally, I'm just used to it because I grew up in a hardly progressive part of the country. Sometimes I even think [poster's named excluded so I don't get another one of those moderator emails] is kind of funny, you know, for a bigot.

OK--what the fuck are YOU talking about?

Some guy wonders how his posts reveal bits of himself. I agree that happens. Then Red's flaming leap, and now you off on I can't imagine what.

So what the fuck ARE you talking about?

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Elisabella, there are more black people jail because there are more policeman in our neighborhood than yours. Since the main job of a Policeman is to arrest someone and find a crime what do you think happens? They arrest people and find crimes. I dare say if you had this  many policeman strolling/riding your neighborhood that they would have more arrests there too. But the bigger question is why are there more policeman in East Cleveland than West Cleveland? Or more in Compton and less in Glendale? Is is skin color? Is it that we do drugs more than others? Do we sell more drugs that whites? Are we just "bad"? Or is it just easier to arrest a black man than a white man.
 

I would imagine it has something to do with the rate of violent crime in certain neighborhoods. Unless you're going to argue that the mere presence of police causes violent crime in an otherwise peaceful neighborhood, this is just a rhetorical distraction.

As far as the drugs question goes - people often compare a black inner city drug dealer with a white college kid who sells pot to his friends and say it's unfair one gets punished more than another, if it were just a random black person I'd agree, but street gangs these days are national crime syndicates so really the only thing comparable in 'suburbia' are the low level mafia dregs.

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I just ask you this. Put yourself in a Black Man from the inner cities shoes. You haven't had the benefit of a suburb education. Your schools are patently underfunded cause property values are dropping in your area not rising. Unemployment is 30% or more in the area. There are no companies within walking distance or public transport distance. If he can find his way to the company that has jobs he might be able to do he is in line with others that have more skills and connections to land that job. So what is he left with. He still needs money to put a roof over his head. Hopefully enough dollars to feed his kids and keep a wife if possible. What do you suggest? What good answer would you have for this man? ......I know what I would do. I'd get some drugs and hang out on the corner and wait for the white businessman or mom or student to come riding by wanting to buy what I am selling....
 
 

Well I can't answer the theoretical for myself without facing a "you don't REALLY know what its like" response to anything I'd say, but your question is flawed.

Most drug dealers in those neighborhoods become involved as young teenagers or even younger as lookouts and if you have to sell drugs to feed your kids, you shouldn't have had kids. Also, from what little firsthand and secondhand knowledge I have about the inside of a courtroom, if a first offender were to tell a judge that he had been out of work for a year and was desperate to feed his children and asked the courts for help in finding a job, he'd likely get probation or suspended sentence and referred to something that would help him find work. The 'gangster' mentality of most low level drug dealers have them instead sitting stone faced raging against the system instead of trying to work it.

But anyway, I'm wondering if you're saying a person from an inner city neighborhood has *no choice* but to become involved with a crime syndicate, because if that were really true I'd imagine it would justify a lot of preemptive arrests. Of course, if it is a choice, if being born in the ghetto doesn't mean you're automatically predestined to make bad choices, then the choice you know you'd do is nothing more than the choice you'd do, and personally I'd say that however bad that choice may or may not be, you're making a far worse choice when you choose to tell yourself that it's not really your fault you made it.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I have read many of your post and you are neither ignorant nor stupid...so can we stop with the foolishness?

That is incredibly passive-aggressive.

Really, when you post up that Kanye poped a paparazi and walked and compare that to scooter libby commiting treason...that is not even worthy of comment...foolishness is pretty kind in my opinion.

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Is it your point that black people and brown people are wealthy in the general population in ratio to their porportion of the general population? If not then your point about the rich,talented and important looses its credibility since only a tiny fraction of black people or brown people are in that catagory.

No, my point was that the two situations are not directly comparable, if we were talking about successful blacks being arrested for white-collar or political crimes more than whites it would be.

Yes they are directly comparable. Poor blacks see rich whites breaking the law with impunity...you can't see it because you do not want to see it.

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Do you really feel that bitch slapping a paparazzi is the same as the treason of Libby...(oh pulllleeeeezzzz do not pipe up and tell me he was not convicted of treason. The little fucking bag of shit outed an active CIA operative and all the shit about her being some flunky secretary is just so much more bullshit.)?
Do you really think that citing some rich black guy walking on a simple assault charge makes your case that blacks are treated equally before the law?

No, I don't think it shows that blacks are treated equally before the law, my point was about the rich, not blacks. That being said, your argument really doesn't prove anything, unless you're going to demonstrate how when high level black government officials commit similar crimes they tend to be arrested more than when high level white government officials do it.

Kinda defines you right out of the problem. Do blacks exist in porportionate numbers in that economic subset?..NO.
My point was,which you refuse to acknowledge, is that poor blacks see whites both rich and not rich break the law and not be punished while they are.
You want to say that rich blacks are punished the same as rich whites while ignoring the fact that rich blacks are a statistical null

Because really, saying "This well connected, rich government official wasn't arrested for a crime, but this poor unemployed black gang member was" has far too many variables to even THINK about singling out 'black' as the cause.

White guy commits treason and walks.
Black guy sells a nickle rock and does ten manditory.
Yeah I could see your point....If I had my head stuffed up my ass.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Since your daddy killed her Daddy.........why is...and how did....your Daddy die ?...I mean her Daddy died as a result of murder most foul.
Did your dad step in front of a bus ?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Since your daddy killed her Daddy.........why is...and how did....your Daddy die ?...I mean her Daddy died as a result of murder most foul.
Did your dad step in front of a bus ?

Don't you think that a theoretical asshole who would kill someones daddy and steal his house should die some sort of ingominious death?
Perhaps during the final stages of tertiery syphiliss he stumbled into one of the bars that the c guy and his alligators frequent. Unfortunately he was wearing a VIVA CHE tee shirt and had an old McGovern campaign pin holding his trousers shut...I heard it was not pretty.

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What fucking trash.

Just admit you don't give a fuck. You don't give a fuck. You don't.

You don't care about anyone outside your little bubble of friends and family who probably don't love you anyway, that's just the way it is, right?

It's one thing not to give a fuck. But if there's one thing poor people in general deserve, black or white -- you know, besides silly things like a place to live and food to eat -- is for oppressive upper classes just to admit that they are evil, that they are in it only for themselves and their clique. Their definition of love necessitates hatred of everything outside its bounds.

This thread is over. This is the only relevant point.

Close it down.

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What fucking trash.

Just admit you don't give a fuck. You don't give a fuck. You don't.

You don't care about anyone outside your little bubble of friends and family who probably don't love you anyway, that's just the way it is, right?

It's one thing not to give a fuck. But if there's one thing poor people in general deserve, black or white -- you know, besides silly things like a place to live and food to eat -- is for oppressive upper classes just to admit that they are evil, that they are in it only for themselves and their clique. Their definition of love necessitates hatred of everything outside its bounds.

This thread is over. This is the only relevant point.

Close it down.

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