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thishereboi -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/4/2010 1:58:08 PM)

Not sure where amerika is? 




thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/4/2010 2:24:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Are you saying the educational system available today is the same system when MLK was alive?

You know very well I have not said that so why would you post that except to avoid the discussion?

That racial discrimination is still rampant and legal?

You know very well I have not said that so why would you post that except to avoid the discussion?


That despite the color of your skin, if you have enough money, you still cannot buy what you want?

You know very well I have not said that so why would you post that except to avoid the discussion?
There there are still only white officers in the military and any otrher race is seen as inferior there?
You know very well I have not said that so why would you post that except to avoid discussion?

These are just a drop on a pin head of the differences between "now" and "then".

I have not raised the question of now and then. I have been speaking about how things are now and how you refuse to see it and persist in your up by the bootstraps horatio alger mindset.
When offered a chance to "walk the walk", so to speak, you seem strangely unwilling to enter the world of "equal" that exist for those who are not "blessed" with their irish mothers skin color.


As far as my pic, i inherited my irish mother's skin color (dammit lol) the bone structure and body type are definitely native.





thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/4/2010 2:26:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

Not sure where amerika is? 



I take it that you are not from around here?




thishereboi -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/4/2010 4:24:52 PM)

At the moment, I am just north-west of Canada. Where is here? Or should I say there?




LadyEllen -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/4/2010 4:34:58 PM)

"You are Alan Asky, and I claim my $10-00"

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thishereboi -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/4/2010 4:37:05 PM)

I wish[:)] I have always wanted to go there, but alas not yet.

Still outside Detroit [:(]




thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/4/2010 4:45:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

At the moment, I am just north-west of Canada. Where is here? Or should I say there?




I live in the same place I did the last time you looked in my profile.




thishereboi -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/4/2010 4:53:00 PM)

Oh, ok. Wasn't sure if you were home or not. No, I am not close to there. Wish I was though, just from the sampling of people I see on CM, it looks like a fun place to be.




thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/4/2010 5:09:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

Oh, ok. Wasn't sure if you were home or not. No, I am not close to there. Wish I was though, just from the sampling of people I see on CM, it looks like a fun place to be.


Only if you like lots of open space,solitude,no neighbors and the dry atmosphere of the High Desert.
If not it sux.




Silence8 -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/4/2010 7:11:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Little bit? wow... just.. wow.

Of course the man was about far more than respect. Depending on where you sat on a bus, it could have gotten you killed. Yeah, i think thats a bit more than "just" respect.


This is from Wikipedia, the MLK you're conveniently neglecting, that completely opposes your pathetic Horatio Alger attitude:

Poor People's Campaign, 1968
Main article: Poor People's Campaign

In 1968, King and the SCLC organized the "Poor People's Campaign" to address issues of economic justice. The campaign culminated in a march on Washington, D.C. demanding economic aid to the poorest communities of the United States. King traveled the country to assemble "a multiracial army of the poor" that would march on Washington to engage in nonviolent civil disobedience at the Capitol until Congress created a bill of rights for poor Americans.[103][104]

King and the SCLC called on the government to invest in rebuilding America's cities. He felt that Congress had shown "hostility to the poor" by spending "military funds with alacrity and generosity". He contrasted this with the situation faced by poor Americans, claiming that Congress had merely provided "poverty funds with miserliness".[104] His vision was for change that was more revolutionary than mere reform: he cited systematic flaws of "racism, poverty, militarism and materialism", and argued that "reconstruction of society itself is the real issue to be faced".[109]



You should go back to propping up Obama to voice your unapologetic social cynicism.

You can't handle MLK.






Elisabella -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/4/2010 9:02:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

I think not. Same words I have been saying but you have been calling me names. Is fine. I've been called names by the likes of you before. Won't change how I believe. So keep on. I am sure you have worse words you want to call me.....


MLK went to jail and died for his beliefs.

You're writing yours on a porn site.

See the difference?




thompsonx -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/4/2010 9:06:20 PM)

quote:

MLK went to jail and died for his beliefs.

You're writing yours on a porn site.

See the difference?


No,
but I am not him




eyesopened -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/5/2010 4:03:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx
quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened
quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx
My point is that there is more to the equation than you are willing to put into it.

Is there more to your point than you are willing to put into it?  I ask you questions and you provide no answers.  There is no discussion with you.

I am sorry I was not more clear.
When you speak of the lady who was damaged by thalidamide, she was damaged from birth onward and she coped with that which is a good thing and I think you are absolutely correct to hold her up as a person who has triumphed over tragedy.
What people of color face is not just what they are born with but what came before. The lady in your example does not suffer from a history of subjugation of those with chemically induced physical abnormalities. People of color are seen in the light of 300 years of second class citizenship. When you fail to consider those sorts of factors it will necessarily color your conclusion.




The lady in my example does suffer from a much longer history of subjugation.  For much, much longer than 300 years people born like her were often left to die as infants.  In ancient Sparta parents of such infants were obliged by law to either kill or leave their baby to die.  In Nazi Germany the physically deformed and the mentally ill were the first to experience "the final solution".  Ever see or read the story of The Elephant Man?  Until the most recent of times the physically deformed were less than second class citizens.  They were hidden in institutions, attics, basements and closets.  Or actually sold to freak shows in carnivals and circuses. 
The Civil Rights Act was signed in 1965.  The Americans with Disabilities Act took another 25 years. 
No, I considered all the factors, sir.  I think you mayhaps did not.




DomYngBlk -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/5/2010 4:48:00 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elisabella


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

I think not. Same words I have been saying but you have been calling me names. Is fine. I've been called names by the likes of you before. Won't change how I believe. So keep on. I am sure you have worse words you want to call me.....


MLK went to jail and died for his beliefs.

You're writing yours on a porn site.

See the difference?


I don't see what you are talking about. The comparison that you make is nonsensical.




DomYngBlk -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/5/2010 4:52:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: heartcream


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Thompson, you can do that for just about anything... being fat... being disabled... being native american... being asian.

The point is you have to play the hand you are dealt. How you play that hand makes all the difference. you can either settle back and whine and carry on about how things are unfair and as a result they will enevr get any better... or you can work your ass off to make a better life for yourself. Unlike the MLK days, a better life is more of a reality. No one said it would be easy... its only easy for the "white and rich". The rest of us have to work for what we get.

Its reality.

No one said there wasnt still work to be done. But to sit around and whine and blame others for your lack of "networking" to get ahead just doesnt cut it with me.


My two cents, my take on this tennis match here. DYB is not whining, name-calling and whatever yall have said about him. He is not racist or whatever else pejorative yalls said about him here.

Notice the bolded bits. Why is this either or? Why not take an afternoon or a few minutes and bawl your ol eyes out about the inequality, in justice, cruelty, hard-headed imprints buried so deep it can feel like swimming in toxic sludge round here.

Why are so many people against any expression of the exasperation, despair hopelessness that fills so many of our people whatever color gender etc? I dont get it. This buck up and face it shit has got to stop. What the Hell?

We all for the most part work hard, play the hand we are dealt daily. Why must we go around with stoic freaking presentation faces on? I call bullshit from here to the other side of the planet.

It doesnt last forever if you whine about something. If you cry about something de-hydration and exhaustion will end it before it goes on forever.

Let's soften it up here, what the hey ho?--we are talking about the down trodden, the left behind, the unlucky, the expolitedd, the less fortunate, the shunned, the fucked with, the unseen, the ones who didnt get the lucky breaks and there are freaking loads and loads and loads of them. Take down the fence we are connected. If someone is starving anywhere we are connected to it whether we admit it or not.

 
I wish I had said all that!




heartcream -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/5/2010 8:34:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Elisabella


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

I think not. Same words I have been saying but you have been calling me names. Is fine. I've been called names by the likes of you before. Won't change how I believe. So keep on. I am sure you have worse words you want to call me.....


MLK went to jail and died for his beliefs.

You're writing yours on a porn site.

See the difference?


If you had some real understanding of why he died you wouldnt be so firken snippy. What is up with that anyway? You have this old world intolerance to you that is a big drag. You mentioned once 'wait til you have kids'. You do realize your children have a great propensity to reflect to you all your denials. That is how the hippies came out of the rigid 50's and the punks evolved, going exact opposite from their folks.

Why is this site less valid than standing somewhere else and saying things of import? It falls on the ears of those who read here. Are people who frequent here invalid, unworthy folks of the earth? Nope there are some intelligent people here as anywhere, some smart, some not so smart, some dense, some not so dense.




tazzygirl -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/5/2010 12:03:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Silence8


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Little bit? wow... just.. wow.

Of course the man was about far more than respect. Depending on where you sat on a bus, it could have gotten you killed. Yeah, i think thats a bit more than "just" respect.


This is from Wikipedia, the MLK you're conveniently neglecting, that completely opposes your pathetic Horatio Alger attitude:

Poor People's Campaign, 1968
Main article: Poor People's Campaign

In 1968, King and the SCLC organized the "Poor People's Campaign" to address issues of economic justice. The campaign culminated in a march on Washington, D.C. demanding economic aid to the poorest communities of the United States. King traveled the country to assemble "a multiracial army of the poor" that would march on Washington to engage in nonviolent civil disobedience at the Capitol until Congress created a bill of rights for poor Americans.[103][104]

King and the SCLC called on the government to invest in rebuilding America's cities. He felt that Congress had shown "hostility to the poor" by spending "military funds with alacrity and generosity". He contrasted this with the situation faced by poor Americans, claiming that Congress had merely provided "poverty funds with miserliness".[104] His vision was for change that was more revolutionary than mere reform: he cited systematic flaws of "racism, poverty, militarism and materialism", and argued that "reconstruction of society itself is the real issue to be faced".[109]



You should go back to propping up Obama to voice your unapologetic social cynicism.

You can't handle MLK.





Show me where i said MLK didnt do those things. Come on, show me.




tazzygirl -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/5/2010 12:06:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

quote:

ORIGINAL: heartcream


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Thompson, you can do that for just about anything... being fat... being disabled... being native american... being asian.

The point is you have to play the hand you are dealt. How you play that hand makes all the difference. you can either settle back and whine and carry on about how things are unfair and as a result they will enevr get any better... or you can work your ass off to make a better life for yourself. Unlike the MLK days, a better life is more of a reality. No one said it would be easy... its only easy for the "white and rich". The rest of us have to work for what we get.

Its reality.

No one said there wasnt still work to be done. But to sit around and whine and blame others for your lack of "networking" to get ahead just doesnt cut it with me.


My two cents, my take on this tennis match here. DYB is not whining, name-calling and whatever yall have said about him. He is not racist or whatever else pejorative yalls said about him here.

Notice the bolded bits. Why is this either or? Why not take an afternoon or a few minutes and bawl your ol eyes out about the inequality, in justice, cruelty, hard-headed imprints buried so deep it can feel like swimming in toxic sludge round here.

Why are so many people against any expression of the exasperation, despair hopelessness that fills so many of our people whatever color gender etc? I dont get it. This buck up and face it shit has got to stop. What the Hell?

We all for the most part work hard, play the hand we are dealt daily. Why must we go around with stoic freaking presentation faces on? I call bullshit from here to the other side of the planet.

It doesnt last forever if you whine about something. If you cry about something de-hydration and exhaustion will end it before it goes on forever.

Let's soften it up here, what the hey ho?--we are talking about the down trodden, the left behind, the unlucky, the expolitedd, the less fortunate, the shunned, the fucked with, the unseen, the ones who didnt get the lucky breaks and there are freaking loads and loads and loads of them. Take down the fence we are connected. If someone is starving anywhere we are connected to it whether we admit it or not.

 
I wish I had said all that!


heartcream

First, i truly hope you arent calling me a "ho".

Second, no one said he could not vent. He brought up a topic, he vented, and when people didnt agree, he got beligerent. HE is entitled to his opinion, but no one else is?




heartcream -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/5/2010 12:19:59 PM)

Not sure taz where you think I called you a ho, I didnt.

Domyngblk didnt get belligerent, he simply didnt back down.

I am not talking about his venting anyway. I am talking about this whole dont sit around whine and cry and blah blah blah, pull your socks up, work hard and quit whinging is what I am talking about.

As far as venting on the boards, well why not? Perfect place for it sometimes.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course they are.




VideoAdminZeta -> RE: African complicity in the slave trade.... (5/5/2010 2:06:41 PM)

And on that note, I'm locking this thread until tomorrow.  Happy Cinco de Mayo to everyone.




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