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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Yes, walked it with bag. Didn't break a sweat. Simply not a sport. If you can do it and smoke cigs at the same time. Sorry. Not a sport.

Um, you can't golf and smoke at the same time. Good luck doing a one handed golf swing.

If you mean you can walk from hole to hole while smoking, well sure. Just like football players can smoke while they're walking onto the field. But that's not exactly playing.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

All well and good DYB...you have never actually participated in such behavior.But we know such behavior occurs...in one form or another millions of times a day the world over.
I think her point was life is inherently un-fair.....and tilting at windmills...is just that,tilting at windmills.Those who succeed do so despite lifes unfairness....not by railing against it and wishing it were different.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

All well and good DYB...you have never actually participated in such behavior.But we know such behavior occurs...in one form or another millions of times a day the world over.
I think her point was life is inherently un-fair

When in fact it is inherently unfair to some and not to all...which is the fallacy of her post.


.....and tilting at windmills...is just that,tilting at windmills.Those who succeed do so despite lifes unfairness....not by railing against it and wishing it were different.

What unfairness did bill gates overcome?
What unfairness did Ted Turner overcome?
I could make this list last to forever but you get my point.

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

You really have missed my points.  I don't know how to help you understand my views. 

I already said all human beings are born equal in value as human beings.  But human beings are not equal to each other.  If we were, what a boring, Steppford-like existance!  How beautiful is the rose and how different it is from the bird-of-paradise.  They are not equal flowers.  Yet they are both beautiful.  Things (and people) do not have to be excactly the same to be absolutely wonderful.

I worked with a young lady who was the victim of thalmidihyde.  She has no hands.  She has no feet.  She is just as valuable to the world as you are.  But she has never walked.  Hell, she can't even flip someone the bird in traffic!  But she does not spend her time whining about what she does not have.  She took what she has and made a life for herself.  She works, supports herself, pays her taxes and has a delightfully wicked sense of humor.   She did not set her sights at being a world-renown tennis player nor does she whine about how unfair it is that she never had that opportunity.  Is she equal in ability?  No.  But I submit that she is superior in spirit than most people I know.

somehow in your mind this is exactly equal to institutionalized racism and bigotry.
This ladies coping with her physical disabilities is exactly equal to overcoming racism and bigotry in ones daily life?


Who should be "dispatched" when the world cannot support its own population is a strawman arguement.


I would posit that war is a method of retroactive birth control...so "dispatching" the "undesireables" has been with us for quite some time

  It has nothing whatsoever to do with the point I was making nor the topic of this thread.  There have been studies that show over-crowding of animals lead to self-distructive behaviors that reduce the population.  In other words, they thin themselves out in some pretty awful ways.  http://www.psychlotron.org.uk/resources/environmental/A2_OCR_env_crowdinganimals.pdf
How that would play out with humans I could not answer as I have no expertise in that area.  I would not want choose to "dispatch" anyone but if I had to choose someone it would be anyone who has been proven without a doubt to have willfully abused a child.  Sorry, but there I lose my objectivity in seeing equal value.  I can't see those people needing to use the same air I breathe.  When it comes to people who enjoy harming children, I will admit to being a bigot.

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After working with the delightful woman I mentioned, it occurred to me that there are far too many people who have never had the sensation of walking or running.  I discovered http://www.narha.org/.   I donte.  It won't make people gain the use of their limbs, but it's something I can do, so I do.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
My point is that there is more to the equation than you are willing to put into it.

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
My point is that there is more to the equation than you are willing to put into it.

Is there more to your point than you are willing to put into it?  I ask you questions and you provide no answers.  There is no discussion with you.

I am sorry I was not more clear.
When you speak of the lady who was damaged by thalidamide, she was damaged from birth onward and she coped with that which is a good thing and I think you are absolutely correct to hold her up as a person who has triumphed over tragedy.
What people of color face is not just what they are born with but what came before. The lady in your example does not suffer from a history of subjugation of those with chemically induced physical abnormalities. People of color are seen in the light of 300 years of second class citizenship. When you fail to consider those sorts of factors it will necessarily color your conclusion.

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If you want to go ahead but nobody I know of considers "tiger" an athlete. He was the kid we stuck in lockers.

And, no, he is so popular cause he is part black. Stop. you are starting to slide into the absurd

How.. belittling. Tiger was so popular, in the beginning, because he was biracial and good. He is now popular because he is just that damn good. Golf has leaped into the arena of a major sport because of Tiger. People want to watch him, not because he is part black, but because he plays the game well. He was the underdog... the black kid on the course. No longer. He is the one to beat... and his skin color doesnt have a thing to do with his ability or why millions of people love to watch him.

Wasn't belittling him. Just simply pointing out Golfers aren't athletes. Simple enough.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

All well and good DYB...you have never actually participated in such behavior.But we know such behavior occurs...in one form or another millions of times a day the world over.
I think her point was life is inherently un-fair.....and tilting at windmills...is just that,tilting at windmills.Those who succeed do so despite lifes unfairness....not by railing against it and wishing it were different.

Obviously I disagree. And she was doing her best to "stick" it to this "boy". 

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And, no, he is so popular cause he is part black. Stop. you are starting to slide into the absurd