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They really do exist... - 4/25/2010 10:40:39 AM   
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Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking




THE aliens are out there and Earth had better watch out, at least according to Stephen Hawking. He has suggested that extraterrestrials are almost certain to exist — but that instead of seeking them out, humanity should be doing all it that can to avoid any contact.

The suggestions come in a new documentary series in which Hawking, one of the world’s leading scientists, will set out his latest thinking on some of the universe’s greatest mysteries.

Alien life, he will suggest, is almost certain to exist in many other parts of the universe: not just in planets, but perhaps in the centre of stars or even floating in interplanetary space.

Hawking’s logic on aliens is, for him, unusually simple. The universe, he points out, has 100 billion galaxies, each containing hundreds of millions of stars. In such a big place, Earth is unlikely to be the only planet where life has evolved.

“To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational,” he said. “The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like.”

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As I've mentioned in these forums before, I saw an alien craft early one morning, and I am a believer.



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RE: They really do exist... - 4/25/2010 10:48:32 AM   
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So. . . where is the mathematical analysis on whether or not the aliens would be dangerous? 

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RE: They really do exist... - 4/25/2010 10:55:28 AM   
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Wouldn't that make the universe a more exciting and dangerous place?

Not exactly breaking news that aliens may want to do us harm, I think this was covered in films such as Independence Day and Alien.


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RE: They really do exist... - 4/25/2010 10:56:47 AM   
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Wouldn't that make the universe a more exciting and dangerous place?

Not exactly breaking news that aliens may want to do us harm, I think this was covered in films such as Independence Day and Alien.



I was thinking along the lines of How to Serve Man and Ender's Game.

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RE: They really do exist... - 4/25/2010 10:57:39 AM   
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RE: They really do exist... - 4/25/2010 10:59:39 AM   
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I don't think math can cover that, in my opinion our best guide to that puzzling question may lie in an objective study of our own history archives.


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So. . . where is the mathematical analysis on whether or not the aliens would be dangerous? 


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RE: They really do exist... - 4/25/2010 11:47:47 AM   
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Hawking's been saying that for years, and I think he's absolutely right.

Unfortunately, it's too late to call the radio waves back. The word's out that we're here, that we're violent by nature, and that we're extremely unstable, and the news is spreading outward in a bubble at the rate of about 6 trillion miles per year. And all we can do is sit here at the center of that bubble and speculate on who's listening, and what they plan to do with the information.

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RE: They really do exist... - 4/25/2010 12:32:25 PM   
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RE: They really do exist... - 4/25/2010 1:30:17 PM   
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I have read that there is some new thinking regarding the radio signals we've been sending out. The new idea holds that radio waves dissipate and become part of the background static hiss so quickly that all our efforts to contact extraterrestrial life with such methods were basically hopeless.

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RE: They really do exist... - 4/25/2010 1:33:45 PM   
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Plus those aliens would have switched to digital long ago and thus been unable to receive Buck Rogers on VHS.

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RE: They really do exist... - 4/25/2010 1:39:14 PM   
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Sine is Opposite over Hypotenuse, Cosine is Adjacent over Hypotenuse, and Tangent is Opposite over Adjacent

Yes however, this only applies for right-angled triangles without curvilinear edges.

Sine theta.


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RE: They really do exist... - 4/25/2010 1:54:48 PM   
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of course aliens exist. where do you think we get the immigration people at airports from? You see anything less like a human being?

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RE: They really do exist... - 4/25/2010 1:56:40 PM   
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I'm a bit concerned Mr Hawkins is sitting a little too close to the sun, who left him there?

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RE: They really do exist... - 4/25/2010 4:07:22 PM   
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Who do you think did all the work needed to make the planet habitable, and bioengineered everything living here, and developed this wonderful garden we all enjoy?

Elvis?

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of course aliens exist. where do you think we get the immigration people at airports from? You see anything less like a human being?


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RE: They really do exist... - 4/25/2010 6:08:16 PM   
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Aliens intelligent enough to get here would know better than to contact us. Radio was invented by Marconi I beklieve in the 1930s. The speed of light is about 186,000 miles per second. There are 43,200 minutes in a month. That means about 482 billion miles a month. Let's take 1940 as an agreed era when broadcating started, so for round figures take 1940-2000 - 60 years. That comes out to roughly 347 trillion miles and change. That is our detectable radio sphere. How far does that get us ?

It's basically 60 light years boiled down, and that should get our presence known to another star system but we have no idea whether it is inhabited or not. If they are that far away they should be picking up basic Morse code by now, which should be decipherable. However now we have a very "prolific" system. There are how many 100.7 FM radio stations, how many 1220 Khz AM radio stations and how many TV chennel 3s, 4s, 5s and so on ? 

Knowing how all this shit used to work, with the stereo multiplex system, the NTSC TV system and on top of that colorplexing, I believe it would be quite a challenge, even for very advanced technology to be able to separate and decode our signals. The simply do not know the specifics, which is something I run into from time to time working. If I can't find the info I need via research I have to figure it out on my own.

Most likely, "out there" they are just picking up something from us that resembles noise, but not quite and it only alludes to the fact that there may be intelligent life here, something which I sometimes question. Like we pick up some signals that can't quite be explained on the radio telescopes and all that. Right now most of it is indiscernable as to whether it is radio braodcasts or a naturally occurring phenomenon. We have no way of knowing, how would they ? The only thing they would have to go by is the constant in sync 60Hz drone of TV broadcasts of the past, but then that was 50Hz in other countries. But it should be detectable.

And no matter what anyone says I would imagine interstellar travel is not cheap. Even if their society is not greedy and profit driven like our's, they would have to make the decision that coming here, basically on an if come, not knowing, would be worth the cost. No matter how their economy might be set up, this would be an issue.

And don't start this I am overthinking the subject, others underthink it. And too much time on my hands and I should get a life, well I got one. The difference is that I sleep thinking, I dream thinking, I take a shit thinking, I jack off thinking, I eat thinking, I drive thinking. Some don't understand, but I truly multitask. I can work on something and actually in the back of my mind have another thought process going. I mean really, how many people have given thought to the economy on a planet far away without being locked up in a looney bin ?

So honey there is no Santa Claus, and if aliens had landed here there are one of two possibilities. One is that they contacted someone who lives out in the sticks and do not desire discovery by the population at large. There is a book about that which I highly covet, and I don't even know the name of it but it describes such an event up in the mountains somewhere and the aliens were called Palladians. I don't care if it is fact or fiction it is still intriguing. Another possibility is that they came and contacted "the authorities" and are being kept hidden from our pervue by our illustrious and beneovelent leaders. Neither situation can be proved or disproved. So unfortunately we have to resort to logic.

Logic also dictates that after such a long journey, even faster thatn the speed of light possibly with their technology, they wouldn't come here and pick up some McDs and just leave. Therefore if they came, most likely they found volunteers among them to go on the trip. Money wouldn't do it because the check may be in the mail but their post office wouldn't know the zipcode to say the least, additionally there would not a branch of their bank here. That means on top of the cost of the journey, they would need supplies, because they would have no way of knowing if our environment would sustain their form of life. With advanced technology they might be able to determine that they could possibly live in our atmosphere and that gravity is similar enough, but with a half a brain they could not count on food or water at all. Or whatever they need to live, even if it is cyanide and arsenic.

So my consideed opinion on it is that if they are here they are in some government's "area 51" or something, at a large university or up in bumfuct Sweden or something with some guy who looks like a caveman.

For some time I have been accused of overthinking, but I retort that overthinking has resulted in most of the invention and innovation in the world. I could stop if it bothers you. I have already invented things which I refuse to patent, because they would become public. And most patents grant blanket rights to the government, which is EXACTLY what I do not want to happen. Y'all can "keep it real" if you choose.

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RE: They really do exist... - 4/26/2010 7:56:38 PM   
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Term, and they say that the universe is 156 billion light years across.

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RE: They really do exist... - 4/26/2010 7:58:58 PM   
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The best way I can think of to cross an area as vast as that would be on a ship thats built sort of like a planet.


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RE: They really do exist... - 4/26/2010 8:06:44 PM   
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The best way I can think of to cross an area as vast as that would be on a ship thats built sort of like a planet.



Do you mean like a globe or a ship that has hydroponics and breeding animals and such?

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RE: They really do exist... - 4/26/2010 8:11:45 PM   
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suddenly, that movie Silent Running pops into mind...

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RE: They really do exist... - 4/26/2010 8:16:39 PM   
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The best way I can think of to cross an area as vast as that would be on a ship thats built sort of like a planet.



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