Termyn8or
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Hawkins is right, they most likely do exist, but have they discovered us yet ? Doubtful because of the extreme number of variables. First of all is distance and the probable density of intelligent species'. This makes it doubtful.
But even thinking that they are aware of us assumes quite a few things. The first of which is the assumption that they have technology at all. People did and can exist without it, and as much as it seems unlikely to most of "us", they could have an advanced society and have a great life without technology.
Another assumption is that they see and hear similarly to us. If not, our signals truly would be considered noise. Would even that amalgamation of all out TV signals with those constant frequencies, which are basically the refresh rate be considered as a visual transmission by beings that have a very short persistence of vision, even if they can see as we do ?
And even if they can somehow pick out one radio signal among all the others, let's say one is stronger and separtely detectable, will they recognize it as language ? And if the did they would have to decipher it from square one, with absolutely nothing to go on. Think about how we learn language and give that some grey matter.
Even if all the other unassumable variables are on the mark, they do see and hear as we do, they have technology and so forth, who says that they have any desire for space exploration or even ever thought of building a radio telescope ? No matter how advanced they may be, is it a logical assumtion that they look up into the sky and want to go there as we do ?
I used to be a Trekkie, and it all started when I was seven years old. Even then I began to question all the assumptions made. One is that there is a propensity for life to develop into a somewhat humanoid form. That is highly debatable to say the least. What kept me into it was the powerful plots, and things were taken for granted. That's the show, if you don't like it change the channel, but Dad would've killed me. There were no VCRs and it was time for us kids to shut the fuck up or get out.
Sometimes it amazes me how many can swallow such a body of nassumptions when they are cognizant of the multitude of different like forms on this planet alone. They even found things that can live in boiling water under the sea. Certain microorganisms can withstand a vacuum, or being hit with gamma rays that would fry us in a millsecond, Even cockroaches can survive a microwave oven, and somewhere near the Darwin award zone it has been proven that kittens (mammals) cannot.
In fact given the variety of species' on this planet it is more likely that alien life would be like insects, just more intelligent than ours (we assume). They are stronger than most mammals by orders of magnitude, and can survive conditions that we can't even fathom.
What's more the laws of physics dictate that on any planet with a stronger gravity than ours can only support life that is either incredibly strong, and/or much smaller than us.
It is by the law of logic, highly probable, almost for sure that there is life out there. But there is simply too much assumption going on as to it's form and traits. If we ever really get out there we have no idea what we will find. Neither would they.
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