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Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/5/2006 7:31:30 PM   
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With the numerous threads that have been hashed out on these boards overtime discussing professional domination I thought I'd post an essay I wrote sometime ago on this very subject, alas it is in its first draft and needs a lot of work, but would love either feedback or discussion.  Why I am posting it is I think the plethora of 'pros' advertising on websites like Collarme and others, 'money dommes', etc have infact done the profession of commercial domination more harm than good.  Many professional dominatrices are skilled, talented and ethical women who pay their taxes, provide quality environments and sessions, and inherently understand and respect the part they have to play in educating the masses.
 
Unfortunately while some women may understand professional domination is largely a no sex service and refrain from offering sex (intercourse) as part of their sessions, it is largely misunderstood that the desire is for a client to be mentally dominated, and conduct their sessions with a strong sexual energy (ie: erotic tease) that leads to a ‘physical release’ as opposed to the ‘mental and emotional release’.   Thus visiting a Dominatrix for the purposes of intercourse will disappoint the client who was in effect wanting the services of an Escort offering ‘B&D’.  And vice versa, a client wanting to experience Female Domination will be disappointed when he finds himself in the hands of an Escort offering ‘kinky sex’ or ‘erotic tease’ as opposed to a Dominatrix offering domination.
 
Some reasons a client may seek out professional domination follows:
 
Bondage in a sense of restriction, equates to emotional security and safety.  The bonds allows the client, some say ‘forces’ them to focus inwards and turn off their outer world.
 
Discipline is often used in regressive role-plays to induce sensations of shame, embarrassment, remorse and emotional release at the hands of an authority figure.  Often associated with school styled discipline using canes and straps, rulers, etc, and involving a ‘school room’ scenario.  Other forms can include disapproving aunty/nanny and nurse/younger patient.  Some clients seek solely to feel the embarrassment of being admonished, while others seek a more intense emotional release and wish to be taken to the point of ‘breaking down’, resulting in crying, sobbing and begging for mercy. 
 
Corporal punishment clients often ask to be reassured during the discipline, that administering the punishment will ‘hurt’ the Dominatrix (in the role she assumes) ‘more than it hurts him’ as she ’really does not wish to punish him’ but correctional discipline is ‘for his own good’ and he will ‘thank’ her later for correcting his behaviour.  Her admissions of caring for his wellbeing invoke sensations of protection, boundary setting, and been cared for. 
 
Spanking while not solely a corporal punishment, has similar dynamics, with many clients seeking reassurances they are ‘still a good boy’ and that ‘aunty/nanny/mother/nursey’ cares a great deal for them and their wellbeing, often requiring the Dominatrix to comfort and soothe the client at the end of discipline.  The closeness of administering over the knee spanking aids the client’s sense of security and love. 

Deeper forms of regressive role-play, such as ‘adult babies’, are carried out with the aid of intense psychodrama.  The Dominatrix assumes a nanny/nurse/parent role and the client a young child or baby.  These sessions serve to take a client back to a time in his/her life where an intense feeling of love and security was experienced.  Deeply regressive sessions aid the client in experiencing those sensations as an adult, are deeply psychological and should never be dealt with flippantly.  When ‘regressed’ the client is for all intents and purposes a child/baby with the mental capacity the age of which they have regressed too.
 
SM (the use of intense to extreme levels of pain inflicted on the body to bring about the release of adrenalin within it, to produce ‘natural high’ and escalate mental and physical stimulation).  In cases of SM, play over an extended period can escalate a body’s ability to process pain into a pleasant sensation and thus stimulate the mind to want to receive more.  A client may lose their ability to tell how painful a sensation, desire more intense stimuli, and suffer a loss of mental capacity.  Thus making it dangerous to expect the client to make an informed judgement about their ability to continue the session. 
 
If a scene exceeds a client’s mental and physical limitations, combined with no thought to caution and ethical judgement, the risk of sending the client into shock is a possibility, as opposed to the feeling of ‘floating’ and ‘inner peace’ generally sought.  With this in mind, one must be knowledgeable about the human body and mind, first aid, and have exceptional observation skills.  When carrying out the more extreme forms of SM, regardless of your role (sadist/masochist), a practitioner should know and respect their mental and physical limitations.)
 
Domination takes many forms but the most often sought are: servitude/submission (willingness to serve) and subordinate (forced into being a slave).  A service-orientated client will seek a sense of helpfulness, humility, servility and worthiness, by showing devotion and honour to the Dominatrix’s role as his/her ‘Mistress’.  Readily carrying out tasks and enduring her mental and physical stimuli as a sign of his/her devotion and worthiness to her ‘higher power’.  Submissive clients will hold a favoured Dominatrix in high regard; will seek to please her in and outside of the allotted session time, and pay great attention to the orders and tasks she sets them.  He discovers a sense of fulfilment at her hands.  He may develop an ongoing attachment to her and it is not unknown for men to frequent the same Dominatrix their entire adult life. 
 
Subordinate orientated clients seek a loss of control and respect, often referring to themselves in derogatory terms during the session and seeking the Dominatrix to do the same.  They wish for the Dominatrix to mentally and/or physically exert her ‘power’, thereby ‘forcing’ him into slavery at her hands.  They seek to feel worthless; a subordinate creature whose true place in life is that of a ‘slave’.  This orientation is based in a deep-seated drive to experience a very real ‘lack of control’ over their actions, thoughts and person for a set period of time.  This need to give up responsibility and having his every action ‘controlled’ is in most part due to intense pressure they bear in everyday life to ‘be in control’ and having to ‘control’ those around them.  Generally ‘subordinate’ clients have no desire to explore BDSM/Fetish outside each session experience.
 
Punishment invokes a varied number of emotions, but the main two are ‘security/love’ and ‘remorse/shame’.  The first brought about by the placement of boundaries on the clients behaviour and/or ‘role-play’ and ‘real’ misdemeanours punished by the threat or action of ‘role-played’ and/or ‘real’ discipline; the latter, shame/remorse, bringing about the release of deep seated guilt and emotions of shame a client may have through the above mechanisms.
 
Humiliation like domination takes many forms, but common are personal and/or erotic humiliation is sought by the client.  Personal humiliation revolves around the client being abused mentally for the character they assume in session.  The scale can range from mild abuse, to intense humiliation and degradation.  Mostly associated with ‘subordinate’ fantasies.  Erotic humiliation serves to stimulate a client’s reaction to a Dominatrix’s words and actions, embarrassing and belittling his lack of control over his own bodily functions.
 
Because he is being ‘controlled’ by the Dominatrix, the client psychologically gives himself permission to do things he would not do outside the dungeon/session because he assumes no responsibility for his actions.  Thereby allowing him to session guilt-free of the emotions, feelings and sensations a Dominatrix may put him through.  It serves as an outlet for deep-seated fantasies and feelings of helplessness. 
 
The Dominatrix assumes the position of unobtainable Goddess, while the client’s sexual frustrations and fantasies are discussed at length requiring an admission of guilt, being laughed at and demeaned, then dismissed.  The predicament he find’s himself in aids his embarrassment and the sense of ‘naughtiness’ heightens his mental stimulation.  The client maybe made to stimulate himself as a form of embarrassment. 
The experience of being made to address their inner fantasies is an intensely sexual stimulus; often result in clients climaxing through the Dominatrix’s verbal stimulation alone. 
 
Erotic humiliation, and its milder form ‘erotic bondage’ while sexual in nature, do not involve sex (intercourse).  The Dominatrix maintains her position of power by maintaining her dignity in direct contrast to the client’s lack of it.  Forced feminisation and forced homosexuality role-play are often the base on which a client wants erotic humiliation. 
 
Fetishism may include such acts as foot worship, the wearing of clothing or materials, etc.
 
This is by no means a definitive guide but I hope for those who do not understand what professional domination entails this essay has at least given you an insight into what it can for the woman who does and the clients who visit with her. 

NB: Arpig, Realone, MichaelGA, McWhips and others who often post against the practice of professional domination ... unless you all have something constructive to add please refrain from posting your negativity on this thread. Jasmyn, who loves ya, but just can't stand you're obsession with all things pro.

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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/6/2006 5:29:40 AM   
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I don’t remember which site, maybe Femsupreme but I began a series called, “Becoming a Dominatrix”.  I’m actually going to revise it and add pictures to it with the help of friends.   Commercial domination has been around forever. It is true that many moons ago things were much different and the old seasoned pro’s spent much time, as did her clients in nurturing a relationship.

It was much harder to find a mistress back then. There wasn’t the web and these types of magazines were hard to come by. Let’s not forget the legal aspects of pro domination. For some reason it was always a target.
  Although there is no fucking, sucking a male off, etc. you will find that most clients are seeking the sexual energy/exchange. Yes, you have those who are masochistic or pure service oriented; however 75% are looking for erotic control. I never offered sex in my sessions, although I did a lot of touching and the sound of my voice often would create an erection. This doesn’t mean I feel the need to “get him off” but I certainly set the stage for him to do it and when he leaves it is that session he will replay over and over in many masturbation sessions.  

When I think of a skilled dominatrix I think of a woman who truly understands the physical and emotional aspects of power exchange. She pays close attention to his words and actions. She studies him and treats each client individually and not the same cookie cutter session everyone gets. It is true that when first going to a professional the session may be tame as she investigates your level. The best relationship is one that grows over tie where both client and professional move through different spaces & each visit is a new journey. A woman who is not skilled can’t do this nor can she truly penetrate a man.  

The problem with many women who have come onto the scene the last 10 years is that they look at professional domination as being a good way to make money without having sex. They get a few outfits, read a few books & BAM instant dominatrix. I can tell by looking in their eyes or reading their web site that they haven’t a clue. Still, it’s the responsibly of the client to investigate and do his own research. These women are supported and allowed to stay in business because the package looks good and a large percentage of clients are stupidly drawn to that. I’m not saying that they shouldn’t want someone attractive but that they need to look at the total package.
 

It’s hard to know unless you have lots of real time experience in not only professional domination but have brought BDSM into your personal life. I’m sorry but if I was a client I would not go see a professional who didn’t enjoy BDSM in her own sexual life. The novice client looking to explore has no idea. He goes and if it turns out to be less then what he expected he may not go back or he may try again later.
 

I think that a very good solution is for the professional to offer phone interviews/sessions. Not phone sex, per se but a chance for both professional and client to interact. Charge a small fee and spend some time getting to know each other first. You can deduct part of the fee off the first session, if you like. If the two of you realize that you’re not compatible then you’ve only waste a small amount of time and money. Some people don’t like talking on the phone or talking at all for that matter. I have heard some women say that they don’t want to waste the time. I don’t view it as a waste of time. I enjoy talking with a sub and getting to know him first. Then again I’m very expressive and can easily begin my domination long before I ever lay eyes on him.


I think that your essay is good but very brief. It leaves too many questions opened. I think it would take a large book to really get it down and even then, unless the woman has the art bred into her spirit, no book is going to make her a true Domina.  

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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/6/2006 9:09:23 AM   
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Guess I can get a bit precious about professional domination being more than just taking someone's money and telling them what to do and thought posting my thoughts might make for a nice change than the usual "aren't pro dommes just whores in denial?" type stuff that gets tossed around these parts ;) 

Perhaps living in NZ shelters me a little from experiences overseas and with our population small, there are cities more populated than NZ, the market for professional domination is similarly small and country wide, those offering pro sessions can often be counted on just one hand.  The 'community' here is similarly concerntrated with only a couple of known and collectively respected bdsm resources (email lists, groups, etc) available so a domina's reputation can be enquired about or her name readily offered up when someone enquires where they can find a pro dom as it is more than likely someone has sessioned with them.  I've noticed too offline there doesn't seem to be too much ambiguity in pro doms adverts.  They read differently to those offering kinky sex or fantasy bondage sessions making it easier for those purest who want to serve a domina to readily tell who is what.   

Luckily too there doesn't seem to be too many issues with legalities.  Even before prostitution was legalised here professional domination seemed to be looked upon differently by mr plod.  As long as the dominatrix kept her nose clean and didn't stand on the toes of local parlours and her operation was discreet and respectful of her neighbours and they received no complaints of her maiming clients, she could go quietly about her business unimpeded.  And IRD (our IRS) didn't care/don't care what we do as long as we keep financial records and pay our way.

I think the phone interview is a good idea but not something that I have found it necessary to employ as yet but I have done similar with face to face interviews but it isn't a standard practice.   I do require sessions to be pre-arranged and a 50% deposit paid.  Most are happy to oblige but some baulk at it but soon learn the reality is those are my terms, take it or leave it.  Been burned in the past and have had time and resources wasted.  Besides what does it say about my integrity if I cave because of the promise of a few dollars?  Though I'm a sucker for shoes, I could possibly be swayed by shoes ;)

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The problem with many women who have come onto the scene the last 10 years is that they look at professional domination as being a good way to make money without having sex. They get a few outfits, read a few books & BAM instant dominatrix. I can tell by looking in their eyes or reading their web site that they haven’t a clue. Still, it’s the responsibly of the client to investigate and do his own research.


My now standard response to anti/negative threads on professional domination is the detractor is making the mistake of thinking a woman is a skilled professional pro dom because she says she offers professional sessions.  Ok they are 'pro doms' by virture they are expecting payment in return but I could argue if  I sell someone a goat does that make me a livestock agent?  So yeah bring on the discussions on "what is it with women who think they're a livestock agent if they sell a goat?".  Alas I feel the debate would be pretty onesided as I don't think most of these princesses and prima donnas would know one end of their goat from the other, nor would they care what end it was as long as someone was willing to pay them for it. 

The empitome of this I came across was a girl screeching in a chat room how so and so sub was a fake because he refused to buy her a pair of $500 shoes stating he had the cheek to expect her a domme to prove she was a domme on camera first. ... lol go figure... why the men of today have such a skewed idea of pro domming.

Thanks for your input Dianna :) always appreciate your time and the thoughts your experience brings to a thread.




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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/6/2006 9:25:30 AM   
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I write in a community where two (or more) of the women are past pros. It's been very educational. :)

The link is in my signature here if you're curious to have a look. Right now there is an article from a male porn star who wrote it as a guest column.


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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/6/2006 7:42:53 PM   
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Thank you. I have comments and will come back with coffee tomorrow. 

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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/6/2006 11:12:29 PM   
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I have a few questions to anyone who cares to answer.
 
Are clients always of the male gender, or males maybe wanting
to gender bend?
 
In the world of Pro-Domination have any of you ever ran into women
seeking a session with you?
 
Also are Pro's always female gendered or are there some
cross-dressers/Transexuals who are Pro-Domina's? 
 
Are any of you aware of there being any Pro-Doms that are out there.
 
What kind of personal relationships do you desire and partake in?
Are they along the same lines as what you do professionally or drastically different. Or is there any knowledge of Pro's being Asexual in their personal lives?
Thanks,
 
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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/7/2006 6:51:06 AM   
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Are clients always of the male gender, or males maybe wanting
to gender bend? “   GDV: It could run all across the board. There isn’t one type of client.
 
In the world of Pro-Domination have any of you ever ran into women
seeking a session with you?   GDV: I have had women, mostly lesbian couples & hetro couples book sessions. I had a few gay male clients that would fly from overseas. Although I don’t consider myself a masochist I am highly trained at psychological and physical SM. When couples came to me it was to scene together but more so to learn.
 

Also are Pro's always female gendered or are there some
cross-dressers/Transexuals who are Pro-Domina's?    GDV: There are some transsexual pros.
 
Are any of you aware of there being any Pro-Doms that are out there.   GDV: Huh? I don’t understand this. Do I know any pro’doms? Oh yes, many of them.
 
What kind of personal relationships do you desire and partake in?
Are they along the same lines as what you do professionally or drastically different. Or is there any knowledge of Pro's being Asexual in their personal lives?   GDV: I am no longer a pro per se. I still do phone consultations & training. These are for education and will train some males with the hopes of meeting and experiencing one another. My primary relationships are with women. Still I enjoy having male slaves. I definitely don’t consider myself asexual. Maybe I don’t have sex like vanilla folks but its sexual nonetheless!   Cheers!    
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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/7/2006 8:14:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: brightspot

I have a few questions to anyone who cares to answer.
 
Are clients always of the male gender, or males maybe wanting
to gender bend?
 

Not at all. I have had a majority of male clients, but there are the odd female lurking out there who prefer to buy sessions rather than parttake in a relationship.
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In the world of Pro-Domination have any of you ever ran into women
seeking a session with you? 
 

Yes.
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Also are Pro's always female gendered or are there some
cross-dressers/Transexuals who are Pro-Domina's? 
 

Oh yes! There are some very well known and respected TV/TS mistresses out there. Mistress Payn in Kent, UK, was very famous in her days.
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Are any of you aware of there being any Pro-Doms that are out there.
 

Oh yes! I live together with one!
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What kind of personal relationships do you desire and partake in?
Are they along the same lines as what you do professionally or drastically different. Or is there any knowledge of Pro's being Asexual in their personal lives?

Not as a general rule, no. But I am sure it happens.

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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/7/2006 8:58:14 AM   
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Mistress Jasmyn,
  I could quote the hell out of your post but will write what I feel today.


  There are days that I reminisce about the old days. Even though the political/legal climate was dangerous, the scene in general seemed to be closer knit. I am thankful for the public awareness there is today and many people, around the world have the ability to explore sexual alternatives. It has become saturated & with that is all type of consequences. Freedom opens many doors & everyone has their own agenda. Some agree, some don’t. On one hand it makes the world a wonderful place; Viva La Difference”, yet on the other hand it creates conflict. I personally have learned to accept it as it is; Live and let Live. In my heart I feel that everyone has their journey & that pain is as much a part of growth as joy. The only thing we can really change is our perception.


  Life is multi-dimensional and I believe when the Tao says, “It is but it isn’t”. lol


  Someone asked me the other day why I even bother posting in forums and defend the negative bullshit. After all I HAVE created my own world and I’m a very busy woman. Why bother posting to flames about fem supremacy especially to people who have pigeonholed it into something negative. They will never read, research or take the time to know our life. So why would I spend the last 16 years of my life posting, writing, etc. only to encounter prejudice in my own community?

  I never felt my way was the only way but if there are people who feel what I feel in their heart or people that are curious, then it is my honor to speak up and talk about the life I love. I no longer get upset nor will I get into a bitch match with someone about it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Still, its important for me to speak up and state my purpose in the realm of fem supremacy. There are those people who invest emotional and spiritually and there are others who abuse it making it tough for us all.

  The same for professional domination. There is no doubt that it is a needed service as with any form of service in the sex industry. I don’t care if it’s not legal. Hell many non-pro BDSm’ers have been arrested for illegal activity. Legalities never stopped the worlds oldest profession. I agree with you that ANY professional should offer a good service in exchange for their fee. Yet it is up to the consumer to choose carefully. There are 1000’s of lawyers and they are even licensed but there are also many that rape the public. Selfishness breeds in every aspect of life. We will control or stop this.

  As for phone interviews. I did once meet them face to face. I honestly got tired of getting dressed and meeting no-shows or guys who were probably sitting out I their car whacking off. I had a few guys follow me. I feel safer talking on the phone and both of us getting to know one another. Its an investment and I feel worth it. I probably wouldn’t go back professional today, however if a sub wanted to train under me REALLY to be a good sub and explore his/her submission then I would invest the time for a fee or exchange. I am very selective and careful who I do this with. People can say what they want about how I do this or call me fake because I expect tribute for my time in training. I can’t change this. I know who I am and I also know my time is limited & that I have extensive experience to give someone. If you went to a private instructor or any teacher there is a fee paid. I don’t take anything without a commitment and exchange. I don’t need this to be my income. I do very well as a business woman and with my investments. If a novice wants to take a journey into MY world and learn directly from me then he will enroll/invest. Plain and simple. I’m just not interested in the hourly gig where a sub orders up his fantasy for me to perform.
  I think that each person needs to follow the beat of their own drum. If you come in contact with others of like mind then you connect. If not, keep moving. The world is a very big place & we all fit.

  I’m coming to NZ and I’m going to look you up! I’m also working on a femdom community site and would love to have you come by. I have a mailing list at my personal web site (in forum profile) if you add you’re name I’ll update you.  

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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/7/2006 5:20:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn
NB: Arpig, Realone, MichaelGA, McWhips and others who often post against the practice of professional domination ... unless you all have something constructive to add please refrain from posting your negativity on this thread. Jasmyn, who loves ya, but just can't stand you're obsession with all things pro.


ok so here you go.

its all fantasy, its all paid for, bought and sold.  i for one cannot have all those wonderful feelings unless its real. wish i could, there woudl be a zillion partners for me then but i cant and thats the way life is.

Now if thats negative in your mind to bad so sad but its the truth for me regarless of how you feel i should think about it.

and jasmyn doesnt love me in the least any more than i love jasmyn. 

Its interesting that you bring my name up in a negative sense and request me to be positive about it.

i said a million times i do not give a shit about pro dooms which only goes to show you either did not read my posts or did not understand what you read.


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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/7/2006 7:52:28 PM   
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quote:

Are clients always of the male gender, or males maybe wanting to gender bend?

 
Mostly as 'male' but forced feminisation and cross dressing are common requests.
 
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In the world of Pro-Domination have any of you ever ran into women seeking a session with you?
 

 
Yes.  I was quite taken with the story of the first woman who approached me for a session, a school girl spanking. It was her eldest daughter's 21st birthday and having raised two children on her own she wanted to do something to mark this day as an achievement for her also.  But the milestone, hearing her daughter and friends talk about their futures, a world of opportunity at their feet, she began to ponder the innocence of her own youth and how easy it can be for people to loose sight of themselves as time trudges on.  Realising much of herself (wants/hopes/aspirations) she had put aside to be 'Mum' all these years to her girls.  The thought of squirming on a well spanked bum at the birthday celebration dinner that night appealed on so many levels. 
 
Another was a woman, married but no longer 'in love' (a kind of mutual feeling), exploring BDSM.D/s, her husband kinda interested, kinda not, decided to just go for it and have a session to see if this is actually something she really did want after a documentary appeared on TV about professional domination in NZ.  It was a great session and through the BDSM scene here I see her from time to time.  Marriage now mutually dissolved she has found happiness in a collar to a local man. 
 
A delightful session was with a woman, married whose husband contacted me as his wife had a desire to be dominated by a female.  Her story was one an drop dead hot little vixen (and she was) that no man in her life had ever said no to her, including her husband.  She yearned to be just taken in hand and made to be someone's little bitch.  At a later date we sessioned with her husband involved.

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Also are Pro's always female gendered or are there some cross-dressers/Transexuals who are Pro-Domina's?
 

What others have said. 

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Are any of you aware of there being any Pro-Doms that are out there.


Yes there are.  Use to be able to avail myself of a Mistress/Master ...he preferred to session cross dressed as a 'Mistress' but could be called upon as a 'Master' if I needed him for that particular purpose.

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What kind of personal relationships do you desire and partake in? Are they along the same lines as what you do professionally or drastically different. Or is there any knowledge of Pro's being Asexual in their personal lives?


Have heard from a couple of local pro doms that this isn't something they do in their personal lives, well not so much their personal relationships, but from time to time do involve themselves with a slave who has earned their respect who may or may not be called upon to be there at home servent, chauffeur etc., but never a lover or partner.

For myself, I couldn't turn off been a domina if I tried lol, so yes for me there will always be a power exchange in my relationships.

Thanks for the questions Brightspot :)


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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/7/2006 9:08:52 PM   
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Hi there, I'm an old guy who's been living this 'lifestyle' to various degrees all my life. I'm currently living in a mild D/s marriage and don't play outside the marriage(hence no profile) but I played with many Prodominas from the 60's to the 90's. I was a 'house slave' for a B&D house for a couple of years also which gave me a little insight into the ins and outs of the business.
I've put my life in their hands. That bears repeating, I've trusted them with my life.
I've exposed darker sides of myself to them than i'd revealed to anyone and allowed them to do things to me that i'd never trust in the hands of any but the most seasoned of nonpros or a nurse/doctor.
In my experience the Prodominas were more like shamans or psychotherapists than sexual service faciliators. They would use ritual and pain to guide people thru intense experiences of self expression.
Much respect to Jasmyn and Dianna Vesta and other genuinely kinky women who make a living from using and developing their skills. It's great to be able to read their posts.



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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/7/2006 11:54:15 PM   
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Thank you Jasmyn for the OP and the answers to my questions.
I appreciate getting to know what a Pro-Domme's life is like.
I like to learn about people's experiences and humanity.
I do think Pro-Dommes get unnecessary negative biased vibes here
sometimes, mostly out of ignorance and I, especially from learning more
don't think it's just.
If there wasn't a need for expression or desires it wouldn't exist in the lifestyle.
But there are and it does and I think some people should just get over it.
 
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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/8/2006 12:16:54 AM   
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i feel all Women are Superior

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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/8/2006 1:54:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: brightspot
I do think Pro-Dommes get unnecessary negative biased vibes here
sometimes,
*Brightspot


Yeh but its not only here.  that is why 99.999% of all other web sites either do not allow them or separate them.   Like i said in another post, the greater majority of their clientel are married men and they expect to be honored in society for what they do.   i am not the wife of one of these men who are fucking around behind their backs so i could care less.  It does not mean i cannot empathize with how they view it.


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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta
Someone asked me the other day why I even bother posting in forums and defend the negative bullshit.

Why bother posting to flames about fem supremacy especially to people who have pigeonholed it into something negative.

GDV,

i dont really take issue with anything you said, however when it comes to your term "supremacy" i disagree with the word itself regardless of the prefix.

i read your version of supremacy and that is not the correct definition for it.  Its your version of dominance, even if you call it goddessville, that i will buy,  but as soon as someone puts the label supremacy on it i the majority of others will throw it out as bullshit because nothing in this world is supreme.  Its a state that can only exist in ones mind and impossible in reality to support even on a miniscule level.

So i am not trying to flame ya here, just that when people come out and claim supremacy the first thoughts are you are in fantasy land somewhere because we all know it does not exist except in the mind of the beholder.

many people out here have a negative view of fantasy land dominants and since supremacy by definition is a fantasy how else would you expect them to respond?




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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/8/2006 11:16:32 AM   
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Yeh but its not only here.  that is why 99.999% of all other web sites either do not allow them or separate them.   Like i said in another post, the greater majority of their clientel are married men and they expect to be honored in society for what they do.   i am not the wife of one of these men who are fucking around behind their backs so i could care less.  It does not mean i cannot empathize with how they view it.


That's just bullshit Realone. Seriously.


quote:

i dont really take issue with anything you said, however when it comes to your term "supremacy" i disagree with the word itself regardless of the prefix.

i read your version of supremacy and that is not the correct definition for it.  Its your version of dominance, even if you call it goddessville, that i will buy,  but as soon as someone puts the label supremacy on it i the majority of others will throw it out as bullshit because nothing in this world is supreme.  Its a state that can only exist in ones mind and impossible in reality to support even on a miniscule level.

So i am not trying to flame ya here, just that when people come out and claim supremacy the first thoughts are you are in fantasy land somewhere because we all know it does not exist except in the mind of the beholder.


If you're so anti-pro then why in the hell did you even come in here? Why? Because I honestly don't think you have anything better to do. You're dribblings are complete nonsense and your post ring of a scorned fantasy seeker. You have no idea what fem supremacy is AND I'll be damned if I will entertain ignorance and single mindlessness.
  So have at it. I believe it was your sole intention to come in and screw up what is a constructive thread. The moderators of this forum should ban you from posting.  


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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/8/2006 11:59:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Yeh but its not only here.  that is why 99.999% of all other web sites either do not allow them or separate them.   Like i said in another post, the greater majority of their clientel are married men and they expect to be honored in society for what they do.   i am not the wife of one of these men who are fucking around behind their backs so i could care less.  It does not mean i cannot empathize with how they view it.


That's just bullshit Realone. Seriously.


quote:

i dont really take issue with anything you said, however when it comes to your term "supremacy" i disagree with the word itself regardless of the prefix.

i read your version of supremacy and that is not the correct definition for it.  Its your version of dominance, even if you call it goddessville, that i will buy,  but as soon as someone puts the label supremacy on it i the majority of others will throw it out as bullshit because nothing in this world is supreme.  Its a state that can only exist in ones mind and impossible in reality to support even on a miniscule level.

So i am not trying to flame ya here, just that when people come out and claim supremacy the first thoughts are you are in fantasy land somewhere because we all know it does not exist except in the mind of the beholder.


If you're so anti-pro then why in the hell did you even come in here? Why? Because I honestly don't think you have anything better to do. You're dribblings are complete nonsense and your post ring of a scorned fantasy seeker. You have no idea what fem supremacy is AND I'll be damned if I will entertain ignorance and single mindlessness.
  So have at it. I believe it was your sole intention to come in and screw up what is a constructive thread. The moderators of this forum should ban you from posting.  



Well you have your right to your opinion.   i have a right to mine, and everyone else has a right to theirs.   if part of your version of female supremacy is censorship of people who do not clone themselves with your views then i suppose that is exactly what the mods should do.  may as well get rid of the forum entirely then. 

fyi, i have been in this lifestyle considerably longer than you have.  i did lifestyle tours with 3 pro dommes so you can say what you want about fantasy and bullshit.   i heard it all.  i know the drill.  :)   That and as far as your supremacy is concerned, hey great for you if supremacy = gdv's personal slant on domination, change and twist it till it becomes fruit loops for all i care. 

i posted that with hope there would be a greater understanding between opposing fronts not start a flame war and the only thing ruining this thread as far as i am concerned is the negativity and desire to censor others view points by yourself and starting with the OP. 

So how many times do i have to say that pros exist because there is a demand for them, and i could give a shit less. 



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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/8/2006 5:01:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: brightspot
I do think Pro-Dommes get unnecessary negative biased vibes here
sometimes,
*Brightspot


Yeh but its not only here.  that is why 99.999% of all other web sites either do not allow them or separate them.   Like i said in another post, the greater majority of their clientel are married men and they expect to be honored in society for what they do.   i am not the wife of one of these men who are fucking around behind their backs so i could care less.  It does not mean i cannot empathize with how they view it.

It is my opinion that if men are cheaters they are going to cheat whether it is with a Pro-Domme, prostitute on the corner, someone they meet at work or a bar, even the next door neighbor, maybe even going as far as rape to fullfill their fantasy that can't even be discussed with wife that will do nothing but the missionary possition and is not open to discussing their sexual relationship. I do not condone cheating at all. It is something different if both parties agree to a sexually open relationship.
What I don't think it is right is to blame and want to shun Pro-Dommes for the service they provide for the faults of a husband who is cheating on his wife.
Sheesh!
 
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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/8/2006 10:00:18 PM   
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It is my opinion that if men are cheaters they are going to cheat whether it is with a Pro-Domme, prostitute on the corner
What I don't think it is right is to blame and want to shun Pro-Dommes for the service they provide for the faults of a husband who is cheating on his wife.
Sheesh!
 
*Brightspot 


It takes 2 for one to cheat.  when i go out with someone for any reason i ask if they are married and make sure i can call anytime etc.   why? because i do not want any part in being a home breaker.  Obviously the greater part of the blame falls on the one who is married.   of course those providing services for the cheater want impunity from being part of the cycle.  and of course the only ones that see it that way are the "rest" of the world.  (liberal bdsm'rs not with standing).


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RE: Professional Domination 101 - your thoughts please. - 4/9/2006 8:27:04 AM   
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quote:

Like i said in another post, the greater majority of their clientel are married men and they expect to be honored in society for what they do.   i am not the wife of one of these men who are fucking around behind their backs so i could care less.


Thank you Realone for proving that professional domination can be greatly misunderstood by just not mainstream society but professed BDSM practictioners as well.   Actually, on thinking more about this phenomenon, mainstream society seems to readily accept that professional domination isn't as you see it.  I am entirely out, so anyone who meets me soon learns of what it is I do and once having it explained are quite taken by the concept of dominating someone and why someone would want to come and see someone like me.  The generalisation that skilled pro dominas are hookers with whips seems by and large to come mostly from within the BDSM scene.  So thanks once again for your thoughts as it just cements my resolve to educate the masses as too what it is I and others actually do.  If there was a bowing emoticon I'd use it about now.


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