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xXsoumisXx -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 5:27:28 AM)

~fr

Becauae we all know that overweight children eat very healthy meals at home. It's just McDonalds and school lunches that make them obese!




barelynangel -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 5:32:38 AM)

LA -- the problem is much deeper than toys in happy meals. Its the junk processed fast food they buy at the grocery stores and shove at the kids at home, because they don't want to cook meals of the kids have fits because they want chicken nuggets even at home instead of chicken and veggies. etc Sorry but focusing on that as the "issue" instead of videogames, kids spending hours on computers, hell even their schools go against healthy food and exercise as most schools lunches are NOT healthy friendly though they follow "guidelines" so to speak, most schools are removing PE daily from class schedules, many schools have cut a lot of after school sports, parents use television and computers as babysitters, and parks in towns have it seems many places become deserted.

This is about EDUCATION, communication -- its not about toys in happy meals. McD's has made changes in their happy meals wherein they allow kids/parents to decide if the want apple slices instead of fries and milk and such instead of pop, i think a couple places even have yogurt. So its NOT the toy that causes the obesity as they can still have the toy and get healthy options.

This is ridiculous -- next the McD parks will have to go because they are a HUGE and visual advertisement for kids also. The obesity problem starts AT HOME with the parents, NOT the stores or restaurants. Perhaps the government should take away all the video games kids spend HOURS playing on. They should take away computer games and the ability for kids to play internet games or socialize on the internet cause well gee they may actually have to go outside and play.

You speak of universal health care -- sorry but that is a very cop out answer and one i think MANY people were concerned would start being an excuse for the government making stupid laws like this one to control people. They need to put money into education and training NOT taking away things from the WHOLE of a community that may transfer to all in the future but also taking away revenue from restaurants or stores. this is a VERY BAD precedent to set in my opinion -- people should not accept it. If they start with toys in happy meals what's next -- is what you need to ask. Especially if they start using universal health care as an excuse. There are many kids who aren't obese whose parents do "feed them right" so these kids should not get their happy meal with a toy because others decide to make bad choices? I disagree. What's next the universal health care is going to start giving out cards that you have to show to restaurants and such stating what they can and can't sell you because the government decides you are too fat, too unhealthy, not abiding by what they want?

angel




TNstepsout -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 5:39:44 AM)

O brother.  This is like the push to ban trench coats after the Columbine shooting.

When my kids were little McDonalds was an inexpensive treat we gave them from time to time. I could take them there, feed all of us for a little over $10, let them play and we all had a cheap good time.  Sometimes they even played with the toys for an extra ten minutes when we got home before tossing them into the toybox.  

There are many reasons for the epidemic of obesity, from the lack of good education regarding the causes of it, to the lack of safe places for kids to play actively, to the increase in two parent working households, to the abundance of parents spoiling kids with things instead of time or attention, to the super crappy food that is now served in schools!  But I have a hard time believing, really seriously believing, that taking the toys out of the happy meals is going to have any impact on the scales whatsoever. 

How the hell do they even study this?  Follow a group of kids for ten years and then publish a study that the kids with no toys in their Happy Meals were x% less heavy than their toy wielding counter-parts?  What a ridiculous waste of a legislators time. 




domiguy -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 5:55:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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This cycle has to stop. Reward needs to come another way.


We rewarded our kids with camping trips, movies and trips to Henry Ford not fast food and chocolate. Oh and we didn't need big brother to tell us that was the better way. It's just a shame so many parents can't do this on their own. I really feel sorry for their kids.



So stupid. Sorry. Can't stand shit like this.

What is your typewriter thingy hooked up to? An abacus?

When you went camping did you cook your own food? How often do you do that today, from scratch?

What in the fuck is a trip to Henry Ford, anyways? Sounds like a drag.

But, our kids are fat. They are supposedly the first generation that will not out live their parents.

When you were going to Henry Ford were you rewarded to eat by receiving a replica of ol' Hank? I think not. Why do kids love McDonalds? They get fat filled, shitty food. What's not to like? Parents get to feed their kids without breaking a sweat. You would never hand your kid a cigarette to keep them quiet.


Another battle that is raging is forcing our food producers to list the caloric intake of their food. Who would object to letting the public know exactly what it is that they are eating.? People (conservatives)are battling it....Anything that is proposed today by one side is going to be opposed by the other. it's amazing. I wonder if you have not been swept up into the fray due to your political affiliations which you have proven to be on the conservative side of things? Hmmmmmm.

If I didn't make the food I want to know what in the fuck is in it.

We should never reward our kids for eating shit.

You never had this happen when you were camping or when you were visiting Mr. Ford.




lally2 -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 6:12:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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I'm still not sure why the parents can't just control their own kids.


Because apparently, they can't. Did you see the stats on childhood obesity in the US? I'm not sure if they've declared it one yet, but it qualifies as a pandemic. When you have a pandemic, you need to take drastic measures.

- LA



being a mum of a 14 year old boy who can pig out on crap all day long if i let him, sit infront of his xbox 360 and do sweet FA one day after another, can get seriously stroppy (hormones) its a tough job.  but i do it.  i think to myself.  id rather have this row now than watch my kid get fatter and fatter and more and more miserable, risk diabetes and later health issues.  id rather he thought i was a bitch than let him get obese and incapable of enjoying his beautiful youth.  but you know, in truth, he's grateful that i make the stand i do on this stuff.  we dont have a single morsel of crappola food in our home.  i just dont buy it.  if he gets lazy infront of his exbox i cut out all starchy food and feed him nothing but salad and chicken or lean ham.  in the end he knows that if he gets off his arse he'll get a nice big roast, its down to him.  its not that difficult to do.

i honestly dont understand why parents are so gutless about this.

i rang around his friends mums a week or so ago and said, 'we've got the summer hear, lets have an embargo on the exbox until 6pm' - great they all said, brilliant, - two days later they'd caved and their kids were back on the xbox straight after school and tom had no mates to kick a ball with.

its not responsible, loving parenting, its opting out and to rely on the Big Brother machine to do our job for us is pathetic




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 9:39:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

.... If they start with toys in happy meals what's next -- is what you need to ask......angel


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Edgar Friendly: You see, according to Cocteau's plan, I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy who likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-o all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".


I know, kind of a silly reference, but sometimes I wonder "what IS next?" At what point does abdicating personal responsibility and accountability end in "we the people" being governed in all aspects of our lives - in the guise to "protect us from ourselves?" I find it rather disturbing that we have come to a point where we actually applaud governmental control over so many areas of our lives.

I just don't see this as a positive situation.




reynardfox -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 12:25:17 PM)

I love Mcdonalds. I like everything on the menu, except the big tasty, which just tastes of salt, but who the hell decided that a milk shake was made of ice cream? I recall pre mcdonalds milkshakes were made of real milk in a steel jug and tasted wonderful. Now I have to go a very long way for this fondly remembered pleasure.
Now you've gone and set me off and I'm off to the drive thru, - bugger!




thishereboi -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 1:14:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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It sounds like unnecessary government interference.


Des, if there wasn't a pandemic of obesity in the US, I would be in agreement with you. But there is a pandemic of obesity in the US and therefore drastic situations require drastic measures.

For the same reasons that there are more and more tobacco bans and that the FDA bans certain ingredients from their lists, this is for the greater good of society.

Now I find myself erking when I type this because I'm usually all about personal choice and pushing individuals to make wise choices. But in this rare case, I'm all for the measures taken. Your country is working towards universal healthcare but the system will not be able to withstand the strain on it with the increasing demands of insulin and other medication for high blood pressure and heart disease.

- LA




Well in that case, maybe they better make fast food illegal and be done with it. Obviously americans are too stupid to make proper food choices. In fact, an even better idea. The government can form a panel to plan our meals. Then once a month they can publish a calender telling what to eat for every meal. Then the parents don't have to tell their kids squat. Yea, that should work. They could even send out exercise programs and start fining people who don't clock in their daily quota of miles a day. More money is always good and with all the parenting they are going to have to do for us, they are going to need every penny.






stella41b -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 1:26:37 PM)

I think this is brilliant.

Back in the 1990's I witnessed the rise and fall of MacDonalds in the Polish city of Poznan, seeing MacDonalds go from having one restaurant in the city to forty two restaurants and drive ins and then back down to half a dozen.

The local authorities didn't ban MacDonalds from doing anything. What they did was to provide additional funding to the Polish alternative - milk bars which were being closed down in other cities.

A milk bar is the Eastern European standard fast food establishment operating on the old two or three queue tradition. You walk into a milk bar and join the queue to pay for your food - which is a wide menu of traditional home-cooked food, pierogi, dumplings, pancakes, bigos, soups, cutlets, boiled vegetables, etc.

In a milk bar you can get a decent traditionally cooked meal for a couple of dollars, and in some cases, for not much more than a dollar. You join the queue, order your food, pay, take your receipt to the serving hatch, and you get your food.

No advertising, no gimmicks, you get the same sort of food you can cook yourself at home and it's cheap, fast and solid food.

I guess this wouldn't work in our oh so modern consumerist societies where we need a brand name to even be able to eat out or have coffee, whether it be Subway, MacDonalds, Burger King, KFC, Pret A Manger, Dunkin Donuts, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, etc.

This is just as much part of our society and culture as blaming certain members of society for the resulting social problems and issues which have come as a result, whether it be parents, teenagers, etc.

Children don't just listen to their parents (in fact some don't) but in fact learn from the attitudes and behaviour modelled by adults, irrespective of whether they are their parents or not.

This wasn't so much of a problem when we had a sense of shared responsibility and saw ourselves as being part of communities. But now we don't have those communities, much less sense of shared responsibilities and as a result the chickens are coming home to roost.

This goes beyond issues such as obesity and irresponsible parenting. Those cheap plastic toys and gimmicks are imported from China and other places where labour is cheap. Kind of funny that so many people are buying this crap in the first place and then they turn round and complain about how bad the economy is.

I'm sorry but at times I find this comical.




subfever -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 1:37:59 PM)

FR

For an interesting perspective, one might want to watch Killer at Large: Why Obesity is America's Greatest Threat.

McDonald's aims much of their advertising and marketing towards very young and impressionable minds. It's an indoctrination. The end result of all this becomes obvious to anyone willing to look.

There's been a shadowy revolving door of Food CEOs/honchos, and the government that allegedly looks out for the people's best interests. The government's position has been "eat less and exercise more" while supporting the agendas of the food industry.

What a lovely system the majority support... [8|]




DesFIP -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 2:19:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

LA -- the problem is much deeper than toys in happy meals. Its the junk processed fast food they buy at the grocery stores and shove at the kids at home, because they don't want to cook meals of the kids have fits because they want chicken nuggets even at home instead of chicken and veggies. etc


Not at all because the poorer sections of the city have no grocery stores. Nor that vegetables and organic foods are expensive and these parents are choosing between feeding their kids healthy foods or paying the rent.

No of course there is no hunger in this country.




DarlingSavage -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 2:35:48 PM)

FR

Now if we could just get rid of the rest of that god forsaken establishment!




domiguy -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 2:54:13 PM)

The Right Amount of Calories

* 1,500 calories per day for women who want to lose weight
* 1,800 calories per day for women maintaining their weight
* 1,800 calories per day for smaller stature men who want to lose weight
* 2,000 calories per day for smaller men maintaining their weight
* 2,200 calories per day recommended for men who want to lose weight

Now lets go eat a MceeDee's....How about we start with breakfast.

I'll have two of those cute little sausage burrito...what the fuck they are only a buck and they are pretty damn tasty.

Each sausage burrito is 290 calories, 144 is from fat. 580 calories down the chute in nothing flat.

What if I opt for the Spanish Omelette Bagel in lieu of the two cute little burritos?

Spanish omelette bagel...710 calories...

Maybe one hashbrown to nibble on down the road....Tack on an additional 130 meaningless calories of which 72 are all yummy fat!!

What should wash down my meal with as I drive to work....Maybe I should have a piping hot coffee drink from the McCafe?

I'm a coffee guy, but there are lots of women that would enjoy a lovely medium frappe mocha and every one of the 560 calories that are heading straight towards their huge ass.


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So get your fat kid a happy meal....

Cheeseburger.....300 calories

small fry............230 calories.

What you going to wash it down with?


A small orange soda 160 more calories.......690 calories later and virtually nothing but fat and sugar consumed, hardly any vitamins.

What makes this any kind of an alternative for our kids?




lally2 -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 3:08:19 PM)

its not just in america tho guys.  i was sitting in my car waiting for my mum to finish ordering a pair of specs.  i watched the people going by and almost all of them were, if not yet obese extremely close, and some were obese, no question.  this is a small town and it really surprised me, i just hadnt noticed how fat everyone is getting.

i watched a programme on the eating habits of some american guys.  seems to me it isnt just macdonalds working against you.  food outlets making it so cheap to eat and eat and eat.  huge portions and an eat all you can for $10 policy.  there was one guy who had been banned from most of them in his locality because he was close to eating them out of business.

the question really is - why? - why do people need to eat like that.

a guy i know went on a cruise. there the food is included in the price. he told me that there were people whod go round the boat having breakfast over and over again in different dining rooms, lunch the same, supper the same - because they wanted to get their monies worth - ???? - dont they ever think about their heart, arteries, blood pressure.

programme on the fattest man in england - he's about 50 stone - he can sit and drink 40 pints of beer and not get pissed - his grocery bill is enormous, he doesnt work, he cant, so who the hell is paying for his 40 pints and huge grocery bill. - we are))

on msn recently there was a featured story about a woman who eat 33,000 calories a day - callobrate that domi - 




LadyAngelika -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 4:28:51 PM)

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LA -- the problem is much deeper than toys in happy meals

[...]

This is about EDUCATION, communication -- its not about toys in happy meals.


Indeed, I alluded to that that in my earlier posts. This is one part of a larger solution. It's a start.

- LA




LadyAngelika -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 4:30:20 PM)

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Well in that case, maybe they better make fast food illegal and be done with it.


I'd be for that, 100%. I've never actually eaten at a McDonald's. Once I was in one with a friend and the smell alone made me gag.

- LA




LadyAngelika -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 4:36:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: stella41b

I think this is brilliant.

Back in the 1990's I witnessed the rise and fall of MacDonalds in the Polish city of Poznan, seeing MacDonalds go from having one restaurant in the city to forty two restaurants and drive ins and then back down to half a dozen.

The local authorities didn't ban MacDonalds from doing anything. What they did was to provide additional funding to the Polish alternative - milk bars which were being closed down in other cities.

A milk bar is the Eastern European standard fast food establishment operating on the old two or three queue tradition. You walk into a milk bar and join the queue to pay for your food - which is a wide menu of traditional home-cooked food, pierogi, dumplings, pancakes, bigos, soups, cutlets, boiled vegetables, etc.

In a milk bar you can get a decent traditionally cooked meal for a couple of dollars, and in some cases, for not much more than a dollar. You join the queue, order your food, pay, take your receipt to the serving hatch, and you get your food.

No advertising, no gimmicks, you get the same sort of food you can cook yourself at home and it's cheap, fast and solid food.

I guess this wouldn't work in our oh so modern consumerist societies where we need a brand name to even be able to eat out or have coffee, whether it be Subway, MacDonalds, Burger King, KFC, Pret A Manger, Dunkin Donuts, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, etc.

This is just as much part of our society and culture as blaming certain members of society for the resulting social problems and issues which have come as a result, whether it be parents, teenagers, etc.

Children don't just listen to their parents (in fact some don't) but in fact learn from the attitudes and behaviour modelled by adults, irrespective of whether they are their parents or not.

This wasn't so much of a problem when we had a sense of shared responsibility and saw ourselves as being part of communities. But now we don't have those communities, much less sense of shared responsibilities and as a result the chickens are coming home to roost.

This goes beyond issues such as obesity and irresponsible parenting. Those cheap plastic toys and gimmicks are imported from China and other places where labour is cheap. Kind of funny that so many people are buying this crap in the first place and then they turn round and complain about how bad the economy is.

I'm sorry but at times I find this comical.


stella, there are a few McDonalds franchises that have gone under in Montreal. I can think of 3 and they were in some of the busiest areas of town.

Every time I see one go down, I smile. What we have seen spring up all over town are salad bars where they build you the salad you want. There are about 3 franchises that have sprung up in the last 3-4 years and they are busy. Also, we have a lot of healthy restaurants. I don't want to be a hypocrite, we also have a lot of junk, I mean, we are the home of the poutine.

You also bring an absolutely important part about the larger picture here of the cheap toy. I'd also add that these toys that are more than likely not quality toys will be tossed away in less than a year, adding the growing global waste dump.

- LA





thishereboi -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 4:37:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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Well in that case, maybe they better make fast food illegal and be done with it.


I'd be for that, 100%. I've never actually eaten at a McDonald's. Once I was in one with a friend and the smell alone made me gag.

- LA



Yea, but I thought about it and that wouldn't be fair to the skinny people who like to go to McD's. It also wouldn't address the fatties who don't go there. Not to mention the 1,000's of people who would be put out of work when all the fast food places closed down.

So new idea. We are getting universal health care, so everyone can go to a doctor now.

So the doctor weighs you. If you are over weight, you can pay a fat tax or you can sign up for a weight loss program. If you show that you are losing weight, you don't get taxed. But if you don't lose weight, then you get taxed per pound. Of course those who are obese due to medical issues would be exempt from the tax and it would be up to the doctor to determine that. Parents would be responsible for their children. Might be a little more incentive to say no, next time little Johnny wants some french fries.




thishereboi -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 4:39:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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Well in that case, maybe they better make fast food illegal and be done with it.


I'd be for that, 100%. I've never actually eaten at a McDonald's. Once I was in one with a friend and the smell alone made me gag.

- LA



Someone once told me the Canadian McD's sucked, but I thought it was just him. Maybe he was right.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 4:41:02 PM)

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the question really is - why? - why do people need to eat like that.


This is pretty consistent with what I've read on the topic: Top 10 Triggers for Over-eating

- LA




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