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LadyAngelika -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 6:07:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy
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ORIGINAL: barelynangel
Actually, my dad was at the opening of the very first McDonalds which was in Arlington Heights, Illinois where he grew up and i have actually been to the first one. Its an Icon of the US, its a shame people are blaming it instead of choices of individuals for the issues people are causing themselves.

angel


Here is the deal...Many people are unaware of the decisions that they are actually making. I have actually consumed a spanish omelette bagel at McDonalds. I am a pretty damn sharp cookie, I had no idea that the fucker is crammed full of 700+ calories.

how many people are truly aware of what they are consuming? Food producers are fighting the gov't because they don't want to have to make available the calories as well as the nutrients available in their product?....Why?

If you are going to make a decision let it be an educated one. The product is faulty. Don't let it compromise the health and the mental make up of our children. Why do kids get so excited about McDonalds?

We fuel the fire.


Again, I agree. I remember freaking out my ex when we would go grocery shopping because I read every single label before putting it in my cart. At first he rolled his eyes but when I started showing him stuff, he became completely interested, even though he had probably ~2% body fat. He was just in awe of how food could be labelled light and be so full of sugar or be sugar free but be so full of chemicals.

We need to get the food guide out again.
[image]http://www.odec.ca/projects/2004/thog4n0/public_html/foodguidebarbig.gif[/image]


- LA



domiguy -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 6:10:30 PM)

And people wonder why they get fat.

It's about convenience. It's about being duped. it's about corn syrup and making our food as cheap as our clothes. Sweat shops filled with little brown people become chicken pens stacked up on top of one another and fat induced foods.

It is so little about choices...because you have so few.



LadyAngelika -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 6:12:47 PM)

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And people wonder why they get fat.

It's about convenience.


Actually, that only accounts for a portion of the population as I explained here though it does little to help those with eating disorders.

- LA



lally2 -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 6:20:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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im sorry - i think i came across as a bit insensitive there.  i have heard of food being a drug for some people and had forgotten that. 


I didn't find you came across as insensitive. I though it was a legitimate question. There is demystification to do and I don't mind doing it. I've struggled with this and I help others who struggle with it. One of the worst things about being overweight is the giant elephant in the room (pardon the bad pun) that no one wants to address as to not come across as being insensitive but that everyone whispers about behind their backs about how awful it is. Except for a few jerks who mock them and think that this will help them make a break through.
 
im glad i didnt, it certainly wasnt my intention anyway.  it occurs to me that as people get bigger the bar gets lowered in terms of health.  when people see people larger than themselves they take comfort from that and put the diet off for another day.  quantities of the wrong food is seen piled up in supermarket trollies and people can think that at least theyve got some apples and some low fat yoghurt in theirs, which counters the chocolate cake and biscuits theyve bought.
 
but what i have noticed when i go to tescos (supermarket here) are the trollies pushed by overweight people full of burgers, chips and crap - that isnt a disorder, thats just lazy eating and i suspect lazy eating habits perpetuated by being brought up to eat lazy food.  but its not just that its all the crap in the crap they eat - but thats another topic again.
 
when i think about it like that i realise that education is important.  its all very well for the converted to say 'i eat well' its the unconverted that need to be educated to cook from fresh ingredients to cut out all of the hidden fat, sugare, wheat and other shite that goes into convenience food.


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i struggle a bit too but only because im unlucky with a slow metabolism, exercise helps that and i hate people who can eat cheesecake all day and not put on an ouce, i think personally they should be shot on sight - but then again, we probably need theyre genes in the genepool.


There are ways to boost your metabolism as well, some with enzymes and some with just doing aerobic exercise that does. When I am able to do my max exercise wise, I can eat eggs benny and still lose weight.
 
its amazing how a trip to the gym regularly makes a difference and when i slip and stop going the podge creeps back.


Also, remember, everyone has their battles. I always figured a lot of things came really, really easy for me. I have to have some challenges in life!

this is true - .good way to look at it.
- LA




stella41b -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 6:57:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lally2

the question really is - why? - why do people need to eat like that.



You know we can discuss how it's the fault of individual people and groups of people till the cows come home but I also believe that the reasons go beyond people and have become part of commonly accepted social and cultural values.

It's exactly the same with drinking. You could ask why do people need to drink like that?

I mean, you go somewhere like Bombay, Calcutta or Islamabad on a Friday or Saturday at closing time you don't see thousands of pissed Pakistanis staggering through the streets vomiting up fish and chips and pork pies do you?

Excess is socially and culturally acceptable throughout the West.

I mean go through any town centre on a Friday or Saturday night you could be forgiven for thinking that Alcoholics Anonymous is an organization for people who prefer supermarket own brand spirits and drinks.

Have you ever seen some of the obscure labels supermarket chains think up for their own label of drinks like whisky and vodka?

Lord Turpentine, The Laird's Creosote, Gerrimoff vodka, Hard Sailor's Rum, etc.

Or even 'white' cider or beer? White Ace? Shitfaced 8%? Premium Dutch Headbangers' Lager, Coalminer's Extra Strong Bitter, Glaswegian Export.

Take any major holiday, Christmas, Easter, (or even Thanksgiving), and what is the focus of that holiday? People getting together around food, stuffing themselves with all sorts of food and then getting pissed up on alcohol.;

Walk into any supermarket from October and it starts with a few stray jars of mincemeat, dried fruit and by the end of November you have the whole caboodle - the turkey, the veggies, the potatoes, the mince pies, the Christmas cake, the Yule logs, the crisps, nuts, nibbles, snacks, Christmas pudding, selection boxes, chocolate, sweets and so on and so forth.

People get themselves into serious debt, for what? To buy all the food, alcohol, presents, etc. Many of them are people who would barely fill one supermarket trolley on a regular weekly shop but come December they pile all sorts of crap into that trolley, or trolleys and even have trouble pushing them out to the car park.

I've worked with homeless charities at day centres and night shelters and have organized food banks and handouts. Sandwich bars, caterers and bakeries were among the favourite people to deal with, the worst and the meanest are the large supermarket chains which every day throw out literally tons of food, a lot of it really healthy nutritious food which could actually feed a lot of poor people. And it makes you wonder if they're throwing out so much healthy, nutritious food then why don't they sell it much cheaper so that it doesn't get thrown out?

Like it or not excessive eating and drinking are part of our culture and society and we can blame fat people all we like, we can blame irresponsible parents all we like, but I feel that we all share at least some of the responsibility in accepting a culture and society which encourages excessive food and alcohol consumption, so much food wastage, not to mention all the money spent in dealing with problems caused by excessive eating and drinking. 






heartcream -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 7:47:23 PM)

I havent eaten at happy meal heaven in so so so long.

I despise it. I loathe so much about it.

God bless Jamie Oliver, I saw him doing a thing with a group of kids where he showed them what went into chicken nuggets. All the slop nshit and into the food processor...

He said hands down when he asks the group of kids he shows this to if they would stull eat chicken nuggets they all put their hands up.

I think getting educated about food is a really good deterrent to eating crap. The more and more I learn about how corn syrup clogs our arteries and and how Monsanto is killing us by killing our food and all the shit they do to meat, I swear my diet has become minimalist compared to what I used to eat.

Carbs give you belly fat so good to really cut those down. I eat as much organic as possible. There is a list of the terrible 12 or something like that which tells you what to basically never eat unless it is organic. Stay away from food from SA, they dont have the legislation for how much poison to use. They are still using pcp's.

There is so much more crap to consider.

Sure I will go to a restaurant and eat whatever I want but I am not buying that crap and bringing it into my house unless it is something special.

I eat really well and my food tastes incredible. I cook for myself pretty much all the time and I think of sharing my food with someone and how much they would like it. Filling, tasty, healthy and non-fattening. Sure I have my things that I ought to still cut out but the more I am educated the less I want it. I walk into the bakery section and I see transfats, disgusting undigestible lard and oils that are really not fit for human consumption and I am not tempted, I am repulsed for the most part. I bake sometimes and use fresh organic where I can but there is no severe shit in it like if I bought it already made.

Diet coke, maraschino cherries formaldehyde. Being aware makes it all look less tasty.

Doritos taste good.

The local organic movement is growing stronger, it will become easier and easier to eat out and not feel like the food is bs.



thishereboi -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 8:04:34 PM)

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Now if you would have invited me out for sushi, I would have let you eat it off my body... Damn! You still have a lot to learn about romancing a Canadian Domme ;-)

- LA


Come to Detroit, I will take you to the best sushi place in the area. [:)]



LadyAngelika -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 8:10:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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Now if you would have invited me out for sushi, I would have let you eat it off my body... Damn! You still have a lot to learn about romancing a Canadian Domme ;-)

- LA


Come to Detroit, I will take you to the best sushi place in the area. [:)]



As long as they didn't get the fish from the Detroit river, you're on ;-)

- LA



thishereboi -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 8:23:36 PM)

LMAO  No worries, it's been approved by the Japanese at the Nissan R&D[:)]



LadyAngelika -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 8:25:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

LMAO  No worries, it's been approved by the Japanese at the Nissan R&D[:)]


Has it passed Iron Chef Masaharu Morimoto's tests? ;-)

- LA



WyldHrt -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 9:11:26 PM)

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Here is the deal...Many people are unaware of the ramifications to the decisions that they are actually making. I have actually consumed a spanish omelette bagel at McDonalds. I am a pretty damn sharp cookie, I had no idea that the fucker is crammed full of 700+ calories.

Many people need to learn to read, apparently. The calories and all other nutritional information are pasted up on the wall at most McDonalds (and other fast food places), are on the back of the tray liners, and available online. Is the kid that takes your order supposed to say "That will be 1021 calories" instead of "That will be $7.50" because people are too lazy to look this shit up for themselves?
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how many people are truly aware of what they are consuming? Food producers are fighting the gov't because they don't want to have to make available the calories as well as the nutrients available in their product?....Why?

Most if not all packaged food (excluding fresh produce and meat) has this information on the label.
That said, in the case of restaurants, the reason is fairly obvious. Providing incorrect calorie/nutrition data could get them fined or shut down.... and how is the chef supposed to make sure that every meal is equal in calorie content? Add an extra tablespoon or two of alfredo sauce to that pasta and the dutifully provided calorie count will be hosed. An extra few fries next to that steak (which might be 2 ounces too big), you're screwed. I suspect that most restaurant patrons would be fairly pissed off if their meal arrived cold because the chef was weighing and trimming the steak, counting the strands of pasta, and measuring the exact amount of sauce used for their meal. Said patrons would probably be equally pissed if the menu's calorie/ nutrition info gave solid numbers and then said "This meal is plus or minus 200 calories and 20g fat, depending on the size of your steak or how full the ladle for your sauce is".
Yup, it really is shocking that restaurants aren't jumping all over themselves to give specific nutrition information! [8|]

The funny part is that the most accurate nutrition info available is for fast food, because the assembly line/ mass production approach makes their "product" one hell of a lot more standardized than what comes out of the kitchen at a real restaurant.




Termyn8or -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/29/2010 10:15:00 PM)

FR

This is all wrong.

People think they need to eat  100% alphalpha sprouts, 33% legimes and 44% soda.

People eat 77% carbs, 64% sugar, 88% grease and 2% meat and veggies.

Some eat both. So 231% plus 177% are 408%.

That should provide a satifactory explanation for those who do not understand the cause of the ridiculous rate of obesity. Some do have other problems causing it for sure.

When you boil it all down, people who want to sell food want to make you want to eat. Not much different than giving away salty pretzels in a crowded bar. Beer sales. This is no more, no less.

Let me ask this to the whole group here just for sake of being me. How many foods do you say you love vs how many people do you say you love ?

T



NeedToUseYou -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 2:31:25 AM)

Well, if we are going on a protect the kids spree. The list shouldn't start with mcdonalds.

Here's some suggested areas that need laws to help make decisions for peoples kids.
1. Video Games. (These need biometric scanners and retinal scans to limit playing to an hour a day
2. Telephones. (These will also need biometric scanners and retinal scanners to prevent kids from gabbing away instead of running around to find their friends the old fashioned calorie burning way)
3. Most Sweetened drinks. (Either we ban all these or again require all these machines to have biometric scanners).
4. TV.  (Again, all tvs will have to have a way to know how is watching it, and to prevent kids from watching trash all day, so more scanners)
5. Radio. (Again, all music devices will be required to have thumb reader and or retinal scanners to prevent kids from listening to music in there bed rooms, as they should be out playing kick ball)
6. Fast Food. (Either ban them all, or going to have to go the scanner route again, in order to track each persons food consumption, since we've determined parents don't have that right)
7. Most of the food in the grocery stores. (The bulk of food in the grocery store is as bad as mcdonalds, so we'll have to monitor purchases there as well, so the kid does not have bad food available in the house.)
8. Ban Candy. (Candy has little to negative nutritional value, thus all candy will be banned, and if any is made available it will require a ticket that will allow for retrieval at a pharmacy location)
9. Computers (Again Going to have to monitor everyones usage as, sitting at a computer promotes ill health, I'd say if a non-adult logs in they should be limited to an encyclopedia website, pbs, and their local school, that will get them off the thing).

I think if we do that, we might be able to relieve parents of their responsibility to feed their kids well. But then again, we may have to ban most books to, as you don't burn many calories reading comic books.




or we could just
Kill stupid lazy parents.



Level -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 4:01:00 AM)

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LA:

Why not tell people that they should just have a beer?


I wish they'd put beer in the Happy Meals.

Fuck the meddling government, and fuck the wussy ass parents that don't do their job.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 4:55:13 AM)

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The funny part is that the most accurate nutrition info available is for fast food, because the assembly line/ mass production approach makes their "product" one hell of a lot more standardized than what comes out of the kitchen at a real restaurant.


The thing is Wyld, when I go to a restaurant, a good quality kind, I have a pretty good idea of what I'm eating because it real food. You know this too.

I know that a 6oz filet mignon steak or a 6oz chicken breast or 8 oz of most fish (6oz for salmon) or seafood ~300 calories and if the meat is high quality, I don't need them to ladle a bunch of sauce on it. I look for things on a menu that say grilled, steamed, broiled, baked and stay away from fried and such. Also, I order dishes that come with vegetables and when it comes with something other, I ask to substitute for a salad. I always ask for my dressing on the side.

Seriously, all people need to is get informed. Spending a little time on a site like http://www.nutritiondata.com/ can be eye opening for many.

- LA



divi -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 5:18:31 AM)

People seriously know what they need to eat. Those who dont choose not to. I'm guilty of this. Unless I'm on a diet I will watch calories. And usually If I'm going out to eat I'm going to eat. I worry about the calories the next day and watch what I eat for that day. Kids on the other hand dont. That's where parents come in.

(imho)



JstAnotherSub -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 5:19:21 AM)

i agree with a lot of what has been posted here.  we do need to not have food so easy to get too, and especially unhealthy fat-laden food.

but......

everyone eating this crap is not fat or obese.....there are as many or more who stay thin and have high cholesterol and high bp and are as (or more so) unhealthy as fat folks.

we need to get off it being an obesity problem and call it what it is....a nationwide health problem.

and yeah ima fat chick......and yeah im working to get more healthy....and yeah i have friends who are skinny who never eat a vegetable or piece of fruit and i wouldnt trade my body for theirs if i had to also have their level of health....

just food for thought....of course it is organic food....

heh



divi -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 5:21:05 AM)

People need to make better choices when they eat fast food. And there are some on the menu



JstAnotherSub -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 6:07:49 AM)

amen....you can get the thread subject happy meal with chicken nuggets, apple slices and skim milk and it is a nutritious lunch.  add some play time in the playground, it is a cheap way to occupy kids for an hour or so in a good way.



heartcream -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 8:13:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: divi

People need to make better choices when they eat fast food. And there are some on the menu


You would think so but the way the so-called healthy food gets doctored it often isnt any better just maybe not as fattening but really not very nutritious which is sad. There is so much chemicals sprayed on tender lettuce, the tomatoes etc and these things absorb the nasty chemicals and we eat them and fuck up our organs. it really is hard to get decent food these days unless you buy it organic make it yourself. Add to it our bodies are so taxed, our adrenals are shot to shit from stress etc that we are barely if at all able to absorb what nutrients are there.

I am going out to eat with divi, whatchu want? I am thinking spicy wings, beer and fries?



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