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stella41b -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 9:15:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

we need to get off it being an obesity problem and call it what it is....a nationwide health problem.



And why is it a nationwide health problem? Isn't that because it's part of our society and our culture?

I actually think much of the problem has to do with immigration and foreigners. Here in Britain there's way too many Pakistanis, Indians, Greeks, Turks, and Chinese people.

Many of these people come over to this country with the sole intention of making people fat and messing up our society. They take up our shops and open up restauarnts and take aways designed solely for the purpose of creating strange food that many people enjoy eating.

The Indians and Pakistanis are among the worst offenders, because they make food such as curry which smells and they are quite open about their intention about making people fat by making their curries as cheap as possible and putting up signs like 'Eat As Much As You Like for £5.00'. Also they put too many spices in their food which makes it more difficult to digest when you've been drinking beer and alcohol and this causes a lot of people to vomit and leave pavement pizzas everywhere.

It's also bad for the environment and causes distress and suffering for people because they have to spend more time sitting on the toilet, using up more toilet roll which uses up more paper and trees. This is not to mention the harmful gases which pollute our atmosphere through people farting a lot more after eating dishes like prawn vindaloo and chicken biryanis, or suffering from halitosis after eating too much chilli or garlic.

Some of them try to disguise their motives by pretending to be innocent newsagents but they are just as bad for our national health because they sell cigarettes. Others are out there everywhere you go openly selling food and trying to get us all pissed by selling alcohol, attracting people with signs like 'Six cans for a fiver'.

The Greeks and Turks are just as bad because they get together meat from different animals and mash it all together into a big lump shaped like a log which they proudly display in the shop window and make kebabs from it. They get these pitta breads and slice them open, and shove in lots of meat and fat and grease, then throw in a bit of salad on top and drench it with lemon juice to make you think it's healthy but they then shower it with red hot chilli sauce which if it doesn't make you throw up after six pints will usually result in an uncomfortable twenty minutes in the bathroom.

Some people are aware of this and they try to resist, attempting to take exercise, even when they're there sitting on the toilet, and they start doing exercises to develop their abdominal muscles and sphincter muscles.

The Chinese are just as bad if not worse. There's no way of knowing what they put into their food, because they advertise it in their own language such as chow mein, chop suey, and this is difficult for many people to workout - especially if they're coming back from the pub being a bit steamed. But the Chinese make it easier for them by asking them to choose a number.

Even Europeans are coming over here with the intention of making people fat. take the Italians for instance. They take a big round lump of dough, throw random bits of food over it and cover it with cheese and bake it, calling it a pizza.

But they are not as bad as the Americans who do this differently. Unlike the Pakistanis, Indians, Greeks and Italians they don't come over and take up our shops on the High Street, but create these massive corporations like MacDonalds and Pizza Hut and Dunkin Donuts from which they openly sell food which makes people put on weight and get fat.

Some of them do it in small, discreet ways, such as a hot dog, a simple cheeseburger, 'fries' but you can tell these American places because they all have the same decor and names and they all compete with each other over who can sell you the most fattening burger. Yes indeed the message behind these names that they give these burgers all indicate that big is beautiful - the Big Mac, the Whopper, the Quarter-Pounder, The Half-Pounder. One of these places, KFC which does fried chicken, spicy fried chicken, and in fact anything and everything with chicken will even sell you buckets of food.

Yes that's right, not a dish, not a plate, but a full bucket of food.

We Brits can't even get our own back. Not only because all the available shops are being taken up by all the Pakistanis, Indians, Greeks, Turks, Chinese and other foreigners we can't even get the land because the Americans keep turning up and building their own restaurants on our land.

We can't also get our own back because everyone else tells us that our food is crap. I mean, you walk down the streets of Bombay, Peking, New York and Athens you don't see fish and chip shops everywhere do you? You don't see Americans getting together to eat pork pies and mushy peas do you?

Has anyone tried to offer a Pakistani or Arab a good old bacon sandwich? And what was their response? I bet you that they didn't accept the offer and made up some excuse about not eating pig meat because of their religion. But I can tell you that's bullshit. It's because they've met other Brits who are overweight and who have smelly breath and even smellier farts and they don't trust our food. I mean you can't be going down to the mosque after a plate of bubble and squeak with all the boiled cabbage it contains and praying with your fellow Muslims because if you let out a loud smelly fart you would probably be causing jihad even without leaving the mosque. And that's why you rarely ever see Arabs or Pakistanis with beer bellies and a Dagenham smile poking out from above their jeans (note that they will also tell you that they don't drink because of their religion).

The only people who are prepared to defend our national cuisine and food are the supermarket chains but they have to sell this stuff off cheaper to compete with the Americans, Italians, Pakistanis, Indians, Greeks, Chinese and other foreigners. They do this by buying food from food companies which buy up the cheaper, less popular cuts of meat (such as bulls' willies and sheeps' bottoms) chopping them up and mincing them and putting them into pies and 'the Great British Banger' and other foods like fish fingers, meatballs, and selling them off cheap.

So it's not the fault of parents or kids or fat people at all, it's the fault of the rest of the world who are all trying to get into the country to open up shops and restaurants so that they can sell us different foods and dishes to make us all fat.

They do exactly the same thing to try and get us all pissed as well. The Poles and Russians keep exporting their vodka to us, the Germans, Dutch, Danish and Australians keep sending us their beer, the Greeks send us ouzo, the Americans send us bourbon, and many other countries keep sending us wine.

This goes back in history. It was the Americans who got us started on cigs, chips and crisps when they introduced us to tobacco and potatoes. Of course they deny all knowledge of this when they pretend not to understand us when we talk about fags, crisps and chips but they speak English just as we do. They know what we are talking about the same as we do but they pretend not to understand simply to avoid taking the blame for sending Sir Walter Raleigh back with some spuds and tobacco as souvenirs from America.

Obviously it's too late now the damage has been done. Part of the problem we've brought upon ourselves by making sports such as soccer popular all over the world. And are we any good at it? How many times has England won the World Cup? Once, just once, in 1966. However for years we've been working to develop a reputation through our love of soccer not only for not playing it very well but for having crowds of men with beer bellies and Dagenham smiles poking out the back of their jeans who like to watch football, get pissed, eat food and vomit everywhere and break into fights afterwards.

I mean when tourists come to the country what do they see? They see us behaving much the same as any other nation except on Friday or Saturday night when some of us get dressed up, drench ourselves in perfume and after-shave (to disguise the bad breath and farts later in the evening) and 'go out on the piss' down to the local pub to drink alcohol until we get drunk, then we go and pig out on whatever food is available in the shops such as kebabs, curries, pizzas, burgers, chicken, etc, throw up, swear a bit, every so often get into a fight, get arrested, get taken away by an ambulance, puke up a bit more, and spend much of the next Sunday wandering round in a daze with aterrible hangover.

This has given us a worldwide reputation. Even the kids know about it. They don't want to become sport stars or pop singers when they grow up, not in China or India. They grow up wanting to be a newsagent in Watford, start a Chinese restaurant in Birmingham or a curry house in Bradford.

And we let them do it.   




thishereboi -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 9:34:08 AM)

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divi -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 9:38:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: heartcream


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ORIGINAL: divi

People need to make better choices when they eat fast food. And there are some on the menu


You would think so but the way the so-called healthy food gets doctored it often isnt any better just maybe not as fattening but really not very nutritious which is sad. There is so much chemicals sprayed on tender lettuce, the tomatoes etc and these things absorb the nasty chemicals and we eat them and fuck up our organs. it really is hard to get decent food these days unless you buy it organic make it yourself. Add to it our bodies are so taxed, our adrenals are shot to shit from stress etc that we are barely if at all able to absorb what nutrients are there.

I am going out to eat with divi, whatchu want? I am thinking spicy wings, beer and fries?

hell yeah !! I'm thinking great idea... but we need cheese on those fries




domiguy -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 9:57:50 AM)



Cheese on those thighs?




divi -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 9:59:00 AM)

cheese makes everything better
(imho)

and aren't you from cheese country ?




LadyAngelika -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 12:50:04 PM)

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People seriously know what they need to eat.


But they don't do it, adults and children alike. If people were accountable for what they ate, I would say the government would have no business interfering. Bottom line, if it were an individual problem, I'd say lets treat it at the level of the individual. But it is not an individual problem. It is a systemic problem.

It is a systemic problem because the result of making bad food choices is setting up a large portion of society to be very sick which means a) they will not be productive, working individuals and b) they will be a drain on medical resources.

Systemic problems are dealt with by implementing systemic solutions. The solution posted in the OP is one of those solutions.

- LA





LadyAngelika -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 12:53:04 PM)

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And we let them do it.


Because bangers and mash, blood pudding and anything with brown sauce was the image of health? ;-)

- LA




LadyNTrainer -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 1:03:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Because bangers and mash, blood pudding and anything with brown sauce was the image of health? ;-)


Commercial bangers and blood pudding is dreadful and full of sawdust and stable sweepings.  Actually most commercially processed food fits that description.  Much better to make your own, though blood pudding is a bit of an exercise to get the primary ingredient fresh enough.




heartcream -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 3:21:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: divi

cheese makes everything better
(imho)

and aren't you from cheese country ?


Yes and gravy, after all this is the land of the poutine puta madre!




LadyAngelika -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 3:36:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: heartcream


quote:

ORIGINAL: divi

cheese makes everything better
(imho)

and aren't you from cheese country ?


Yes and gravy, after all this is the land of the poutine puta madre!

Sorry darling, Montréal is the land of poutine ;-)

- LA




LadyAngelika -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 3:39:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Because bangers and mash, blood pudding and anything with brown sauce was the image of health? ;-)


Commercial bangers and blood pudding is dreadful and full of sawdust and stable sweepings.  Actually most commercially processed food fits that description.  Much better to make your own, though blood pudding is a bit of an exercise to get the primary ingredient fresh enough.



I'm not a blood sausage kinda gal, but I just made my own Curried Chicken & Eggplant from scratch with freshly grated ginger, turmeric, toasted cumin seeds and cayenne, very spicey, very low in fat and delish!

- LA




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 3:48:55 PM)

Have you ever seen of or heard how chicken nuggets are made? They're disgusting lol.

If I remember right it's ground up and then put back together or something. They're also breaded and some places fry them.

he Chicken McNugget is a small piece of minced chicken breast and mechanically separated meat held together with phosphate salts and some chicken skin. The pieces are then coated with batter, lightly fried to set the batter, individually quick frozen, packaged, and sent to stores. At the McDonald's stores, the McNuggets are deep-fried and sold.
The 2004 documentary Super Size Me states that the McDonald's Chicken McNuggets, originally made from old chickens no longer able to lay eggs, are now made from chickens with unusually large breasts. These chickens are stripped down to the bone, and then "ground up" into a chicken mash then combined with a variety of stabilizers and preservatives, pressed into familiar shapes, breaded and deep fried, freeze dried, and then shipped to a McDonald's near you."[2] Super Size Me also alleged that they included chemicals such as tertiary butylhydroquinone (a phenolic antioxidant), polydimethylsiloxane (an anti-foaming agent), and other ingredients not used by a typical home cook. As of 2007, these two ingredients were still listed as possible ingredients of the vegetable oil that is used to fry McNuggets. In a 2002 lawsuit against McDonald's, the judge claimed Chicken McNuggets are a "McFrankenstein" creation of various elements not used by the home cook.[2]


That does not sound healthy to me.

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

amen....you can get the thread subject happy meal with chicken nuggets, apple slices and skim milk and it is a nutritious lunch.  add some play time in the playground, it is a cheap way to occupy kids for an hour or so in a good way.




belladevine -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 3:49:52 PM)

Most people do not realize that there is an invisible villan lurking in their food!!!!

MSG makes you fat.

MSG is a "natural chemical" and is often added to food products that are labled " ALL NATURAL"

MSG is in almost all fast foods. It is also in flavor packets like Kraft macaroin and cheese and the rice a roni flavor packets, soup, cookies, cereal, ice cream.......ect!

MSG is like ectasy. It makes your brain think that KFC chicken is the best fuckin thing ever. MSG works like a drug, seeing pictures or smelling your addiction causes you to salivate and get cravings and it eats holes in your brain. MSG contributes to ADD and many other neurological problems.

kraft macroni and cheese is a great example.....in reality. macaroni and cheese is the most bland and boring food!!!!

MSG is also put into dog food. It causes dogs to eat more too.

MSG is poison and the United States food and drug administration is very aware of it adverse effects on the entire population.

http://truthinlabeling.com/





CarrieO -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 4:28:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

Have you ever seen of or heard how chicken nuggets are made? They're disgusting lol.

If I remember right it's ground up and then put back together or something.
quote:

ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

amen....you can get the thread subject happy meal with chicken nuggets, apple slices and skim milk and it is a nutritious lunch.  add some play time in the playground, it is a cheap way to occupy kids for an hour or so in a good way.



http://health.msn.com/nutrition/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100254643

http://www.rense.com/general76/chk.htm   What's in a chicken mcnugget

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/fast-foods-generic/9336/2  Nutritional content of 4 chicken mcnuggets

Here it is listed as the best kid's fast food meal  http://eatthis.womenshealthmag.com/slide/best-fast-food-kids-meal?slideshow=98360#title  

Notice the apple slices... http://www.dietfacts.com/html/nutrition-facts/mcdonalds-apple-dippers-with-low-fat-caramel-dip-a-bag-of-sliced-and-peeled-apples-served-with36044.htm

All of this makes the meal appear to be healthy...if you ignore the fact that the "chicken" is made up of more than just chicken.  [8|]

As for the op....It's a sad day when the government feels the need to tell parents whats right or wrong when it comes to food choices for their children.  It's also sad that many adults choose to make uninformed decisions as to the food they feed their families.
It's even worse when a frickin' happy meal is all that some parents can afford to feed their kids. 




LadyAngelika -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 4:37:18 PM)

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As for the op....It's a sad day when the government feels the need to tell parents whats right or wrong when it comes to food choices for their children.  It's also sad that many adults choose to make uninformed decisions as to the food they feed their families.
It's even worse when a frickin' happy meal is all that some parents can afford to feed their kids. 


The government wouldn't have to start getting involved if it wasn't a systemic issue.

- LA




ricken -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 5:12:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: belladevine
MSG is a "natural chemical" and is often added to food products that are labled " ALL NATURAL"


I just wanted to point out that "natural" does not exclude stuff made in a lab, it's been a long time, but I worked for a company that made "stuff" that went into foods, emulsifiers, flavers,etc...
I think the rule is something like, if it is a naturaly occuring chemicle, then even if it's man made it can be labeled "all natural". Think of Citric acid.




CarrieO -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 5:30:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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As for the op....It's a sad day when the government feels the need to tell parents whats right or wrong when it comes to food choices for their children.  It's also sad that many adults choose to make uninformed decisions as to the food they feed their families.
It's even worse when a frickin' happy meal is all that some parents can afford to feed their kids. 


The government wouldn't have to start getting involved if it wasn't a systemic issue.

- LA



Agreed, but something to keep in mind when considering the US government and it's relationship with fast food businesses and the large meat industry corporations and their lobbyist

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/schlosser-fast.html
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In the potato fields and processing plants of Idaho, in the ranchlands east of Colorado Springs, in the feedlots and slaughterhouses of the High Plains, you can see the effects of fast food on the nation’s rural life, its environment, its workers, and its health. The fast food chains now stand atop a huge food-industrial complex that has gained control of American agriculture. During the 1980s, large multinationals - such as Cargill, ConAgra, and IBP - were allowed to dominate one commodity market after another. Farmers and cattle ranchers are losing their independence, essentially becoming hired hands for the agribusiness giants or being forced off the land. Family farms are now being replaced by gigantic corporate farms with absentee owners. Rural communities are losing their middle class and becoming socially stratified, divided between a small, wealthy elite and large numbers of the working poor. Small towns that seemingly belong in a Norman Rockwell painting are being turned into rural ghettos. The hardy, independent farmers whom Thomas Jefferson considered the bedrock of American democracy are a truly vanishing breed. The United States now has more prison inmates than full-time farmers.

The fast food chains’ vast purchasing power and their demand for a uniform product have encouraged fundamental changes in how cattle are raised, slaughtered, and processed into ground beef. These changes have made meatpacking - once a highly skilled, highly paid occupation - into the most dangerous job in the United States, performed by armies of poor, transient immigrants whose injuries often go unrecorded and uncompensated. And the same meat industry practices that endanger these workers have facilitated the introduction of deadly pathogens, such as E. coli 0157:H7, into America’s hamburger meat, a food aggressively marketed to children. Again and again, efforts to prevent the sale of tainted ground beef have been thwarted by meat industry lobbyists and their allies in Congress. The federal government has the legal authority to recall a defective toaster oven or stuffed animal - but still lacks the power to recall tons of contaminated, potentially lethal meat.


I guess I have a problem with a government who, on one hand will tell you something like a happy meal is bad for you and on the other offer support to the lobbyist of the very industries that market cheap food at any cost.  This is kind of beyond a little plastic toy.

I do agree that doing away with the silly plastic toy found in happy meals is a step in the right direction in getting kids, and hopefully their parents, to see that food doesn't need to be treated as a prize or a chance to have cheap throw-away toys.  I have to wonder what new and clever marketing plan will pop up to replace the "pester power" of these happy treasures/enticements. 





belladevine -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (4/30/2010 5:37:34 PM)


Natural does not always mean "good for you".

MSG is not used as a preservative or a flavoring.

MSG is added to food for the specific purpose of making you a consumer.

MY BEST ADVICE.......BUYER BEWARE!!

Learn to read MSG code, share an apple with your bio-chemistry professor.




WyldHrt -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (5/1/2010 4:49:17 AM)

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Edgar Friendly: You see, according to Cocteau's plan, I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy who likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-o all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".

Winsome actually nailed my overall feelings about government interference in people's personal lives with the above quote, even if it IS from a silly movie.... that might not be so silly, given some of the things posted here. *looks at the cameras* Carrot stick, anyone? [:D]

Seriously, the government and the food nannies can just keep their noses the fuck out of my business, which includes what I choose to eat, how much I weigh, and anything else about my private life. I'm about sick of people using healthcare costs as an excuse to demonize those who don't comply with their vision of how the rest of us should live our lives. For the record, I've been working for 23 years, and have yet to take one penny from any public fund for health issues.




thishereboi -> RE: Bye bye happy meals? (5/1/2010 4:55:01 AM)

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Seriously, the government and the food nannies can just keep their noses the fuck out of my business, which includes what I choose to eat, how much I weigh, and anything else about my private life. I'm about sick of people using healthcare costs as an excuse to demonize those who don't comply with their vision of how the rest of us should live our lives.


Yea, that pretty much sums it up for me also. Good post[:)]




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