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subtee -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 4:35:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brainiacsub In bold is what I believe as well. I have never said that atheism is the ultimate goal of critical thought, but rejecting dogma is. The fundamental tenants of Christianity is classic religious dogma. One cannot claim to be a Christian and say they aren't dogmatic. Domi tried to point this out to Firm earlier in this thread. Saying that "I believe that Jesus is the son of God" or "the Bible is the word of God" is not the same thing as saying"I believe in the Judeo-Christian ethic" or "I believe in a higher power." A critical examination and study of the first statements would lead one to make the paradigm shift to the second. Full blown atheism would be the holy grail, but not necessary. One can't be a Christian and say they aren't dogmatic? Full blown atheism would be the holy grail? (Ironic phrasing, no?) It seems to me this goes too far. A critical examination of the Judeo-Christian ethic doesn't form a straight line to a prescribed paradigm shift in only one direction, does it? Wouldn't there be room for a spectrum of responses? Edited after critical examination of the quotey things. Which were wrong. Absolutely.

thompsonx -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 4:36:06 PM)
quote: FYI...domi and I are the same person. You didn't know that? Ok so you are black... I gotta ask...indoor plumbing? crosses fingers and prays to the pussy god

luckydawg -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 4:38:57 PM)
That makes a lot more sense. brainiacs dad is an asshole, with no manners, and probably quite abusive (certainly verbally). and her dad was/is serious about his religion. No need for critical thinking to see why she became an athiest.

subtee -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 4:40:08 PM)
That really sucks to say something like that. [:'(]

Jeffff -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 4:41:51 PM)
LD is Sanity... everyone knows that

thompsonx -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 4:42:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg well yeah, but its funny to watch him jump around like this. I caught him in a lie over here http://www.collarchat.com/m_3188359/mpage_2/tm.htm# and he is resorting to racist comments to get out of it. he is just a troll. Lucky, I've found that life on the forums is so much more enjoyable when I simply do not pay much attention, nor react hardly at all to most of the posts of such people. It simply gives them life. Firm What gives me life is pointing out the hipocracy of people. What gives me life is pointing out when people speak bullshit. What gives me life is discussion with intelligent honest people. What gives me life are good drugs and trashy women[;)]

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 4:43:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brainiacsub quote: ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub I guess my problem is I do not see anything wrong with blind faith sometimes. It is not a bad thing if it helps someone be a better person and live their life in a way that shows kindness and respect to others. In fact, I would prefer to be that kind of person than a critical thinker. In my family, and to some extent in my circle of friends, it is ok, and even expected to act in certain ways, and to do certain things, just because our family has always taught that as the way we want to live. And it makes us better people. Course we wont discuss me being a slut and liking to dance and have the herbal therapy and such-lol. I do not mean that as a put down to anyones beliefs, or ideals, but it takes all kinds to make this world go around. Neither wrong or right, just different. [...] My family sounds just like yours. Growing up I always thought we were better people, too. Then, I let my family know I was an atheist. My father shouted at a family gathering once, in front of my children who were 6 and 7 at the time, that I was going to hell and condemning them with me. They have not spoken to us since. My children are now 19 and 20. They have no family ties. In your book it's just different. In mine, it's wrong. I am sorry that happened to you. My family, and especially my dad, loved me unconditionally thoughout all my idiocies in puberty and adulthood. I am sure many prayers were sent up asking for me to see the light, but no one would have ever spoke like your dad did, because such an act is, in its self, unchristianlike. You dont just act like a christian when folks are doing what you want them to. It is how you live your life, whether anyone is noticing it or not.... This thread is interesting as hell to me though. I realize I wont change any of my core beliefs, but it is nice to try to understand how others came to their own beliefs also....

luckydawg -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 4:44:23 PM)
Jeff has to pretend stuff like that. He can't deal with reality. He likes made up things like Ld is Sanity, and Bush was a Draft Dodger. It makes his trollish little heart feel good. And it gives a look into the way he thinks and processes information.

brainiacsub -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 4:45:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg well brainiac, I would imagine that you are capable of it, it just seems you don't engage in it. like for instance, you had to change what I said to argue against it. Which is rhetorical, not logical argument only 849 posts in 2.5 years? what name were you using before? I thought you seemed to have appeared here fully formed and knowing who everyone was. You are now just being a jerk. If you go back and look at my pattern of participation on these forums, 90% of my activity has been predominantly in the Poltical and Religious forums, because that is where my expertise lies. I often take many months break between posts, but I have been reading steadily for about 4 years. This time around I started posting again in early March. I have been pretty active in religious discussions in the past two months. What is your problem? Why don't you contribute to the discussion and engage my ideas, agree or disagree with them, but why attack my intellect or my character? It only makes you look small. I've noticed it's a common tactic among the faithful. I'm glad I'm not one of you.

Jeffff -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 4:47:19 PM)
I knew you would bring that up. Thats all you got dude. I retracted it. I took responsibility. That's what a man does. Why don't you talk about other posters folks some more. I'll bet your lips move while you read this. You , will always be a jag off...:)

luckydawg -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 4:56:45 PM)
Brainiac, what does that have to do with you changing what I said to argue agaisnt it? and how that is rhetoric, not logic?

belladevine -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 4:59:53 PM)
luckydawg, guess what. Your luck has run out. I do not know why you choose to make personal comments rather than contribute to the post. It was really stupid for you to comment on me. I am a critical thinker. I think you are a rude and pathetic moron.

Musicmystery -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 5:02:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika It is evident from your reply to me MM that as usual, you are more interested in ripping apart what I am trying to accomplish than meeting me at some common ground where we can discuss. You made a lot of assumptions about me, which I'm not surprised I got from Firm & Treasure, but I am surprised I got from you. You use patronizing language like you do with all intelligent women. I used to find it enjoyable to debate with you. Now, not so much. - LA Not at all. I wrote a measured reply to your silly dismissal of the posters here, and I drew not from assumptions but from what's in this thread. You just didn't like what you heard. Now you're just being obnoxious. You did, after, paint the posters here with a damn broad brush, and in outright condescension. What were you expecting? You can't take swipes like that and expect people to treat you like a Rhodes scholar. There's plenty of common ground in this thread. You're just too busy defending your fragile ego to work from there analytically. And there's still that you started with a borderline condemnation as the basis for your OP. Not an auspicious beginning. As for the other silly projection--as you well know, I both respect and count as friends a number of intelligent women here. Stop the projecting. It's you, not the entire female gender, I'm debating here, and it's your ideas, not your personality or background, that's coming up short. But with replies like this from you? Jesus Christ. Grow up.

luckydawg -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 5:03:05 PM)
This is what you call a "retraction"??? "Whatever dude.... he was honorably discharged... he did not serve honorably. But you don't give a shit. You don't care about anything except you and your precious view of what this country should be. Knowing that you are out there claiming to be a proud American embarrasses me more than I can say."

LadyAngelika -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 5:05:14 PM)
quote: But with replies like this from you? Jesus Christ. Grow up. Perhaps you'd like to follow you own advice? Or are you incapable of seeing the fault in your behaviour? - LA

Jeffff -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 5:06:06 PM)
LOL.. reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it. Just because you say it, does not make it so. Are you so sad that you can't see anything outside of your tiny world view? I don't understand you. I am glad.

LadyAngelika -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 5:07:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff LOL.. reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it. Just because you say it, does not make it so. Are you so sad that you can't see anything outside of your tiny world view? I don't understand you. I am glad. Jefff, that seems to be a disease on this board. - LA

belladevine -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 5:11:11 PM)
I think a re-traction is the forward/reverse motion of a bull dozer over idiots like luckydawg.

TreasureKY -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 5:11:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brainiacsub In bold is what I believe as well. I have never said that atheism is the ultimate goal of critical thought, but rejecting dogma is. I honestly don't believe that you have any idea what you believe until you see someone else say something that sounds good to you at the moment. quote: ORIGINAL: brainiacsub The fundamental tenants of Christianity is classic religious dogma. First, it's TENET. Sometimes it is spelled tenent... but never tenant. [8\|] Do you understand what "dogma" is? It is simply a belief held by a religion, an organization or simply an ideology that is held as true without proof. The basic tenet of atheism is the dogma that there is no God. Atheism is a dogmatic ideology. To use your phrasing... One cannot claim to be an Atheist and say they aren't dogmatic. Christianity has a dogma that Jesus is the Son of God (or some similar idea); Atheism has a dogma that there is no God. Both are beliefs. Neither can be proven. So... are you prepared to employ a little critical thought and reject your dogma?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Critical Thinking & Logical Deduction Are Becoming Extinct Like The Dinosaur (5/3/2010 5:14:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika You made a lot of assumptions about me, which I'm not surprised I got from Firm & Treasure ... Not surprised, huh? [8D] Why would that be, Lady Angelika? Firm Firm, point me to one place in this thread where you didn't try to speak with some voice of authority and you changed your mind about something and let someone else's opinion even slightly sway you, allowing your paradigm to shift and I'll take that statement back. - LA hmmm ... so this is the thread where I have to have all of my life changing revelations and reevaluations of my beliefs and my life? [:D] I have been very focused and narrow in what I've said in this thread, primarily to point out alternate ways of seeing things, or to point out obviously inaccurate logic and poor critical thinking (kinda the point of the thread, I believed. Perhaps I was wrong?) When the quality of thought and the quality of discussion warrants it, I certainly learn. I've even been known to admit mistakes, and even apologize. So far, I've seen little in this thread that warrants a "paradigm change". Primarily because I believe that there is more than enough closed minded dogmatic thinking being displayed by other posters, that I've focused on simply pointing that out. Have I issued a personal insult to you (or anyone else, for that matter), or made any assumptions in which I was not willing and able to give you my reasoning, logic, sources and quotes? No? Then why do you take offense? Yes? If you disagree with something I've said, I'm certainly willing to discuss it, and either back off what I said, or provide more and better argumentation. That, after all, is what a civil, logical discussion is about, isn't it? And, if I speak with "authority", and am willing and able to back it up (case in point: the "appeal to authority" that I claimed, and then duppelganger came back, 10 or more pages later and challenged me on), what exactly is wrong with speaking with "authority"? I'm sure that you have life experiences, and put a lot of thought into your life schemata. Me too. And I guarantee that they are different. One of the areas that I've concentrated on in life is people, and how and why we think, and how we are lead, influenced, deceived, manipulated and how we learn to act and behave. From both an individual point of view, and a societal point of view. I believe that it has made me very self aware of what and how I am influenced, and what I believe, so yes, it is pretty difficult to move me from many of my basic paradigms. I have a very sensitive "bullshit detector". And a very well developed, consistent and workable schemata of life. But the key is ... I am willing to change my paradigms, especially if someone gives me one that has the ring of truth, and that is presented with deep self-awareness and intelligence. I've changed many of my basic paradigms over my life, and I can even tell you when and why, and the effects they have had in my life (if we were close enough, and I had that kind of relationship with you). Yet you challenge me like I was a 13 year old student of yours, wanting to know "what did you learn at school today?" Firm

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