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RE: bad drivers - 5/3/2010 7:57:01 PM   
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RE: bad drivers - 5/4/2010 2:31:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		My dad says the same thing about young drivers lol He'd love if there was hours they could be on the road, and not be in his way.  He says the biggest threat out on the road is the 18 to 25 catagory, and indeed today we did see a young looking guy trying to eat and drive at the same time.

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Sorry to hear about your Grandomme domiguy.

And I think old people should be allowed to drive. I'd prefer it if they had assigned hours to be on the road, though, so as not to be in my way.


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RE: bad drivers - 5/4/2010 8:30:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fair point from your Dad, most of the near misses Ive had came from that age group although you cant get a license to drive a car in Victoria until you are 18 but the 18 to 28 group still represent more than their fair share of the agro on the roads.

Its an age old problem that I suspect will never go away.

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RE: bad drivers - 5/5/2010 1:58:52 AM   
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Fair point from your Dad, most of the near misses Ive had came from that age group although you cant get a license to drive a car in Victoria until you are 18 but the 18 to 28 group still represent more than their fair share of the agro on the roads.

Its an age old problem that I suspect will never go away.


Between increased aggro and decreased awareness/reaction time/visual acuity, etc. I'd take increased aggro any day of the week. At least that can be compensated for to some degree. You never know *when* some old fuck is going to 'mistake the gas for the brake' and plow into a street fair/market/store/house, etc.

Also, I'd wager the percentages are a bit better. Not every young person has the aggro problem. But EVERY old person will eventually get either more blind, slower to react, or less mentally competent as they age.

Hell I had some old guy back into me in a parking lot because he looked out one mirror and saw nothing but didn't think to look out the other mirror where more than half my car would have been visible.

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RE: bad drivers - 5/5/2010 6:49:07 AM   
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My dad says the same thing about young drivers lol He'd love if there was hours they could be on the road, and not be in his way.  He says the biggest threat out on the road is the 18 to 25 catagory, and indeed today we did see a young looking guy trying to eat and drive at the same time.

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Sorry to hear about your Grandomme domiguy.

And I think old people should be allowed to drive. I'd prefer it if they had assigned hours to be on the road, though, so as not to be in my way.


Can't say that I disagree here either. My oldest has just turned 19 and I consider him a safe driver. And yet, he has totaled one car and managed to get another stuck on top of a rock. Scary business that.

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RE: bad drivers - 5/7/2010 2:11:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		When my brother became the legal age to drive, He borrowed the car from my dad, and totally fucked my dad over with his insurance, and got my dad kicked out of that insurance program, cause my brother got into to many fender benders. Not to mention ruining the car.

And one time my dad gave my brother a beautiful motorcycle of my dad's and lyn turned around and sold it for an Opal car that was a junker and broke down with in a months time, and on the road no less, and lyn just left it on the road to be impounded.

Another time something, I can't remember what, I think it was the steering wheel locked up or something, went wrong and he didn't know what to do, and so he just jumped out of the car and let it crash.

Now, if I ever wish to drive, and had a liscence, because of his stupidity in how he chose to not respect the fact he was borrowing someone's car and be careful w/ith it, I wouldn't be allowed to drive my parents car, even if his insurance would cover me to do it. There's just been to many bad experinces with letting your kid borrow the car for him to trust me to borrow it, even though I'd be a responsible driver he just aint risking it.

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Can't say that I disagree here either. My oldest has just turned 19 and I consider him a safe driver. And yet, he has totaled one car and managed to get another stuck on top of a rock. Scary business that.


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RE: bad drivers - 5/7/2010 11:24:15 AM   
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RE: bad drivers - 5/8/2010 1:33:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, ok, I guess I will chime in...I would have chimed in sooner, but I was dealing with the wonderful drivers in Kansas City, St. Louis, Minneapolis & Chicago...OH JOY!!!!!
GreedyTop I'm sure we could definitely share some war stories, that's for sure.
I guess I have so say my favorite drivers are the ones who hate truck drivers??  Ok, more than just those, here are some of my most favorite scenerios.
1) I am coming up on a slow vehicle, I put on my turn signal to go around that slow vehicle. My turn signal is the signal for everyone to start passing me. I'm now down to 45 miles an hour & am being passed by 10 vehicles, why? Because I put on my turn signal to go around a slow vehicle.
2) The "Got to beat the big truck" theory. A car knowing that his exit is coming up figures that I'm going to slow when I'm doing 70 in a 65, so he has to fly around me on the left, then cut me off to get off the exit, only to sit at the traffic light. Ok, and that driver saved how much time by doing all this?
3) Car is getting on the road, car has a yield sign, car decided to ignore said yield sign & come flying out in front of the vehicle traveling that has the right of way, car expects me to hit the brakes instead of him...well, at least 1 out of 2 isn't bad, sad thing is, this accident is my fault, why? Because my 18 wheels, 18 brakes (yeah, I wish) & 18 tires should have stopped when he slammed on the brakes after cutting me off.
4) Cutting across 4 lanes of traffic to get off the exit...do you REALLY know what's on the right side of a semi truck, like the car that is illegally passing me on the right & will complete the pass just as you're coming into the same lane the car is in as you come across the 4 lanes of traffic.
ACTUAL FACTS!!!!!
1) YIELD = Yes I Estimate Lots of Damage
2) This is a statistically known fact - Car vs. Truck accidents, only approximately 12% are caused by semi trucks
3) In my opinion, truckers are 1 of the most hated drivers in the US.
4) When you are at a store making your purchases, you are not thinking about where the items on the shelf came from (no really, there is no merchandise fairy in the back room of the store waving a wand & making stuff appear), but keep in mind when you see us on the road, we are gone from home for WEEKS & at times months at a time, away from our homes & families, missing holidays, family reunions, our children's special events, our wedding anniversaries, and lots of other things so that you can have the meds you need, the food & diapers for the kids, gas for your car, or even the car itself.
5) If you remember nothing else out of anything that I put in this post, remember 1 thing, when you see that (up to or bigger) 75 foot long, 13' 6" high vehicle out there, remember that the person driving that truck is just like you, they are human, have a life, a home, a family & feelings.
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RE: bad drivers - 5/8/2010 3:24:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lauri.. the tailgaiters always piss me off too...

what happens if a tire blows on the trailer while some twat is 'draftng' me?  

FOLKS!! if you cant see my mirrors, I cant see YOU..... and if one of those tires blow.. and yuo get decapitated.. it's YOUR FAULT!!!

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RE: bad drivers - 5/8/2010 5:08:27 AM   
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1) I am coming up on a slow vehicle, I put on my turn signal to go around that slow vehicle. My turn signal is the signal for everyone to start passing me. I'm now down to 45 miles an hour & am being passed by 10 vehicles, why? Because I put on my turn signal to go around a slow vehicle.


Well, in most people's minds (including many states' laws) the truck should BE the slow vehicle. Many interstates have limits for trucks that are 10 mph slower than cars for a reason. Something that big and heavy does not need to be moving that fast. If you're coming upon a vehicle you feel the need to pass -- you're going to fast.

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3) Car is getting on the road, car has a yield sign, car decided to ignore said yield sign & come flying out in front of the vehicle traveling that has the right of way, car expects me to hit the brakes instead of him...well, at least 1 out of 2 isn't bad, sad thing is, this accident is my fault, why? Because my 18 wheels, 18 brakes (yeah, I wish) & 18 tires should have stopped when he slammed on the brakes after cutting me off.


This part is confusing, as the yield signs are usually on the off-ramp, not the on-ramp.

Also, you do realize that the on-ramp ends, right? The car will run out of room before you do and if they are forced to slow down, that means the next guy behind you (who according to you shouldn't have to slow down or let them in either) won't let them in and they will just sit there on the ramp, unmoving. When getting onto a freeway, cars are supposed to achieve freeway speeds and merge with traffic. If they are in a position to speed up and merge more seamlessly than they could by slowing down, there shouldn't be an issue. If you're in the lane next to the on-ramp, you shouldn't be flying down the road anyway as you should be aware people will be trying to merge.

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1) YIELD = Yes I Estimate Lots of Damage


This is disputable as an "actual fact," but whatever.

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2) This is a statistically known fact - Car vs. Truck accidents, only approximately 12% are caused by semi trucks


And who's at the most risk of serious death and injury?

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3) In my opinion, truckers are 1 of the most hated drivers in the US.


Don't forget bikers. While trucks do have little annoying smaller vehicles.....so do cars.

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4) When you are at a store making your purchases, you are not thinking about where the items on the shelf came from (no really, there is no merchandise fairy in the back room of the store waving a wand & making stuff appear), but keep in mind when you see us on the road, we are gone from home for WEEKS & at times months at a time, away from our homes & families, missing holidays, family reunions, our children's special events, our wedding anniversaries, and lots of other things so that you can have the meds you need, the food & diapers for the kids, gas for your car, or even the car itself.


Are you saying truckers are held hostage and forced to be truckers? Or could it be *gasp* a chosen profession like many other jobs that have long hours and take people away from their families?


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RE: bad drivers - 5/8/2010 5:10:22 AM   
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Lauri.. the tailgaiters always piss me off too...

what happens if a tire blows on the trailer while some twat is 'draftng' me?  

FOLKS!! if you cant see my mirrors, I cant see YOU..... and if one of those tires blow.. and yuo get decapitated.. it's YOUR FAULT!!!


Question -- if you can't see someone who's not in your mirrors.....how do you know they're even tailgating you? Is it possible to be pissed off by someone whose existence you aren't even sure of?


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RE: bad drivers - 5/8/2010 7:36:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		you have obviously never operated a large vehicle.

Believe it or not, sometimes big trucks are doing the speed limit posted for them (and it s not MANY states that have the staggered speed limits).. and there are STILL vehicles going slower than that.

No.. the yield signs are on the ON RAMPS.  The idea is that the on-ramp is for people to get up to a matching speed for the road they are merging on to.. If traffic does not offer them a gap (another pet peeve..motherfucker.. if there is an empty lane MOVE YOUR SORRY ASS OVER!!), then the merging traffic is meant to yield./

The rest of your post is even more ignorant than what I have addressed, so I am not even going to dignify it with a response.

eta: the mirror thing:  in daytime.. SHADOWS indicate a tailgaiter// at night, it's headlights.  DUH.

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RE: bad drivers - 5/8/2010 1:14:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Loki, you are right on all counts. I am new to truck driving, I have only been doing this for 20 YEARS & I now know that I am totally wrong in my driving abilities & all the laws. I'm sorry. But it's funny how the situations that I did happen to mention are situations that I have seen that have gotten people, whether they drive a truck, a car, or both, killed. But evidently I am the one who is wrong in my thinking of how driving on the roads work.
This is the last that I'm going to say about this, and yes, we can say that you have really hit a nerve with me Loki, as I'm sure you could really care less, but here's the deal, I CHOSE this career *GASP* surprise, surprise. And yes, I'm very well aware of "Out of sight, out of mind" When my step dad went in the hospital it was 30 hours before anyone remembered to call me, when he passed away I was the only one from the family who was not by his side & then it was another 4 hours before I was told. But you know what, it's my chosen career.
I do have an offer for those who have a HUGE issue with trucks that are out here on the road, and those of us who are new to truck driving, BOYCOTT!!!!  That's right, boycott, do NOT buy a single thing that a truck may have delivered.
And I am giving an open invitation to anyone who thinks that they know how to drive around trucks, or thinks that I am doing my job wrong? You are more than welcome to ride with me for 2 days & it won't take that long to learn what all I'm doing wrong & for you to teach me the correct way of driving. I run mid west & south east, so you would have to get to me, you will pay for your food & for 1 night in a room, plus your transportation to & from my location. But at least I will then be taught the correct way of driving a truck. And yes Loki, this invitation is also open to you as well.
I learn something new every day, so what can anyone out there teach me about driving a truck????
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RE: bad drivers - 5/8/2010 1:21:52 PM   
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RE: bad drivers - 5/8/2010 3:01:39 PM   
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you have obviously never operated a large vehicle.


And that matters how?

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Believe it or not, sometimes big trucks are doing the speed limit posted for them (and it s not MANY states that have the staggered speed limits).. and there are STILL vehicles going slower than that.


No kidding. It's called old folks. And I dislike them on the road too. But that doesn't mean an over-sized diesel should try and blast around them. I for one like the states that enact laws preventing the trucks from using the left lanes.

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No.. the yield signs are on the ON RAMPS. 


Really? In what state? Because it isn't in this one. I've NEVER seen a yield sign on an on-ramp. Only on off-ramps. If you don't believe me, go to google maps and pick a highway, then use that little yellow man icon to go to street view and see if there are yield signs.

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The idea is that the on-ramp is for people to get up to a matching speed for the road they are merging on to..


And if they slow down on the on-ramp....how does that help them match the speed of the road they're getting onto?


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RE: bad drivers - 5/8/2010 3:18:40 PM   
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But it's funny how the situations that I did happen to mention are situations that I have seen that have gotten people, whether they drive a truck, a car, or both, killed.


And I've seen situations where some careless trucker ran a red light and literally wiped out a small car and its driver (the engine block of her car was knocked 300 yards from her vehicle from the force of the impact). What exactly does that prove? It proves that there are stupid drivers that drive ALL types of vehicles.

Stupid drivers drive cars, trucks, bikes, hell even golf carts. None of that means we should do a lengthy diatribe lamenting one or the other. I hate all stupid drivers. You seem to only hate the ones that drive cars, forgetting that the ones that drive trucks can be far, far more dangerous because of the load they're carrying.

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But evidently I am the one who is wrong in my thinking of how driving on the roads work.


Nope, you're just wrong when you single out one type of stupid drive while ignoring the ones that drive *your* type of vehicle. It never works to paint one type of vehicle driver as the victims and the others as the bad guys. As I said, stupid drivers drive ALL types of vehicles.

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This is the last that I'm going to say about this, and yes, we can say that you have really hit a nerve with me Loki, as I'm sure you could really care less, but here's the deal, I CHOSE this career *GASP* surprise, surprise. And yes, I'm very well aware of "Out of sight, out of mind" When my step dad went in the hospital it was 30 hours before anyone remembered to call me, when he passed away I was the only one from the family who was not by his side & then it was another 4 hours before I was told.


I fail to see how this has any relevance here, (but I'll address it anyway, because I can). You think others don't have distance in their families? Try joining the service. I was in freakin' MD when my stepmom had a heart attack. I'm trying to train for a career in the military and I get a call in the early hours of the morning telling me this. Guess what. I *couldn't* leave. And that was when I was just in TRAINING. Think about the soldiers in Iraq. Think they *might* be a little farther from their loved ones than you are? Yeah...it's really easy to get up and leave a FIREFIGHT when someone back home gets injured or sick. Nice try on the "whoa is me" shit, but I think some have it far worse than you do.

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Loki, you are right on all counts. I am new to truck driving, I have only been doing this for 20 YEARS & I now know that I am totally wrong in my driving abilities & all the laws. I'm sorry.


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And I am giving an open invitation to anyone who thinks that they know how to drive around trucks, or thinks that I am doing my job wrong? You are more than welcome to ride with me for 2 days & it won't take that long to learn what all I'm doing wrong & for you to teach me the correct way of driving. I run mid west & south east, so you would have to get to me, you will pay for your food & for 1 night in a room, plus your transportation to & from my location. But at least I will then be taught the correct way of driving a truck. And yes Loki, this invitation is also open to you as well.
I learn something new every day, so what can anyone out there teach me about driving a truck????


This is awfully reactionary, emotional and illogical. I never once made any reference to your ability to drive a truck. Nice of you to read that in, though....several, several times.

Too bad you were lying when you said:

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Oh how I soooooo want to say something, but I am not going to say a word, nope not going to do it, I'm not saying a word! *goes back to my corner & keeps my mouth shut*


Because the moment you *did* open your mouth, you painted lowly little truckers as the sole victims and the saddest story on the road. Give me a break.


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RE: bad drivers - 5/8/2010 4:06:39 PM   
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RE: bad drivers - 5/8/2010 4:26:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		folks in cars need to remember 18 goes over 4 with not much left over....

i have 2 bumper stickers, look twice one and hang up and drive....

i wish i could get one that said you are a fucking moron every time i see stupidity on the roads.  have it flash bright red and able to spin to any angle....but then id probably crash trying to use it......ill stick to cussing under my breath i guess.

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RE: bad drivers - 5/8/2010 6:40:48 PM   
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Loki you win


Don't feel bad. That usually happens one way or another.


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RE: bad drivers - 5/8/2010 6:48:54 PM   
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folks in cars need to remember 18 goes over 4 with not much left over....

i have 2 bumper stickers, look twice one and hang up and drive....

i wish i could get one that said you are a fucking moron every time i see stupidity on the roads.  have it flash bright red and able to spin to any angle....but then id probably crash trying to use it......ill stick to cussing under my breath i guess.


Thinkgeek.com has an LED sign you can hang in your window that comes pre-programed with various smiley's and a few choice phrases available to activate at the touch of a button.


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