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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg
"just spare me your renditions and "SHOW ME" where the people gave up judicial power."

I can very easily do so. In fact I already have. I have one simple yes or no question to ask you. Are you willing to answer a simple yes or no question? Directly no bullshit. I hope you are.

Is the US Constituion Valid? I am not going to show you that the US Constitution is valid or not.

Art sec 1

"The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. "


That is the Constitution. If you oppose it, which you clearly do, you are an anti American Piece of shit. IF you support it, every aspect of the bullshit you push on every subject has been ruled wrong, and often criminal.

Section 2 estblishes that "judicial Power" covers all cases in Law and Equity. No court can exist in the USA that is not inferior to the USSC. Note they use the exact same phrase. ""judicial Power"

Ok lets start with the basics then.

What are the main lets say top 10 purposes constitution.  That should take it deep enough for you to lay it out.
If you get it right you will answer your own question.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

What gives you the idea that you are automatically a US citizen just because you were born here?

I will give you a hint ok.

I'll give you a hint, ok?

It's called federal law.

Constitutional Topic: Citizenship - The U.S. Constitution Online

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

• Anyone born inside the United States

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

real, actually you didn't tell me anything. you refused to answer a simple question. Like a coward.

Because you know that if you allow your BS to be questioned, it will fall apart instantly.

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

you make post after post, but claim you are bored to tears. More of your nonsensical bullshit.



The fact remains you are a coward afraid to answer a question.


No quagmire involved.

Your a coward, thats all.

If you accept the Constitution as Valid, Art 3 sec 1 applies. And all your bull shit is meaningless.

If you reject the Constitution, you are an anti American piece of Shit, and a traitor.



It really is that simple.


Which is of course why you tell lies and are afraid to answer.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Its state terrorism against the people.

Bullshit. If you consider yourself a "sovereign citizen" and not a citizen of the United States then your criticism has no standing.

How can you charge the State with terrorism when "sovereign citizens" lie down with that murdering dog Terry Nichols?

You lie down with dogs you smell like a dog.

Your politics are despicable. People on this Board pander to your nonsense because they do not understand the sedition that lies at its heart.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Once more a thread has been hijacked by Real into one of his "conspiracy/sovereign citizen" bullshit threads.

What RO wont tell you is how many of the people who have preached similar crap has ended up arrested, charged and tried in the american courts.  Men such as Walter Francis Fitzpatrick III, arrested on April 1st for attempting a citizens arrest of a grand jury chairman in Madisonville TN, or  Darren Huff who was arrested for traveling from Georgia to Madisonville with the intent of taking over the courthouse at the hearing for Fitzpatrick.

Or the number of Montana Freeman who were arrested for using  notices of lien against public officials. The liens were then allegedly sold to generate equity in order to fund an effort to make a "firm offer to pay off the national debt." The Freemen claimed that the liens conformed to the Uniform Commercial Code, and that their township's court had an interest in a tort claim for damages incurred by the named public officials for violations of their oaths of office.

The Freemen were known to produce their own very realistic counterfeit checks and money orders, sometimes ordering items and deliberately overpaying so that they could demand refunds. In 1995 members used a note drawn from an account belonging to the U.S. District Court to try and purchase 1.4 million dollars worth of firearms, ammunition, and body armor.

These are the people who espouse belief in the doctrine of individual sovereignty and rejected the authority of the federal government of the United States. They conceived their own system of government in "Justus Township", including their own versions of common-law court de jure, banking, and credit.

It is also good to note that none of these proceedings brought about by these individuals have any legal standing under the constitution, where the common law courts are established by Article 3, section one of the Constitution.  By claiming that the 7th amendment does away with this section is both stupid AND the sure sign of an idiot who cannot grasp the constitution or the american legal system.

In other words, Real is an idiot espousing an idiotic idea that has been proven false in a number of court cases and has landed supporters of such philosophy in jail.  If we are lucky, Real will do something equally stupid and land himself in jail.  While it may not be for a long term, but even a few months without his crap would be a welcome change.

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and therein lies the point of my sarcasm

its the way the guv operates to justify the increasing police state.

Arrest them on one charge to scare the hell out of people and in this case for all intents and purposes charge them with the equivalent of a parking ticket and let them go.

Now will the MSM news inform anyone of the released on a traffic ticket, of course not.

They just let the original bogus charges fester in everyones heads so the lasting thought is against whomever the target is.

(and there is always an fbi instigator who tries to get the targets to do something illegal in a setup operation just like in the 93 WTC bombing where they were busted on tape supplying him with real explosives)

AND THE DUMB ASSED PUBLIC DID NOTHING!


Its state terrorism against the people.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Real, considering that this philosophy which you seem to preach has been ignored by the courts,

Yeh well you know how it is people dont always get the jurisdiction right they arent all geniuses you know.

members have been implicated in mass murder,

Commandante Janet trench scab reno did a great job taking out waco.

who have engaged in bank fraud, check fraud,

Sachs, Enron, Wall street, Morgan, Congress, Can I stop now?

fraudulent liens,

Everyones favorite  the IRS

have been arrested for trying to push the findings of "people's courts," citizens arrests, kidnapping, even a plan to take over a county courthouse recently.

Yeh cant do it like that, there are proper channels and they arent always on the ball.  The scabs have a right to have their courts too you know.

The entire idea that the federal government is unconstitutional and illegal is blindly stupid. 

Nah we gave them 10 square miles.  You know how it is gove them a mile and take 20,000.

You fail to admit that people involved in your philosophy have been convicted of murder, attempted murder, assault, mass murder, accessory to murder, not to mention the number arrested for fraud.

well people that are involved do not have infinite funding from a bunch of retards who spend all day whining about how uncomfortable that red whit and blue dick up there asses are getting.  LOL

Why not admit that?  You wont even admit that murder of a law enforcement officer or the shooting of two volunteer firemen was unjustified.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

I have been thinking though. If Real and PA, et al are not citizens of the USA, but soverigns. Doesn't that make them Illegal Aliens? Do they have visas? green cards? According to the Constitution, since they were born here, they are citizens, but they seem to have voluntarily given up that priviledge, and have rejected citizenship. Hence they are Aliens, and with out proper Visas and permits are illegal.

And as Illegal Aliens, they should be immediatly arrested and deported. Or held in custody untill they determine where to send them. These vermin use our services, and drain our taxes, and take our jobs, and drive down our wages, and spread diseases. Remember that everytime you see real, term (I wonder how this soverign citizen bullshit will work for his DUI) or PA posting

We should certainly get the ones that openly want to take down our Government off the street.

Damn! You beat me to it, dawg. I was thinking the same thing. Also I wonder if they generate their own electricity or are tied into a regional grid and how independent is that? Do they travel on the Federal Interstate System or fly through Fed controlled skies and airports. I wonder where they keep their money. Not FDIC insured I would hope. Oh, I could go on. But RO will simply reply that we have not read as much as he has.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

you make post after post, but claim you are bored to tears. More of your nonsensical bullshit.



The fact remains you are a coward afraid to answer a question.


No quagmire involved.

Your a coward, thats all.

If you accept the Constitution as Valid, Art 3 sec 1 applies. And all your bull shit is meaningless.

If you reject the Constitution, you are an anti American piece of Shit, and a traitor.



It really is that simple.


Which is of course why you tell lies and are afraid to answer.

prove to me that it is art 3

here I will help you:

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/gmanual/browse-gm-09.html


there you go, go to judicial and tell me see there is your proof.

and guess what you are wrong.

Why because you do not know how government works.


See look how nice I am I even gave you what you are sure to label "proof".  Its not and you have no clue why its not.  But since I am such a nice guy I will wait for you to come up with your proof.

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

"prove to me that it is art 3

here I will help you:

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/gmanual/browse-gm-09.html


there you go, go to judicial and tell me see there is your proof. "


Why Would I go to the Judicia page to determine what art 3 of the Constitution says? I went to the US Constitution, which is on the page you gave the link to.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2009_government_manual&docid=217558tx_xxx-2


And lo and behold it says that Art 3 section 1 says

"Article III

Section 1. The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in
one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from
time to time ordain and establish."



Just like I said it did.


Coward.