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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 2:15:00 PM   
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and after the bickering here the poor man cant wait to return to the war zone for some tranquility. 


I believe the only war zone he has been in was playing Mortal Kombat.

But I do thank him for his service to the Earthrealm.


Are you willing to place a bet on that? I am... see the challenge, bold red above, that I've placed to any Lather that doubts my statements about my service and where I've deployed to.

I've never played Mortal Combat.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 2:16:53 PM   
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and in that light (copy and paste of things you have said) and the "strawman" asswipe you pulled on me:

Just think, our failure to go into Iraq would have had Iran with a nuclear program, Saddam developing his, North Korea detonating a bomb.  Iran detonating one later and Iraq detonating one much later.  Throw a bunch of radical regimes into the mix. 
Not going into Iraq would have been a long term DISASTER for us.

You said that.  That was your assessment.  Why now should we believe your current assessment to be accurate in view of that statement?

Hey, apple pie, mom, wave the flag, america, democracy, kill the different colored bastards and all that shit, been there done that for my country, but in the fullness of time.......and seeing what I saw......I have reached (as I believe huntie has) some conclusions that may not square with the worldview you hold, simple as that.

So, without rancor, I am asking that question.





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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 2:19:10 PM   
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rulemylife No, the difference is this guy is full of shit and you should be ashamed you are gullible enough to buy into this.

You've yet to advance a reasoned, logical, argument to try to counter my statements. You've yet to accept my challenge... see bolded red statement above... you've failed to investigate my statements, let alone made a combat deployment with me... yet you're on here flapping your lips in the wind about the validity of my statements, my character, and about someone that's willing to overlook the childish rants by some people here to see the validity in my comments.

You do realize that you have to advance an actual argument, and actually PROVE someone "wrong" before you spew rhetoric about doing such, do you?


rulemylife Do you honestly believe that there has been widespread chemical warfare in Iraq but the "mainstream media" has conspired to not report it?

WHERE, in MY posts, do I claim that there has been widespread chemical warfare in Iraq?

Provide a link to that post, or accept the fact that you're full of shit when it comes to what's said on this thread. And if you're full of it when it comes to information readily available on this thread, this speaks volumes about you being full of it when you say anything else on this thread.

I said that mustard and sarin agents were used against our troops, facts that even our investigation team verified. I also said that blister agents were used against the Iraqis... using precedence on how the sarin and mustard agents were used, a smart person would've accurately nailed what I was talking about here... blister agents being used against Iraqi Army personnel.

Nowhere in my posts do I say that chemical warfare is/was being waged against the Iraqi civilian population post coalition invasion.


rulemylife Do you honestly believe that insurgents have used blister agents against Iraqi civilians within the past few weeks but we somehow have heard nothing about

And do you honestly believe the crap you're spewing here? At least have the integrity to address what I actually stated, rather something you wished I said just so that you could have something to talk about.

Yes, sarin and mustard agents were used against US troops, and their use was verified not just by the DOD, but by the inspection team the US had in place. Yes, blister agents were used against the Iraqi military, that was verified, photos of the Iraqis affected by these agents don't lie, and these photos verify the fact that they were exposed to chemical agents recently used against them in Iraq.

In all three instances, the Anti Iraqi forces laced rounds, part of a a surface laid IED, with the above agents.

Those are verified facts, and yes, those are things that we could honestly say actually happened, things we could honestly believe in.


rulemylife what would be a major story that every journalist stationed there would be scrambling to cover?

WRONG.

The majority of the journalists oppose the Iraq War, and are guilty of perpetrating... through Journalistic Fraud... a massive deception of what's really going on in Iraq. Consistent with their beliefs, a major story for them would be a story that builds on their biases, one they'd like to project to the American public. Hence the reason to why they're quick to report the negative things that happen, and massive setbacks. They're quick to report the enemy's IED successes, but are notoriously silent when it comes to the hundreds, even thousands, of IEDs neutralized for every one that goes off.

Do you honestly believe that these journalists are willing to give us every news there is for us to see/read? According to the authors of the following books, NO:

Journalistic Fraud
Bias
Arrogance
Treason

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 2:19:52 PM   
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Hey you guys,

I am about to go out for the evening soon....Would you like to ask me any questions about beer before I go?



Does sour ale contain Mustard gas?

I am going to the White Sox game tonight... I know, your jealous!


I have been to "The Cell" it is a shit hole...You must believe me because I have personal first hand experience. I have sat in that dump probably over a dozen times.

The women that go there are also disgusting...By their appearance alone they are virtually committing a treasonous act if you pay attention to any type of fashion sense that has been recently depicted in magazines such as Cosmo.

Believe what you will....I have been there. It sucks, I hope you have a horrible time.

There is no mustard gas in sour ales. If there was I think it would make them even more delicious.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 2:23:41 PM   
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rulemylife: I did refute it and I challenged him to provide proof of his statements

NEGATIVE, you've yet to refute anything I said with a logical, reasoned, argument backed by facts. I have provided facts to what I said here, on other threads on this message board, as well as on other message boards.

As for providing proof for my statement, where's yours? You've given me nothing but rhetoric and biased opinions.

From a Fox News article:

"Two people were treated for "minor exposure" after the sarin incident but no serious injuries were reported. Soldiers transporting the shell for inspection suffered symptoms consistent with low-level chemical exposure, which is what led to the discovery, a U.S. official told Fox News.


"The Iraqi Survey Group confirmed today that a 155-millimeter artillery round containing sarin nerve agent had been found," Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt (search), the chief military spokesman in Iraq, told reporters in Baghdad. "The round had been rigged as an IED (improvised explosive device) which was discovered by a U.S. force convoy."

Further down the article:

"Two weeks ago, U.S. military units discovered mustard gas that was used as part of an IED. Tests conducted by the Iraqi Survey Group (search) -- a U.S. organization searching for weapons of mass destruction -- and others concluded the mustard gas was "stored improperly," which made the gas "ineffective."

Regardless of what you feel about Fox News, it contains facts. The Iraqi Survey Group, verified that those were chemical agents. Whether the mustard gas was stored properly or not is beside the point. It's a chemical agent, which is one of three major types of WMD, which proves the myth, that Iraq had no WMD, wrong.

The recent blister agent laced attack, I saw the reports that I saw.


rulemylife: Haven't seen him on his own thread since.

First, don't ever imply that I'll run from an argument simply because of something that you, or someone else that I've argued with, has said or done in a debate against me. A simple check of the threads I've debated on, on this message board, will indicate that I don't run from a debate... but stay with it until the people I debate with wisen up about their prospects.

Second, I haven't been on any other thread here, so can it with your attempts to pin me as a coward running away from my own thread... "while participating on other threads" here.


rulemylife: According to him there has been active chemical warfare occurring since the start of the invasion.

Show me WHERE, in MY posts, I've stated that there's active chemical warfare occurring in Iraq since the start of the invasion.

Provide a link to that post where I said the exact thing.

Isolated incidents don't constitute active chemical warfare, however they present a factual argument against the misconception that Iraq had "no" WMD.


rulemylife: So if your theory is correct then the liberally-biased mainstream media should have been jumping all over that story to tarnish Bush.

No, his observations on the media are spot on. The criminally biased media has tried to baffle the people with bullshit about Iraq "not" having WMD. Those incidents prove their opinion, of there being "no" WMD, wrong. No, they won't be all over a story that'd vindicate George Bush's argument. However, they'll be all over a story they know they could use in their augments against Bush/Republicans

rulemylife: The yellowcake has been discredited so many times it just amazes me that I'm still hearing it. Do you ever research anything or do you just listen to what you are told by the conservative talking heads? You know the old computer programming saying, garbage in-garbage out?

From your own link:

"The yellowcake removed from Iraq in 2008 was material that had long since been identified, documented, and stored in sealed containers under the supervision of U.N. inspectors."

How could yellowcake have been discredited when your own source, biased as it is, mentioned the fact that yellowcake was removed from Iraq in 2008, as RacerJim stated?

It helps if you research your own sources.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 2:25:12 PM   
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I can not and will not argue the fact that the women at Wrigley Field are superior. Even the ugly women are hot there.

However, the team is a bunch of homos in blue hats. I can not in good conscience, as a patriotic American root for the Cubs.

Plus Mark Burhrle goes tonight, I'll be out by 9:30


"No homos or blue hats were harmed in the making of this post. The term "homo" is used strictly as an insult to the Chicago Cubs and their fans. The Management of this post would like everyone to know he enjoys a good homo as much as the next guy"

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 2:25:32 PM   
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Well that one fucks ya, even the staunchest neo-cons out here have repeatedly said that Fox News is entertainment only, time and time again. 

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 2:27:35 PM   
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Well that one fucks ya, even the staunchest neo-cons out here have repeatedly said that Fox News is entertainment only, time and time again. 



I don't understand that, my dad watches fox at dinner and I am not entertained


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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 2:27:46 PM   
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As a stock holder in Halliburton, Ratheon,Olin Matheson and Winchester Western I would like to take this opportunity to express my heartfelt thanks to you and your comrads in arms for helping with the black ink on the bottom line.

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The above companies would've made money during peace time as they would've during war time.

In terms of Halliburton... the military had a job to do during the invasion. One of the things the military needed was to truck supplies to the troops that were advancing deeper into Iraq. The logistics personnel tried to put contracts up for bidding... many companies failed to accept... they didn't want to accept. A perfect example was the contract for truckers. The other companies didn't want to lose trucks and equipment... but Halliburton stepped forward. Considering that Halliburton was the only one that stepped forward, the logistics personnel awarded them the contract.

The military doesn't see the same argument that you do when it comes to Halliburton, or other contractors out there, providing us with the service support we need for us to do our jobs out there.

By the way, you forgot to mention KBR, as they're providing a large segment of the services that we utilize out there. Perhaps it's time for you to purchase stocks in that company if you haven't done so yet. If they come up to you to solicit your inputs, complain about their abandoning their generators (failing to do maintenance) that are out in the outlaying outposts.


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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 2:34:43 PM   
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Just think, our failure to go into Iraq would have had Iran with a nuclear program, Saddam developing his, North Korea detonating a bomb.  Iran detonating one later and Iraq detonating one much later.  Throw a bunch of radical regimes into the mix. 
Not going into Iraq would have been a long term DISASTER for us. Still accurate, you've consistently failed to prove this "wrong."
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That was one of his old posts, with most all of them very similar in ideological certainty and thoughtlessness.  So, he is slanted heavily in his spin of things (and quite wrong in his acertainment of what was and is to be) whether he is indeed a vet or not. 

Ron


mnottertail: That was one of his old posts, with most all of them very similar in ideological certainty and thoughtlessness. So, he is slanted heavily in his spin of things (and quite wrong in his acertainment of what was and is to be)

I based that statement on my research, which included listening to the words of the very people we're fighting against, and it's still valid.

My projections of what countries will, or won't, do have been accurate. I do that by studying the history, and current events, of the regions we're debating about. Each of the countries I mentioned, with regards to a nuclear program, would've done what I predicted they'd do. All of them to try to tell the west that they're somebody that should be taken seriously, and all of them making a statement to each other. The Iraqis, under Saddam, wouldn't dare let Iran get a strategic upper hand over them. The radicals that wanted to get into the mix? That's a fact, just ask Al-Qaeda, who are still looking to get their hands on WMD.

This isn't spin, but fact based on researching the very people that we deal with... research that involves hearing/reading their own words.

Sitting there, rambling about my assessments being "wrong" without your advancing anything that qualifies as a logical argument against it, speaks volumes about your integrity, and doesn't subsequently make that assessment "wrong."


mnottertail: whether he is indeed a vet or not.

The same thing applies to you. If you doubt my service, I'm willing to bet you that what I say is true.

There are two ways to verify that. If you were in the military, as one of your posts indicates:

"Well, specialist, I don't have much to do with squidlaw, but I gotta tell you, in my glorious Army" - mnottertail

You could ask me questions about the Army... You could PM me your service related questions if you don't want my responses to embarrass you in public... or we could turn to a third party, who I could show my DA 31, LES, ERB, etc to, and destroy your attempts to cast doubt on my claims to being a service member.

If you don't want to do the above, then treat my comment about my service the way you'd expect people to treat your comments about your glorious Army.


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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 2:37:15 PM   
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Well that one fucks ya, even the staunchest neo-cons out here have repeatedly said that Fox News is entertainment only, time and time again. 



I don't understand that, my dad watches fox at dinner and I am not entertained



That is because you do not think puking is entertainment

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 2:39:32 PM   
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nevertheless, I have a question for herfacechair to answer:

Once upon a time you said this:
World War II was a symmetrical war.  The war on terrorism is an ASYMMETRICAL war.  If you try to fight an asymmetrical war with a symmetrical mindset, YOU WILL LOSE.  Our enemy is a network of terrorists and regimes that directly or indirectly support them.  Still accurate, you've consistently failed to prove this "wrong."
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My question, what asymmetrical operations  do you see now, or did you see in times past that the US is exploiting to good advantage, or are we going to lose? (for my part, I have constantly espoused that we do not possess the ku, fu, chi, sui, ka to decisively win this, once and forever).


mnottertail: My question, what asymmetrical operations do you see now, or did you see in times past that the US is exploiting to good advantage, or are we going to lose?

Go back to every thread on this message board containing my posts on asymmetrical warfare. The concepts I talked about then are still very applicable today.

mnottertail: (for my part, I have constantly espoused that we do not possess the ku, fu, chi, sui, ka to decisively win this, once and forever).

This would only be applicable if everybody involved with our will to fight felt the same way you feel right here.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 2:43:21 PM   
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I can not and will not argue the fact that the women at Wrigley Field are superior. Even the ugly women are hot there.

However, the team is a bunch of homos in blue hats.



WRONG!!!

The fans that don the blue hats and the red "C" are just a white strip away from being the fucking flag!!!! Is there anything more American than a Cub's fan, I think not?

I don't know much about yellow cake but they do serve some delicious yellow beveri for your consumption.


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I can not in good conscience, as a patriotic American root for the Cubs.

Plus Mark Burhrle goes tonight, I'll be out by 9:30


You sicken me with your "Good guys wear black" mindset. You are on the verge of partaking in treason against this great land.

While you sit 71 blocks south of Wrigley your heart will pine for the smell of drunken pussy and ivy.

The homos live just a couple of blocks away which means there is some great vegetarian fair as well as many mandal peddlers to frequent.

You can try and refute what I have seen with my own two eyes while being on the ground here in Wrigleyville.

You have never served or been over served. I no longer hold any respect for your opinions.


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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 2:45:39 PM   
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As a stock holder in Halliburton, Ratheon,Olin Matheson and Winchester Western I would like to take this opportunity to express my heartfelt thanks to you and your comrads in arms for helping with the black ink on the bottom line.

Happy stockholder


[color=blueThe above companies would've made money during peace time as they would've during war time.

Funny companies that do the same sort of work but are not in the sand box are eating shit right now.
Are you saying that they are not making more now than they would have if there had been no war?


In terms of Halliburton... the military had a job to do during the invasion. One of the things the military needed was to truck supplies to the troops that were advancing deeper into Iraq. The logistics personnel tried to put contracts up for bidding... many companies failed to accept... they didn't want to accept. A perfect example was the contract for truckers. The other companies didn't want to lose trucks and equipment... but Halliburton stepped forward.

It has been pretty widely reported that Haliburton has a ton of "no bid" contracts.

Considering that Halliburton was the only one that stepped forward, the logistics personnel awarded them the contract.

The military doesn't see the same argument that you do when it comes to Halliburton, or other contractors out there, providing us with the service support we need for us to do our jobs out there.


What are you smoking crack?...I said thank you...I have no argument with you making me money.

By the way, you forgot to mention KBR, as they're providing a large segment of the services that we utilize out there. Perhaps it's time for you to purchase stocks in that company if you haven't done so yet.

There are other issues with KBR...loss carry overs ...it could pose a tax problem so I will just avoid them till things blow over.

If they come up to you to solicit your inputs, complain about their abandoning their generators (failing to do maintenance) that are out in the outlaying outposts.

You have to look at the bigger picture....They are all "floored inventory" so abandoning them is a dollar for dollar write down. Besides it is taxpayers money not mine.




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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 2:46:19 PM   
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Just think, our failure to go into Iraq would have had Iran with a nuclear program,
(uh, they got one, maybe you aint been getting the news, they did that to us too)

North Korea detonating a bomb.
(they have a nuke program and are getting help from the russkies, and they are not light years away from the bomb. again maybe because of the news being censored by the liberal left wing military over there, you haven't heard about any of this)
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NO, what have we done asymmetrically and what asmmetric operations are we performing, nothing in your posts on this thread speak to that.

I am a military guy, I want to know what.




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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 3:01:26 PM   
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I can not and will not argue the fact that the women at Wrigley Field are superior. Even the ugly women are hot there.

However, the team is a bunch of homos in blue hats.



WRONG!!!

The fans that don the blue hats and the red "C" are just a white strip away from being the fucking flag!!!! Is there anything more American than a Cub's fan, I think not?

I don't know much about yellow cake but they do serve some delicious yellow beveri for your consumption.


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I can not in good conscience, as a patriotic American root for the Cubs.

Plus Mark Burhrle goes tonight, I'll be out by 9:30


You sicken me with your "Good guys wear black" mindset. You are on the verge of partaking in treason against this great land.

While you sit 71 blocks south of Wrigley your heart will pine for the smell of drunken pussy and ivy.

The homos live just a couple of blocks away which means there is some great vegetarian fair as well as many mandal peddlers to frequent.

You can try and refute what I have seen with my own two eyes while being on the ground here in Wrigleyville.

You have never served or been over served. I no longer hold any respect for your opinions.




You can not say that simply because I find your view flawed, that I do not support hot bitches at Wrigley Field!

That is hubris and it shall not be tolerated!

One mandal wearing homo Cub fan can not and will not be allowed to speak for all of them!

I shall take pictures tonight of baseball and send them to you. THAT is documentation!

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 3:09:05 PM   
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Mandals arent allowed at Yankee stadium

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 5:18:03 PM   
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domi, does beer make you feel any different than before you drank it? Describe.

This is not about beer but the new blue type with the graphic red and yellow Hayzues is the primary colors, it really pretties up the real estate of your posts! Are you a designer?



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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 6:19:05 PM   
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domi, does beer make you feel any different than before you drank it? Describe.

This is not about beer but the new blue type with the graphic red and yellow Hayzues is the primary colors, it really pretties up the real estate of your posts! Are you a designer?




No he is a foul mouthed prick....don't you read his posts?
I depend on him to help me differentiate between the assholes and those who are just jerks or mental defectives.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 10:48:25 PM   
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domi, does beer make you feel any different than before you drank it? Describe.

This is not about beer but the new blue type with the graphic red and yellow Hayzues is the primary colors, it really pretties up the real estate of your posts! Are you a designer?





No he is a foul mouthed prick....don't you read his posts?
I depend on him to help me differentiate between the assholes and those who are just jerks or mental defectives.





There are foul mouthed prick designers who can be depended on to differientiate between the assholes and those who are just jerks (what is the diff?) Mental defectives are amok, good luck wid dat one.

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